Weisselberg Indicted

[colfax_m]

Another lie. You had no problem with Barry and holder ignoring subpoenas left and right. With actual claims of being above the law. Vance has nothing. Except another stain on his record. You calling anybody ignorant is just hilarious.

Show me the subpoena that Obama ignored from a grand jury in a criminal matter.

This should be good.

 

[Nostra]

not at all what was said, people here were saying if he didn't pay his taxes, he should be fined and pay them. You're totally confused.

You should read the thread before making this comment.

Tax fraud is a crime. Jail time is definitely warranted for those who commit it.

Even Al Sharpton? This is a complete 180 for you.

Congrats!

 

[lantern2814]

Still gotta get the name Trump in there even if he had no idea what was going on

So your excuse is that Trump didn't know his own company was committing felonies. So you are going with "he is an oblivious moron with poor leadership ability and is a poor judge of character". Okay.

Yep, no matter what is said Trump has to be wrong, evil, criminal, stupid, and kicks puppies.

You've gone from doublethink to quintuplethink.

Come on, dont sissy out now, after all your bigmouth talk.

Who was okaying checks out of Trump's personal account to pay for Weisselberg's grandchildren's tuition?

You read the indictment and figure it out.

And there's the tap out.

Yes you did tap out. As you always do when your shit gets called out.

 

[colfax_m]

nobody is alternating reality about the trumped up case against Weisseberg

Are you sure? Some of the Trump faithful here have been trying to say that Weisselberg’s apartment in Manhattan was necessary temporary housing. You know, temporary as in 15 years.

Others have been pretending like the case is just car payments.

Others are pretending that tax fraud isn’t criminal.

that’s certainly an argument his accountants would make with the govt auditors in a normal proceeding…but this of course is a witch hunt and unprecedented move…so certainly one his attorneys will be using at trial…and rhe Govt burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it wasn’t

certainly seems reasonable the business would want him to have an apartment in town closer to the office to use so he could be readily available instead of communiting all the time from his home in the suburbs

Maybe in a normal proceedings the accountants would have sat down with auditors.

Trump’s organization refused to allow that to happen.

If he wanted to play hardball, he’ll get hardball. Just don’t complain when the prosecutors don’t cut you any slack.

well yeah...of course...but we didn't have that here....Vance in an unprecedented move indicted him for a crime...never before has that happened for this sort of thing.

And he's been cooperating with Vance and the Grand Jury since 2018.

The "hardball" is because Vance didn't hear what he wanted to hear.

You actually think they’ve been cooperating with Vance? Seriously?

The CFO appeared as back as 2018.

They have where they felt they had to, and fought on issues where they thought he was going to far. Which is there right, and on some issues they apparently were, like trumps personal tax returns, which they have and found zippy to charge him with and his CFO wouldn’t say what they wanted so they took this unprecedented move

He was subpoenaed, was he not?

Kinda hard to claim you’re cooperating when all you did was comply with a minimum legal obligation.

They did not cooperate. They took Vance to the Supreme Court to get the tax returns for the organization. They refused to let anyone sit down voluntarily. They refused to turn over any information unless compelled.

They didn’t cooperate. Saying otherwise is defying reality.

They fully cooperated when they felt it was justified and fought on issues they didn’t believe was.

The CFO has been meeting with Vance and the GJ since 2018 and the propagandist were running headlines then saying he was flipping and trump was doomed. Then earlier this year the stories were recycled…and now, after he has the “missing piece” trump tax returns and the CFO isn’t saying what Vance wants…we have these unprecedented charges and nothing on Trump.

Face it, you were had

So they "fully cooperated" except when they didn't.

You know that's doublespeak right?

The headlines you're thinking of are Weisselberg meeting with federal prosecutors with regard to Cohen.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Still gotta get the name Trump in there even if he had no idea what was going on

So your excuse is that Trump didn't know his own company was committing felonies. So you are going with "he is an oblivious moron with poor leadership ability and is a poor judge of character". Okay.

Yep, no matter what is said Trump has to be wrong, evil, criminal, stupid, and kicks puppies.

You've gone from doublethink to quintuplethink.

Come on, dont sissy out now, after all your bigmouth talk.

Who was okaying checks out of Trump's personal account to pay for Weisselberg's grandchildren's tuition?

You read the indictment and figure it out.

And there's the tap out.

Yes you did tap out. As you always do when your shit gets called out.

Man you are whiny.

 

[Nostra]

nobody is alternating reality about the trumped up case against Weisseberg

Are you sure? Some of the Trump faithful here have been trying to say that Weisselberg’s apartment in Manhattan was necessary temporary housing. You know, temporary as in 15 years.

Others have been pretending like the case is just car payments.

Others are pretending that tax fraud isn’t criminal.

that’s certainly an argument his accountants would make with the govt auditors in a normal proceeding…but this of course is a witch hunt and unprecedented move…so certainly one his attorneys will be using at trial…and rhe Govt burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it wasn’t

certainly seems reasonable the business would want him to have an apartment in town closer to the office to use so he could be readily available instead of communiting all the time from his home in the suburbs

Maybe in a normal proceedings the accountants would have sat down with auditors.

Trump’s organization refused to allow that to happen.

If he wanted to play hardball, he’ll get hardball. Just don’t complain when the prosecutors don’t cut you any slack.

Trump org refused to sit down with IRS auditors? Link?

 

[lantern2814]

Another lie. You had no problem with Barry and holder ignoring subpoenas left and right. With actual claims of being above the law. Vance has nothing. Except another stain on his record. You calling anybody ignorant is just hilarious.

Show me the subpoena that Obama ignored from a grand jury in a criminal matter.

This should be good.

You have already been shown the links where the court ruled Obama thought he was above the law. No way moving the goalposts and trying to run. Fast and Furious resulted in the death of a border agent. Criminal matter that Obozo and holder got nailed on. Then a patently illegal claim of executive privilege.

 

[lantern2814]

Still gotta get the name Trump in there even if he had no idea what was going on

So your excuse is that Trump didn't know his own company was committing felonies. So you are going with "he is an oblivious moron with poor leadership ability and is a poor judge of character". Okay.

Yep, no matter what is said Trump has to be wrong, evil, criminal, stupid, and kicks puppies.

You've gone from doublethink to quintuplethink.

Come on, dont sissy out now, after all your bigmouth talk.

Who was okaying checks out of Trump's personal account to pay for Weisselberg's grandchildren's tuition?

You read the indictment and figure it out.

And there's the tap out.

Yes you did tap out. As you always do when your shit gets called out.

Man you are whiny.

And flaming fart taps out again.

 

[colfax_m]

You have already been shown the links where the court ruled Obama thought he was above the law.

None of those links have anything to do with Obama refusing to comply with a subpoena from a criminal proceding.

Because that never happened.

That's not moving the goalposts, that's STAYING ON TOPIC.

 

[lantern2814]

nobody is alternating reality about the trumped up case against Weisseberg

Are you sure? Some of the Trump faithful here have been trying to say that Weisselberg’s apartment in Manhattan was necessary temporary housing. You know, temporary as in 15 years.

Others have been pretending like the case is just car payments.

Others are pretending that tax fraud isn’t criminal.

that’s certainly an argument his accountants would make with the govt auditors in a normal proceeding…but this of course is a witch hunt and unprecedented move…so certainly one his attorneys will be using at trial…and rhe Govt burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it wasn’t

certainly seems reasonable the business would want him to have an apartment in town closer to the office to use so he could be readily available instead of communiting all the time from his home in the suburbs

Maybe in a normal proceedings the accountants would have sat down with auditors.

Trump’s organization refused to allow that to happen.

If he wanted to play hardball, he’ll get hardball. Just don’t complain when the prosecutors don’t cut you any slack.

well yeah...of course...but we didn't have that here....Vance in an unprecedented move indicted him for a crime...never before has that happened for this sort of thing.

And he's been cooperating with Vance and the Grand Jury since 2018.

The "hardball" is because Vance didn't hear what he wanted to hear.

You actually think they’ve been cooperating with Vance? Seriously?

The CFO appeared as back as 2018.

They have where they felt they had to, and fought on issues where they thought he was going to far. Which is there right, and on some issues they apparently were, like trumps personal tax returns, which they have and found zippy to charge him with and his CFO wouldn’t say what they wanted so they took this unprecedented move

He was subpoenaed, was he not?

Kinda hard to claim you’re cooperating when all you did was comply with a minimum legal obligation.

They did not cooperate. They took Vance to the Supreme Court to get the tax returns for the organization. They refused to let anyone sit down voluntarily. They refused to turn over any information unless compelled.

They didn’t cooperate. Saying otherwise is defying reality.

You just said they did what they were legally required to do. Then cried they didn’t do everything Vance wanted. So now you contradict yourself in your own post. So in your words they did in fact cooperate.

 

[lantern2814]

You have already been shown the links where the court ruled Obama thought he was above the law.

None of those links have anything to do with Obama refusing to comply with a subpoena from a criminal proceding.

Because that never happened.

That's not moving the goalposts, that's STAYING ON TOPIC.

You haven’t been able to stay on topic this whole thread. Keep whining. Next deflection attempt /lie.....

 

[colfax_m]

You just said they did what they were legally required to do. Then cried they didn’t do everything Vance wanted. So now you contradict yourself in your own post. So in your words they did in fact cooperate.

To catch you up, the other poster said that usually the accountants would just sit down with the auditors and hammer out the details.

Know why that didn't happen? Because Trump's organization refused to let anyone sit down with the investigators. They had to go to a grand jury to compel testimony and documents.

Trump made it hard on them. That means they're not going to get leniency. Maybe if they had sat down with the investigators, amended their taxes and admitted fault, they would have gotten a fine and a civil penalty. Since they chose not to do so, they'll get criminal prosecution.

That's their choice. Now they'll deal with those consequences.

 

[colfax_m]

You haven’t been able to stay on topic this whole thread. Keep whining. Next deflection attempt /lie.....

Still waiting for that subpoena from a grand jury that Obama refused to comply with.

If not, you're the one deflecting.

 

[jc456]

they said he doesn't need to go to jail. you should actually read.

No they didn’t.

yep.

Post a link.

1353

There’s nothing in that post that has anything to do with what you claimed. Quote the text.

Sure it does, you’re blind or ignorant

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

they said he doesn't need to go to jail. you should actually read.

No they didn’t.

yep.

Post a link.

1353

There’s nothing in that post that has anything to do with what you claimed. Quote the text.

Sure it does, you’re blind or ignorant

9 whole syllables! That's quite an accomplishment for you.

 

[jc456]

not at all what was said, people here were saying if he didn't pay his taxes, he should be fined and pay them. You're totally confused.

You should read the thread before making this comment.

Tax fraud is a crime. Jail time is definitely warranted for those who commit it.

Goes for Al Sharpton to?

 

[colfax_m]

Sure it does, you’re blind or ignorant

Then quote the text that does so.

 

[jc456]

they said he doesn't need to go to jail. you should actually read.

No they didn’t.

yep.

Post a link.

1353

There’s nothing in that post that has anything to do with what you claimed. Quote the text.

Sure it does, you’re blind or ignorant

9 whole syllables! That's quite an accomplishment for you.

Those are words!

 

[jc456]

Sure it does, you’re blind or ignorant

Then quote the text that does so.

Post #1353,

.Vance in an unprecedented move indicted him for a crime...never before has that happened for this sort of thing

 

[lantern2814]

You just said they did what they were legally required to do. Then cried they didn’t do everything Vance wanted. So now you contradict yourself in your own post. So in your words they did in fact cooperate.

To catch you up, the other poster said that usually the accountants would just sit down with the auditors and hammer out the details.

Know why that didn't happen? Because Trump's organization refused to let anyone sit down with the investigators. They had to go to a grand jury to compel testimony and documents.

Trump made it hard on them. That means they're not going to get leniency. Maybe if they had sat down with the investigators, amended their taxes and admitted fault, they would have gotten a fine and a civil penalty. Since they chose not to do so, they'll get criminal prosecution.

That's their choice. Now they'll deal with those consequences.

Your quote. They did what was minimally required. Which is all they are entitled to do. Leniency? They don’t have to worry about that. Vance has to prove his case. And explain why he is criminally prosecuting something that has never been criminally prosecuted. Let’s be clear here and I’ll try to make it simple for you. Vance has no right to things he was asking for. And they used their LEGAL rights to contest that. No matter how much you whine this is a political prosecution.