Well Shit, No One Told Me

[Zoom-boing]

Try turning off the "dry" cycle and letting them air dry in the dishwasher. Heaven Forbid people should actually have to resort to the barbaric method of doing dishes by hand.

The dry heat kills bacteria and germs Maggie.

We've been oversold on household bacteria, in my opinion. I own a diswasher that I run once a week; the rest of the time I do up what few dirty dishes I accumulate daily and let them air dry on the countertop, just as I've done for several decades. And I'm still alive, rarely even catching a cold, even.

Intense . . . I never use the dry heat. I run it at night in off-peak hours and let it air dry overnight in the machine. Works just fine.

Maggie . . . Good for you. I've got a household of five and run it daily. I use more energy and water washing by hand than using a dishwasher.

 

[kwc57]

Paper plates and plastic utensils never have to be washed and they are recyclable.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Ravi, Zoom-boing's problem has nothing to do with Phosphates.

Uh, yeah it does. They took it out last summer and the dishes have been coming out of the dishwasher cloudy, not as clean (yes, I rinse them first always have. Shouldn't have to as that's what a dishwasher is for . . . ) and generally crappy.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Agriculture uses it in abundance, without regard to environmental consequence.

Why of course they do. No harm there, is there.

In the meantime, my glasses that used to look like this:

Now look like this:

Bloody freakin' HELL!

After researching I found that you can buy TSP (the real stuff, not the phosphate-free stuff) at the hardware store and just add a bit to your dish washing detergent and things will be as they were.

Enviro-nazis.

You should be happy the little red dots are gone...they were full of lead.

If you were being sarcastic . . . heh.

If not? You do realize they are two different glasses, right? The first one is new and has only been washed by hand. The second one used to look as clear and clean as the first but this is what all of our stuff looks like now, after six months of phosphate-free dishwashing detergent.

I call bullshit on banning it before a fix was found.

 

[kwc57]

Ravi, Zoom-boing's problem has nothing to do with Phosphates.

Uh, yeah it does. They took it out last summer and the dishes have been coming out of the dishwasher cloudy, not as clean (yes, I rinse them first always have. Shouldn't have to as that's what a dishwasher is for . . . ) and generally crappy.

Sounds like hard water and calcium deposits.

 

[dilloduck]

Why of course they do. No harm there, is there.

In the meantime, my glasses that used to look like this:

Now look like this:

Bloody freakin' HELL!

After researching I found that you can buy TSP (the real stuff, not the phosphate-free stuff) at the hardware store and just add a bit to your dish washing detergent and things will be as they were.

Enviro-nazis.

You should be happy the little red dots are gone...they were full of lead.

If you were being sarcastic . . . heh.

If not? You do realize they are two different glasses, right? The first one is new and has only been washed by hand. The second one used to look as clear and clean as the first but this is what all of our stuff looks like now, after six months of phosphate-free dishwashing detergent.

I call bullshit on banning it before a fix was found.

What exactly are you drinking out of your glasses ?

 

[Samson]

So.... Hand washing uses more energy than a dish washer. And my time isn't worth shit to uncle so I won't even bother mentioning that.

Government, putting the cart before the horse . . . again.

You really need to consider having a slave......sure they're expensive, and somewhat difficult to train, but I've found that with enough beatings, by the age of 3 they can wash dishes.

 

[Zoom-boing]

So.... Hand washing uses more energy than a dish washer. And my time isn't worth shit to uncle so I won't even bother mentioning that.

Government, putting the cart before the horse . . . again.

You really need to consider having a slave......sure they're expensive, and somewhat difficult to train, but I've found that with enough beatings, by the age of 3 they can wash dishes.

I was hoping I'd get Alice, the maid from the Brady Bunch, as a gift at some point.

 

[Zoom-boing]

You should be happy the little red dots are gone...they were full of lead.

If you were being sarcastic . . . heh.

If not? You do realize they are two different glasses, right? The first one is new and has only been washed by hand. The second one used to look as clear and clean as the first but this is what all of our stuff looks like now, after six months of phosphate-free dishwashing detergent.

I call bullshit on banning it before a fix was found.

What exactly are you drinking out of your glasses ?

90% of the time water. The other 10% milk or occasionally juice.

They look gross, don't they? They feel gross too.

 

[catzmeow]

Try turning off the "dry" cycle and letting them air dry in the dishwasher. Heaven Forbid people should actually have to resort to the barbaric method of doing dishes by hand.

Doing dishes by hand uses considerably more water and energy than using a dishwasher. I noticed this issue a few months ago, too, and thought I'd need to replace my dishwasher. What I've found is that if I rinse the dishes better AND use double soap, they come out pretty clean.

 

[catzmeow]

You really need to consider having a slave......sure they're expensive, and somewhat difficult to train, but I've found that with enough beatings, by the age of 3 they can wash dishes.

This is what teenagers are for, at my house.

 

[Ravi]

Why of course they do. No harm there, is there.

In the meantime, my glasses that used to look like this:

Now look like this:

Bloody freakin' HELL!

After researching I found that you can buy TSP (the real stuff, not the phosphate-free stuff) at the hardware store and just add a bit to your dish washing detergent and things will be as they were.

Enviro-nazis.

You should be happy the little red dots are gone...they were full of lead.

If you were being sarcastic . . . heh.

If not? You do realize they are two different glasses, right? The first one is new and has only been washed by hand. The second one used to look as clear and clean as the first but this is what all of our stuff looks like now, after six months of phosphate-free dishwashing detergent.

I call bullshit on banning it before a fix was found.

Well...the hippies have been complaining about phosphates in detergent since the beginning of time and obviously the detergent companies didn't care since it required a mandate for them to do something about it.

Sorry for your extra work, but I do think clean water is vastly more important.

But you do make a good point about fertilizers used in agribusiness...

 

[Samson]

Try turning off the "dry" cycle and letting them air dry in the dishwasher. Heaven Forbid people should actually have to resort to the barbaric method of doing dishes by hand.

Doing dishes by hand uses considerably more water and energy than using a dishwasher. I noticed this issue a few months ago, too, and thought I'd need to replace my dishwasher. What I've found is that if I rinse the dishes better AND use double soap, they come out pretty clean.

Two words:

PAPER PLATES.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Ravi, Zoom-boing's problem has nothing to do with Phosphates.

Uh, yeah it does. They took it out last summer and the dishes have been coming out of the dishwasher cloudy, not as clean (yes, I rinse them first always have. Shouldn't have to as that's what a dishwasher is for . . . ) and generally crappy.

Sounds like hard water and calcium deposits.

Well, I've talked to others and they are also experiencing it, my parents glasses look worse than ours, and I've lived in this area for 23 years and ONLY in the past six months has this happened . . .since they took out phosphates from the dishwashing detergent.


Dishwashers Serving Up Cloudy Glasses | NBC Washington

 

[MaggieMae]

Agriculture uses it in abundance, without regard to environmental consequence.

Why of course they do. No harm there, is there.

In the meantime, my glasses that used to look like this:

Now look like this:

Bloody freakin' HELL!

After researching I found that you can buy TSP (the real stuff, not the phosphate-free stuff) at the hardware store and just add a bit to your dish washing detergent and things will be as they were.

Enviro-nazis.

You should be happy the little red dots are gone...they were full of lead.

Living in an area where there's an annual infestation of ladybugs, if I had picked up that glass, it would have crashed to the floor in horror! (No offense intended, Zoom.)

 

[MaggieMae]

Ravi, Zoom-boing's problem has nothing to do with Phosphates.

Huh?

 

[Samson]

Ravi, Zoom-boing's problem has nothing to do with Phosphates.

Huh?

Another one that went over your head.......

Are you ever fully conscious?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Some suggestions I've come across:

If you have hard water use Lemi-Shine.

Use vinegar and/or lemon juice in the rinse dispenser, rather than a rinse agent.

Add some liquid bleach in with your dish soap.

Go to the hardware and pick up a box of TSP (uh, make sure it really has phosphates in it and isn't phosphate-free) and add a few tspns to your detergent. I did this last night but didn't add very much because I have no clue how much to add. The glasses felt better this morning and one or two looked a little better, but our glasses (the window panes ones in the pic I posted) are not smooth on the inside, they're 'window paned' (the design) so I think it's going to take a bit before I fix this on them. I'm going to try soaking them in half vinegar and half hot water to see if I can get rid of the majority of the film, and continue to add TSP into the dishwasher.

They give some suggestions in the video too.

I'll try other brands of dishwashing soap as well (thanks for the suggestions) but if the dishes and glasses continue to remain filmy and cloudy, I'll continue to add TSP until they come up with a real fix.


Anyone know if bleach, vinegar, lemon juice will harm the mechanisms of a dishwasher?

 

[MaggieMae]

So six months or so ago I forgot to fill up the rinse agent dispenser in the dishwasher. It was empty for about a week when I realized it. Things weren't getting as clean but the glasses in particular looked like crap. A white coating of something on them that hand washing wasn't removing. I've been making sure that damn little dispenser thingy has been topped up full for the past six months and guess what? The dishes still look and feel like crap. So I thought that maybe the dishwasher was breaking and I started looking stuff up online.

My dishwasher is just peachy but the greenies have done it again, as uncle has banned phosphate in dish detergents. Well color me in the dark on this one. Phosphate was the main cleaning ingredient in dish washing soap. They banned it from laundry detergents back in the 90's. I always thought it was my machine putting little holes in the clothes. Think again.

Now I'm all for keeping pollution down to as little impact on the environment as possible. BUT . . . why did they ban it when there is no substitute for it? I'm now using more energy and water to clean my dishes because now things will have to be wash and/or rewashed in vinegar/hot water/dish soap to try and get the film off. Hand washing uses more energy than a dish washer. And my time isn't worth shit to uncle so I won't even bother mentioning that.

Government, putting the cart before the horse . . . again.

I'm sure if I read through this thread, someone will have already told you that only certain states ban phosphates (and for good reason). You may miss the phosphates in your laundry or dishwasher cycles, but what if you had no clean water? Which would you miss the most?

States Ban Phosphate-Laden Dishwasher Soap- Appliance.Net - home and kitchen appliances - news reviews ratings recalls authorized repairs store locator

All 50 states have taken it out of dishwashing detergent.

So the water that drains and go back to the treatment plant, gets treated, nearly all of the water comes out the other end clean, but they ban it.

Agriculture uses it in fertilizer . . . is it banned there? No. Does it go through any treatment after they use it? No. Does it leech through the ground into lakes/streams, etc. ? Yep.

That they want to keep the small amount that may remain after treatment out of water ways is terrific. But they banned it before any good, usable fix was found. Typical.

Probably the reason it's still okay to use in fertilizer is because by the time the food product reaches the market for consumption, it's gone through so many other processes the phosphate is gone. Who knows?

There are certain things I never put in the dishwasher anyway, because experience has told me the harsh washing and drying process damages certain materials--like wood and certain plastics. The old adage here applies: When in doubt... don't.

I just don't see this as being a serious problem in any event. Frustrating? Sure, but life is full of daily frustrations.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Why of course they do. No harm there, is there.

In the meantime, my glasses that used to look like this:

Now look like this:

Bloody freakin' HELL!

After researching I found that you can buy TSP (the real stuff, not the phosphate-free stuff) at the hardware store and just add a bit to your dish washing detergent and things will be as they were.

Enviro-nazis.

You should be happy the little red dots are gone...they were full of lead.

Living in an area where there's an annual infestation of ladybugs, if I had picked up that glass, it would have crashed to the floor in horror! (No offense intended, Zoom.)

I got those glasses on clearance at Target. I figured the design was the center of the Target bullseye. lol