Wealth of Five Richest Men Doubles Since 2020

[Winco]

Specifically how?

For example, if Tesla release a fantastic new car and it's shares shoot up because of this, Musk's wealth on paper has increased, say by, $2bn. So how would you tax that? The money is where? So say a new Tesla model flumped, shares drop, his wealth drops $2bn, do you give tax back?

So I'm interested in how, "Tax the fuck out of them", is gonna work in the real world?

Millionaires and billionaires are there because people buy their goods and services. If you're against such people, research which companies they have and avoid using those businesses.

I don't boycott companies or products like the WOKE on the right.
You fuckstains are the biggest snowflakes in existence .

Dear Lord, How many products are you boycotting and for what reason?

 

[Captain Caveman]

I don't boycott companies or products like the WOKE on the right.
You fuckstains are the biggest snowflakes in existence .

Dear Lord, How many products are you boycotting and for what reason?

If you're angry at people becoming rich because they developed a product/service that sold well, then why increase their wealth by buying their product/service?

So ok, you don't mind enriching them, so please detail your tax system to 'tax the fuck out of them'. The stage is yours.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Referendums in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia.

"To date only three referendums have been held which have covered the whole of the United Kingdom. The following is a description of each of the three national referendums."

When has the US held a similar referendum?

If tens of millions of US voters decide to make their House and Senate picks from third-party candidates, dozens (at least) of incumbents from the US Congress will be FLUSHED in a single news cycle.

That will send a message to the rich parasites who believe they own this country they haven't heard in at least a century.

https://digital.library.sc.edu/blog...nstitution-the-rise-of-populism-in-the-1890s/

The US as a whole hasn't had referendums. Doesn't mean it couldn't. However that doesn't mean that the referenda aren't legally binding in any way, except the AV referendum, which they made a law introducing AV voting, then made another law getting rid of it after the referendum was rejected.

People won't vote third party. The FPTP manipulates people into a way of thinking. They'd just be thinking you're trying to get them to support the party they hate the most.

 

[georgephillip]

The problem is that under republicans most people were getting better off…it wasn’t until xiden and the demafasict that a record number of Americans are worse off

Where's your evidence for the claim most Americans were doing better under the billionaire Trump?

"The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which was introduced on November 2 in the House of Representatives, would raise taxes on some Americans and cut taxes on others while also providing significant savings to foreign investors.

"Of those tax cuts that would benefit Americans, nearly a third would go to the richest one percent in 2018, and by 2027 that fraction would rise to nearly half."

Analysis of the House Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

 

[georgephillip]

Uber wealthynpeople don't know anything about governing.

They know how to buy politicians.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Yes, prior to switching parties and deciding to hoax the GOP, Donald Trump mostly donated to Democrats, too.

Because he lived in NYC

 

[DBA]

As I have said many times, if someone invents a better mousetrap, they deserve all the wealth they earn from the world beating a path to their door.

But if they then bribe our politicians to give them an unfair tax and regulatory advantage, that is simply wrong.

And that is precisely what the wealthy have done. They have legislatively tilted the playing field in their favor, at the cost of the rest of us.

Yes, they have and they do and most of them are ultra-liberal because they know that is the way to ultimate power for the elites.(globalism) Useful idiot peons vote for their candidates as they throw crumbs out along the way.

 

[struth]

Where's your evidence for the claim most Americans were doing better under the billionaire Trump?

"The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which was introduced on November 2 in the House of Representatives, would raise taxes on some Americans and cut taxes on others while also providing significant savings to foreign investors.

"Of those tax cuts that would benefit Americans, nearly a third would go to the richest one percent in 2018, and by 2027 that fraction would rise to nearly half."

Analysis of the House Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

Yes, the tax cuts under Trump helped Americans....we were all better off under his admin then today.

Only 14% of US voters say Joe Biden has made them better off​

Only 14% of US voters say Joe Biden has made them better off

FT-Michigan Ross poll underlines president’s struggle to overcome impact of inflation on voters’ economic outlook

www.ft.com

Only 14 per cent of American voters believe they are better off financially now than when Joe Biden took office, in the latest sign that the president’s economic record could undermine his re-election prospects.A poll found that almost 70 per cent of voters thought Biden’s economic policies had either hurt the US economy or had no impact, including 33 per cent who said they believed the president’s policies had “hurt the economy a lot”. Only 26 per cent said his policies had helped.

 

[initforme]

If the deep state exists it has every last billionaire on the deep state side. Every last one.

 

[georgephillip]

Good government is hard to find

But when it works as intended it does some good

However when civil servants screw up bad government can be a curse

The private sector is vital to American prosperity and libs are foolish to treat it as the enemy

Why are you blaming civil servants for the corruption of government produced by private wealth?

The private sector, especially when operating within a (finance) capitalist economy, is only concerned with enhancing private wealth and power which inevitably produces more corruption and inequality.

This phenomenon has deep historical roots:
JANUARY 23, 2024

The Historical Roots of Israel’s Purge and Purify Strategy​

"In the 16th century, the Catholic Church claimed to be the one true form of Christianity.

"Centered in Rome, it had ideologically created a largely unified Europe—in accordance with the belief that for a state to be stable, the citizens must follow the same religion (or ideology).

"And indeed, the Catholic Church was organized like a state, owned about one-third of the land of central and Western Europe, collected taxes throughout this area, and had grown exceedingly rich.

"The Church bureaucracy, empowered and well-to-do, claimed to represent God’s will on Earth and they usually had sufficient authority to enforce that claim.

"However, as is so common in history, wealth and power led to corruption."

 

[LeftofLeft]

Yes, prior to switching parties and deciding to hoax the GOP, Donald Trump mostly donated to Democrats, too.

That was when the Democrats had no problem with Trump or cashing his checks.

 

[georgephillip]

Even more true

Corruption is the natural result of humanity

Everything humans do becomes corrupted by other humans

If it's true the existence of the state indicates a society divided into economic classes and the ruling class requires force to assert its claims to rule over all other classes, the majority of humanity in that society are destined for exploitation and oppression under its current economic activity.

Minimalizing humanity's inherent capacity for corruption requires ending capitalism before it ends humanity.

Corruption: Part and parcel of the capitalist system - Freedom Socialist Party

"When Karl Marx, the political theorist of working-class liberation, studied the nature of the capitalist state, he revealed that it was established as an instrument for the domination of workers and the oppressed by means of laws, courts, judges, elected officials and the military.

"According to Marx, different groups of capitalists fight among themselves for control of the state apparatus and consider it booty to be plundered after winning that battle.

"'The state…,' he wrote, 'is truly a sphere for the fomentation of the most scandalous acts of corruption, of all the scandals of the bourgeoisie, and the arena for its total putrefaction.'"

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Tax the FUCK out of them.

Lets just confiscate all their money with that $869 billion the Government could almost pay for one year of entitlement programs.

 

[georgephillip]

The US as a whole hasn't had referendums. Doesn't mean it couldn't. However that doesn't mean that the referenda aren't legally binding in any way, except the AV referendum, which they made a law introducing AV voting, then made another law getting rid of it after the referendum was rejected.

People won't vote third party. The FPTP manipulates people into a way of thinking. They'd just be thinking you're trying to get them to support the party they hate the most.

The US Constitution does not provide for national referendums.
US states may have provisions for statewide referendums or initiatives where voters can directly participate in decision making on certain issues within that state.

ChatGPT 3.5

 

[Blues Man]

If it's true the existence of the state indicates a society divided into economic classes and the ruling class requires force to assert its claims to rule over all other classes, the majority of humanity in that society are destined for exploitation and oppression under its current economic activity.

Minimalizing humanity's inherent capacity for corruption requires ending capitalism before it ends humanity.

Corruption: Part and parcel of the capitalist system - Freedom Socialist Party

"When Karl Marx, the political theorist of working-class liberation, studied the nature of the capitalist state, he revealed that it was established as an instrument for the domination of workers and the oppressed by means of laws, courts, judges, elected officials and the military.

"According to Marx, different groups of capitalists fight among themselves for control of the state apparatus and consider it booty to be plundered after winning that battle.

"'The state…,' he wrote, 'is truly a sphere for the fomentation of the most scandalous acts of corruption, of all the scandals of the bourgeoisie, and the arena for its total putrefaction.'"

So you think socialism or communism are not corrupt or cannot be corrupted?

Naive you are

 

[georgephillip]

People won't vote third party. The FPTP manipulates people into a way of thinking. They'd just be thinking you're trying to get them to support the party they hate the most.

The Internet holds the potential to change million of voters' opinions about the efficacy of voting for third party candidates.

In '92 Ross Perot won almost 19% of the popular vote for POTUS. If a similar number of third-party ballots were distributed across 435 congressional districts and one-third of Senate incumbents running for reelection, a number of Republicans and Democratic incumbents would be FLUSHED from DC in a single news cycle.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The US Constitution does not provide for national referendums.
US states may have provisions for statewide referendums or initiatives where voters can directly participate in decision making on certain issues within that state.

ChatGPT 3.5

Nor does the UK constitution.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Internet holds the potential to change million of voters' opinions about the efficacy of voting for third party candidates.

In '92 Ross Perot won almost 19% of the popular vote for POTUS. If a similar number of third-party ballots were distributed across 435 congressional districts and one-third of Senate incumbents running for reelection, a number of Republicans and Democratic incumbents would be FLUSHED from DC in a single news cycle.

And people learned from Ross Perot. So they don't vote third party any more.

 

[Mac-7]

Why are you blaming civil servants for the corruption of government produced by private wealth?

Because government is corrupt in communist countries also

Capitalism just gives the pinhead civil servants more wealth to mismanage than they could dream of in a lib workers paradise

 

[georgephillip]

So you think socialism or communism are not corrupt or cannot be corrupted?

Naive you are
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There are almost countless variations of socialism.
This is the one I prefer, and it has never been tried in an economy as powerful as the US:

About Co-ops

"A co-op is a business that is owned and self-managed by its members with the principle of 'one person, one vote.'

"There is no boss, CEO, or Board of Directors who can make decisions by themselves and for their own personal benefit.

"Co-ops are people-centered, and are driven to create sustainable enterprises and long-term stability for all involved in them.

"The values that form the base of any cooperative are self-help, self-responsibility, democracy, equality, equity, and solidarity.

"The management structures and day-to-day operations are designed according to the needs and desires of the co-op members and can vary greatly."