Well, Now It’s Out In The Open….

[postman]

There are a large number who entered the country legally, but didn't leave when their VISA expired. They committed no crime, but are still labeled "illegal aliens"

Yes, overstaying your visa is also illegal. And they are aliens.

Visa overstay is NOT a crime.

Overstaying a visa in the United States is generally not a criminal offense, but a civil violation with potential immigration consequences. While it doesn't lead to criminal charges like jail time, it can result in being barred from re-entering the U.S. for a period of time, depending on the length of the overstay

 

[postman]

Yes, that definitely makes the crimes of illegal aliens less serious.

DURR

It means if you want to really crack down on those crimes, you'll need to start deporting American citizens.

 

[postman]

What you wrote is just too stupid for words.

AI Overview

No, the U.S. Constitution is not based on socialism. It is fundamentally a framework for a limited government with a focus on individual liberties and a free market economy. While the Constitution doesn't explicitly endorse laissez-faire capitalism, it doesn't promote socialist principles like social ownership of the means of production or centralized economic planning either.

Here's why:

• Protection of private property and contracts:
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  The Constitution, through the Bill of Rights, explicitly protects private property rights and the freedom to enter into contracts. This contrasts with socialism's emphasis on social or collective ownership of resources.
  
  
• Limited government:
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  The Constitution establishes a system of checks and balances designed to limit the power of the government and protect individual liberties. Socialism, in its various forms, often involves a more centralized and interventionist state.
  
  
• Emphasis on individual liberty:
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  The Bill of Rights guarantees fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech, religion, and the press, which are not central tenets of socialist ideology.
  
  
• "Democratic process" for policy decisions:
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  The Constitution allows for a democratic process where citizens can decide on economic and social policies, including those related to taxation, welfare, and regulation. However, this process is not inherently socialist and allows for a range of policy choices.
  
  
• Federalism:
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  The Constitution's structure of federalism, with power divided between the federal and state governments, also works against the centralization required for socialist economic planning.
  

While some aspects of the Constitution, such as the power to tax and spend, could be used to implement some social welfare programs, this doesn't transform the overall document into a socialist one. The Constitution's core principles align more closely with classical liberalism and individual liberties than with socialist ideals.

Mixed economies combine elements of both capitalism and socialism, balancing private enterprise and market forces with government intervention. In these systems, government regulation plays a vital role in areas like:
Protecting consumers and workers by enforcing labor laws, ensuring product safety, and preventing exploitation.
Maintaining fair competition by addressing issues like monopolies and false advertising.
Safeguarding the environment by regulating pollution and promoting sustainable practices.
Providing a social safety net and public goods and services like healthcare and education.
Stabilizing the economy through fiscal and monetary policies.
Therefore, while extensive government control over major industries is a hallmark of more socialist-leaning economies, the presence of some government regulation of business is not exclusively a socialist concept. It exists to varying degrees in many economies, including capitalist ones, to address societal needs and challenges.

 

[Foxfyre]

Visa overstay is NOT a crime.

Overstaying a visa in the United States is generally not a criminal offense, but a civil violation with potential immigration consequences. While it doesn't lead to criminal charges like jail time, it can result in being barred from re-entering the U.S. for a period of time, depending on the length of the overstay

Really splitting hairs to say it is not a crime. Overstaying a visa creates an 'unlawful presence' subject to severe penalties and deportation. So how can one be intellectually honest and say breaking immigration law is not a crime? It may be a different kind of crime and treated differently from criminal acts, but it is still a crime.

Is Overstaying a Visa a Criminal Offense?

Learn the critical legal distinction between a civil visa overstay and a criminal act, and understand the significant administrative consequences that can result.

legalclarity.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It means if you want to really crack down on those crimes, you'll need to start deporting American citizens.

Let's deport all the illegal aliens first, then we can see if your idea makes sense.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Side note: The vast majority of people driving without a license, or on a suspended or revoked license. As well as driving without insurance....

Are US citizens.

There are over 50 million illegal aliens in this country due to the Socialist Party, the one you vote for.


We, citizens, are paying for them to vote Democrat.


“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



“The conservative Heritage Foundation estimated unlawful immigrant households paid $39.2 billion in 2010, but received $93.7 billion in government services.” -- Oliver Darcy
Of course it is far greater today.

It is re-distribution of wealth from earners to Democrat voters.



“The Federation for American Immigration Reform Monday put the five-year price tag at $8.8 billion in federal and state costs, or nearly $80,000 per refugee. There are some 18 federal and state programs refugees can tap for financial help, including food stamps, child care, public housing and school loans.

On a yearly average, it is $1.8 billion, or $15,900 per refugee. Included in that are enormous refugee resettlement costs such as $867 million in welfare, housing assistance and education.

… 50 percent of refugees remain on Medicaid for five years.

The Fiscal Cost of Resettling Refugees in the United States

• The cost per refugee to American taxpayers just under $79,600 every year in the first five years after a refugee is resettled in the U.S.
• In 2016, the State Department spent nearly $545 million to process and resettle refugees, including $140,389,177 on transportation costs.
• Of the $1.8 billion in resettlement costs, $867 billion was spent on welfare alone.
• In their first five years, approximately 54 percent of all refugees will hold jobs that pay less than $11 an hour.
• $71 million will be spent to educate refugees and asylum-seekers, a majority of which will be paid by state and local governments.
• Over five years, an estimated 15.7 percent of all refugees will need housing assistance, which is roughly $7,600 per household in 2014 dollars.

Refugee costs: $8.8 billion, $80,000 per immigrant, free welfare, Medicaid - Washington Examiner

 

[PoliticalChic]

Mixed economies combine elements of both capitalism and socialism, balancing private enterprise and market forces with government intervention. In these systems, government regulation plays a vital role in areas like:
Protecting consumers and workers by enforcing labor laws, ensuring product safety, and preventing exploitation.
Maintaining fair competition by addressing issues like monopolies and false advertising.
Safeguarding the environment by regulating pollution and promoting sustainable practices.
Providing a social safety net and public goods and services like healthcare and education.
Stabilizing the economy through fiscal and monetary policies.
Therefore, while extensive government control over major industries is a hallmark of more socialist-leaning economies, the presence of some government regulation of business is not exclusively a socialist concept. It exists to varying degrees in many economies, including capitalist ones, to address societal needs and challenges.

This is the poster child for government schooling.


Oklahoma has the right idea:


Teaching Profession

Want to Teach in Oklahoma? You May Have to Prove You’re Not ‘Woke’​

Want to Teach in Oklahoma? You May Have to Prove You're Not 'Woke'

The state is partnering with PragerU to develop an assessment for incoming educators.

www.edweek.org

 

[postman]

Really splitting hairs to say it is not a crime. Overstaying a visa creates an 'unlawful presence' subject to severe penalties and deportation. So how can one be intellectually honest and say breaking immigration law is not a crime? It may be a different kind of crime and treated differently from criminal acts, but it is still a crime.

Is Overstaying a Visa a Criminal Offense?

Learn the critical legal distinction between a civil visa overstay and a criminal act, and understand the significant administrative consequences that can result.

legalclarity.org

As I said, visa overstay is nota crime.
Just like illegal parking isn't a crime

These are acts that invoke civil penalties, some very severe. But you don't acquire a criminal record in the process.

 

[postman]

Let's deport all the illegal aliens first, then we can see if your idea makes sense.

How about deporting all the illegal aliens that actually committed a crime first.
Instead Trump is wasting 70-90% of his resources on aliens who didn't commit crimes.

Does that make you feel safer knowing hairdressers and roofers have been deported, while ignoring the murderers and rapists, in order to pad his numbers.

 

[Foxfyre]

As I said, visa overstay is nota crime.
Just like illegal parking isn't a crime

These are acts that invoke civil penalties, some very severe. But you don't acquire a criminal record in the process.

Again splitting hairs with semantics. If illegal parking was not a crime there would be no penalty for it. There are different kinds of crimes. Some are criminal. Some are civil. Some go on your permanent record. Some do not. Overstaying your visa can stay on a permanent record for three to ten years.

I read recently that there is legislation in the works that overstaying a Visa will be a criminal offense. Biden and the Democrats nixed that in 2023. A GOP Congress and President Trump probably will go for that. I hope they do.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How about deporting all the illegal aliens that actually committed a crime first.
Instead Trump is wasting 70-90% of his resources on aliens who didn't commit crimes.

Does that make you feel safer knowing hairdressers and roofers have been deported, while ignoring the murderers and rapists, in order to pad his numbers.

Exactly, so all of the illegal aliens should be deported.

Anytime they interact at all with the government they should be deported.
Deporting them immediately, instead of giving them a court date, years in the
future, will save resources.

Does that make you feel safer knowing hairdressers and roofers have been deported

Yes, making it clear that we will no longer tolerate illegal immigration makes me feel safer.

while ignoring the murderers and rapists, in order to pad his numbers.

Murderers and rapists are not being ignored under Trump, which is a nice change from the Biden administration's massive failures.

 

[Midnight FM]

Don't forget one of the fundamental "American values" the country was founded on was SLAVERY.

You can't erase that part of our history, like you can Epstein's client list.

Slavery wasn't a "value", it was simply something which existed long before America.

 

[Midnight FM]

Are you a govenment school grad?


I just love being correct.

The reality is that most people, Republican and Democrat, spend some time in "government school".

So this just sounds like a cop-out to avoid admitting how misinformed you are.

You really don't belong in this country.


I bet you hear that a lot.

Your opinion is irrelevant. In a free society, there is no requirement under the law that anyone hold a specific set of beliefs and values. In America, a person can be a communist, a fascist, or anything they want to be, and there's nothing anyone can do about it, since that would require denying people their Constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech and whatnot.

And your own beliefs and values seem to be primarily coming from misinformation rather than anything authentically "American", whatever that means.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Visa overstay is NOT a crime.

Overstaying a visa in the United States is generally not a criminal offense, but a civil violation with potential immigration consequences. While it doesn't lead to criminal charges like jail time, it can result in being barred from re-entering the U.S. for a period of time, depending on the length of the overstay

I won't say it is or it isn't, I don't know enough about it to say. But I will say that overstaying your visa is violating the agreement you made with the government when you came here.

This doesn't go very far in engendering trust.

 

[80zephyr]

AI Overview

Yes, foreign nationals in the U.S. who remain for more than 30 days and fail to register with the government are committing a crime. This is a violation of the Alien Registration Act of 1940, which requires certain non-citizens to register with USCIS. Failure to register is a misdemeanor, potentially leading to fines, imprisonment, or deportation

 

[PoliticalChic]

As I said, visa overstay is nota crime.
Just like illegal parking isn't a crime

These are acts that invoke civil penalties, some very severe. But you don't acquire a criminal record in the process.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The reality is that most people, Republican and Democrat, spend some time in "government school".

So this just sounds like a cop-out to avoid admitting how misinformed you are.


Your opinion is irrelevant. In a free society, there is no requirement under the law that anyone hold a specific set of beliefs and values. In America, a person can be a communist, a fascist, or anything they want to be, and there's nothing anyone can do about it, since that would require denying people their Constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech and whatnot.

And your own beliefs and values seem to be primarily coming from misinformation rather than anything authentically "American", whatever that means.

I believe that I already proved that you are "misinformed."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Visa overstay is NOT a crime.

Overstaying a visa in the United States is generally not a criminal offense, but a civil violation with potential immigration consequences. While it doesn't lead to criminal charges like jail time, it can result in being barred from re-entering the U.S. for a period of time, depending on the length of the overstay

AI Overview

"Illegal" means forbidden by law or not authorized by law. It describes actions, activities, or things that violate the law, statutes, or official rules. This can include criminal acts like theft or assault, but also actions that violate public policy or civil obligations, according to the LII | Legal Information Institute.





Looks like you're on the batting side of a no-hitter..

 

[Robert W]

The constitution gives government great powers, such as regulating interstate commerce and building post roads.

That effectively means they can regulate business (means of production) in the united states. (see Wickard V Filburn)

The constitution only limits government to those things it didn't clearly enumerate such as regulation of interstate commerce.

Read it closely. Among several states.

The most broad-ranging power of the federal government has become the Commerce Clause. This part of Article I, Section 8 allows Congress “to regulate commerce with foreign nations and among the several states,” known as interstate commerce.

 

[Ringo]

The idea that BRICS is a united front fighting against a rising fascist regime is a serious distortion of reality. BRICS is not a cohesive ideological alliance. It’s an economic bloc composed of countries with vastly different, and often competing interests. China and India, for example, are frequently at odds both geopolitically and militarily.