We won the Iran war! Trump's repetitive statements without an actual win occurring!

[Luckyone]

Do you really not grasp that the US is second only to Israel as the Iranian regime's principle target for elimination? That the reason they want a nuclear weapon is so they can use it against Israel and then against us? They haven't hidden that goal. They literally have chanted it in the the streets of Iran for over four decades!

By the way and for your knowledge. An American who makes $50,000 income per year is having to dish out an additional $2,000 per year because of the Iran war. This figure includes the increase cost of gasoline, food and other costs due to the higher prices caused by the war, plus the increased price to your tax bill.

Is paying 4% of your income something you feel good about, in order to stop Iran from having the capacity (not necessarily doing it) to build a nuclear bomb with which to attack Israel with?

 

[Meister]

You did not answer my question. How much are YOU willing to spend our of your own pocket to make that happen

 

[Meister]

By the way and for your knowledge. An American who makes $50,000 income per year is having to dish out an additional $2,000 per year because of the Iran war. This figure includes the increase cost of gasoline, food and other costs due to the higher prices caused by the war, plus the increased price to your tax bill.

Is paying 4% of your income something you feel good about, in order to stop Iran from having the capacity (not necessarily doing it) to build a nuclear bomb with which to attack Israel with?

Talking about your imaginary never ending war?

 

[Luckyone]

Talking about your imaginary never ending war?

Imaginary war? "no" but never ending is yet to be decided. Reality is that it has gone on for 11 weeks.

Having addressed your post, when are you going to answer the question I asked you?

Never? Probably, given that all you are doing is orating and not debating. This is a debate board and not a stage for a comic, didn't you know that?

 

[Luckyone]

Meister

Fake news on the costs of the war that I gave?

Check out this OP I just put up with links to the data, statistics and facts of the war on Americans

How much more money is coming out of your pocketbook because of Trump? With links to the info attached! !!

 

[j-mac]

Since the war began over 13 weeks ago, Trump has claimed progress 32 times and over 12 times he has claimed a win and an end to the war, and yet here we are 3 months later and NOTHING has been resolved (no win and no peace agreement).

A timeline of Trump's shifting statements about how long the Iran war will last​

U.S. and Iran representatives are expected to meet this week in Pakistan to discuss an end to the war. Since the U.S. and Israel launched the strikes against Iran Feb. 28, President Donald Trump has made contradictory statements about the timeline to end the war. He has repeatedly declared victory and then later threatened Iran.

AI Overview

President Donald Trump has declared victory over Iran at least 12 times since the conflict began in early 2026, with some estimates running even higher. These triumphalist claims have been made repeatedly, even as the war continues and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed. [1, 2, 3, 4]
These victory declarations include the following highlights:

• March 2026: Trump declared that the U.S. had won, stating on different days that the "war is complete" and won "in the first hour." [1, 2]
• April 2026: Following a ceasefire agreement, Trump told the press he had achieved a "total and complete victory", a phrase echoed by the Pentagon. [1]
• May and June 2026: Trump has repeatedly claimed that Iran's military is entirely decimated, recently telling the press that a theoretical victory is achieved but extending the ongoing conflict as negotiations progre

At what point can it be said that Trump is a blowhard, a cackler, and a fake braggadocio?

When do the people that support him wake up and say "enough"?

They have

No Navy
No Air Force
No Air defenses
Few missles
Few drones
Can’t pay their Army
And
No capability to enrich uranium

What would you think we need to declare victory?

 

[Meister]

Imaginary war? "no" but never ending is yet to be decided. Reality is that it has gone on for 11 weeks.

Having addressed your post, when are you going to answer the question I asked you?

Never? Probably, given that all you are doing is orating and not debating. This is a debate board and not a stage for a comic, didn't you know that?

imaginary never ending war, is what I posted. Try and focus with what I posted.
11 weeks is not considered a never ending war.

 

[Luckyone]

imaginary never ending war, is what I posted. Try and focus with what I posted.
11 weeks is not considered a never ending war.

Why should I focus on what you said when you never focus on data, statistics and facts I post.

In addition, you never answer the questions I post. You do know that communication and interest in communicating needs to be mutual on both sides, don't you? Why are you not doing that?

The way I see it, the only interest you have is being heard. You must be a very lonely man with no wife or friends interested in being around you.

at least I have a wife that is willing to sacrifice herself for me because of the love and respect she has for me. You have no one like that around you, do you?

Pic below is of my wife sleeping in an uncomfortable chair at the hospital for 3 straight days when they amputated a toe and a toe finger on my left foot.

 

[Montrovant]

If that’s the case, why hasn’t the Strait of Hormuz returned to normal shipping?

 

[Man With A Plan]

You did not answer my question. How much are YOU willing to spend our of your own pocket to make that happen

If the small amount it's cost me in gas for the last 3 months brings peace to the Middle East then I'm more than willing to pay it. The question SHOULD be...why aren't you?

 

[Man With A Plan]

That depends on what he does and what he says, and when those are happening, etc. Also, keep in mind, what a president says has a lot more weight that other people, and that goes further with this president, who likes to use social media to make official/policy announcements.
And so far, where Iran is concerned, I haven't been happy with what Trump has done, so of course it isn't outweighing my displeasure with what he says.

You're not happy with what Trump has done in Iran? Is it how he conducted 3 months of a military campaign against one of the most dangerous nations in the Middle East with almost no loss of American military personnel? Is it how he turned Iran's threat to close the Straight of Hormuz...that they've blackmailed the rest of the world with for the past forty years...around with his blockade that now has them begging for a deal?

 

[Man With A Plan]

By the way and for your knowledge. An American who makes $50,000 income per year is having to dish out an additional $2,000 per year because of the Iran war. This figure includes the increase cost of gasoline, food and other costs due to the higher prices caused by the war, plus the increased price to your tax bill.

Is paying 4% of your income something you feel good about, in order to stop Iran from having the capacity (not necessarily doing it) to build a nuclear bomb with which to attack Israel with?

We paid far more than that under Biden, Lucky and got nothing for it!
I'm curious...do you think having another $2,000 is going to help you if Iran drops a nuke on your head? Duh?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Of course the Democrats are on the side of the Ayatollahs
The Ayatollahs hate America almost as much as the Democrats do.

Ah, the simplistic "if you're on our side, you're a patriot, if you disagree with us, you're a traitor".

 

[frigidweirdo]

We paid far more than that under Biden, Lucky and got nothing for it!
I'm curious...do you think having another $2,000 is going to help you if Iran drops a nuke on your head? Duh?

Would Iran drop a nuke on the US? Probably not. The reason for getting a nuke, for North Korea (which hasn't dropped one on the US yet) and Iran is to stop countries like the US from invading them.

Pakistan is much worse than Iran, they're crazy, they have nukes, and haven't nuked India yet either.

It's a scare tactic. The US wants to be able to control Iran because it has oil, so it doesn't want them to get nukes, so it tells everyone that Iran would nuke the US.

 

[Luckyone]

We paid far more than that under Biden, Lucky and got nothing for it!
I'm curious...do you think having another $2,000 is going to help you if Iran drops a nuke on your head? Duh?

That is the thing you do not understand. Iran does NOT the ability to drop nukes in the U.S. and will not get the ability to do so for DECADES, if ever. They can’t even reach Europe. That is why I asked the question, given that no American in the U.S. are in any risk, but we are paying money out of our pockets because Trump said so

 

[Luckyone]

If the small amount it's cost me in gas for the last 3 months brings peace to the Middle East then I'm more than willing to pay it. The question SHOULD be...why aren't you?

Because stopping Iran is not of benefit to me or to other Americans in the U.S.

 

[MarathonMike]

Since the war began over 13 weeks ago, Trump has claimed progress 32 times and over 12 times he has claimed a win and an end to the war, and yet here we are 3 months later and NOTHING has been resolved (no win and no peace agreement).

A timeline of Trump's shifting statements about how long the Iran war will last​

U.S. and Iran representatives are expected to meet this week in Pakistan to discuss an end to the war. Since the U.S. and Israel launched the strikes against Iran Feb. 28, President Donald Trump has made contradictory statements about the timeline to end the war. He has repeatedly declared victory and then later threatened Iran.

AI Overview

President Donald Trump has declared victory over Iran at least 12 times since the conflict began in early 2026, with some estimates running even higher. These triumphalist claims have been made repeatedly, even as the war continues and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed. [1, 2, 3, 4]
These victory declarations include the following highlights:

• March 2026: Trump declared that the U.S. had won, stating on different days that the "war is complete" and won "in the first hour." [1, 2]
• April 2026: Following a ceasefire agreement, Trump told the press he had achieved a "total and complete victory", a phrase echoed by the Pentagon. [1]
• May and June 2026: Trump has repeatedly claimed that Iran's military is entirely decimated, recently telling the press that a theoretical victory is achieved but extending the ongoing conflict as negotiations progre

At what point can it be said that Trump is a blowhard, a cackler, and a fake braggadocio?

When do the people that support him wake up and say "enough"?

Banker is the classic Trump Hater. In his fantasy world, everything was wonderful under Obama and everything is going wrong under Trump. You will notice he is constantly whining about what Trump SAYS and ignores what he DOES.

 

[Montrovant]

You're not happy with what Trump has done in Iran? Is it how he conducted 3 months of a military campaign against one of the most dangerous nations in the Middle East with almost no loss of American military personnel? Is it how he turned Iran's threat to close the Straight of Hormuz...that they've blackmailed the rest of the world with for the past forty years...around with his blockade that now has them begging for a deal?

What has the military campaign accomplished? I don’t mean rhetoric, I mean what tangible changes have occurred that benefit the US or our allies? The Iranian regime is awful, but they are also still in charge of Iran. I hope this conflict leads to positive change with that country, but as of now it’s only hope.
Iran’s “threat” to close the Strait? As I recall they DID close the strait, at least to some extent, before the US decided to create its own blockade of a waterway that was already largely closed to maritime shipping. While that might have added Iran to the list of countries unable to ship through the Strait, it also still leaves close to 20% of the world’s oil supply stuck (although at least some oil has reportedly been able to get through recently).
As to Iran ‘begging for a deal’, I don’t know what makes you think that is the case. Trump has been claiming we’re close to a deal almost from the beginning of this war, yet none has materialized.
So we’re well past the 60 day mark that law requires a president to get Congressional approval for military action, with the threadbare excuse that the ceasefire (during which fire has emphatically NOT ceased) somehow pauses or resets that timeframe. There are dead American soldiers and billions of dollars of material have been used/expended. The world supply of oil has been limited, leading to material shortages, higher prices, and all the things that go along with oil shortages. Other than Israel (and even with them there has been tension) the US has strained relations with our allies; most of those nations are opposed to the Iranian regime or, at least, not friendly with them, so thankfully I think this may not be a major issue, but overall I would say the war (because of how it has been done) has had a negative impact on international relations.
There’s also the allegations of polymarket insider trading based on the war.
And what about the first time we struck Iran and supposedly obliterated their ability to make nukes? Was that all lies, and if so, why would anyone trust the same administration when making claims about the same subject?

All that said, if the administration can get a deal out of this which is a lot better than the previous one from the Obama administration, maybe this will seem to have been worthwhile. I am not holding my breath, but I’ll keep my fingers crossed, because as poorly as I think this whole thing has been handled, I don’t want the ending to go as poorly.

 

[Man With A Plan]

What has the military campaign accomplished? I don’t mean rhetoric, I mean what tangible changes have occurred that benefit the US or our allies? The Iranian regime is awful, but they are also still in charge of Iran. I hope this conflict leads to positive change with that country, but as of now it’s only hope.
Iran’s “threat” to close the Strait? As I recall they DID close the strait, at least to some extent, before the US decided to create its own blockade of a waterway that was already largely closed to maritime shipping. While that might have added Iran to the list of countries unable to ship through the Strait, it also still leaves close to 20% of the world’s oil supply stuck (although at least some oil has reportedly been able to get through recently).
As to Iran ‘begging for a deal’, I don’t know what makes you think that is the case. Trump has been claiming we’re close to a deal almost from the beginning of this war, yet none has materialized.
So we’re well past the 60 day mark that law requires a president to get Congressional approval for military action, with the threadbare excuse that the ceasefire (during which fire has emphatically NOT ceased) somehow pauses or resets that timeframe. There are dead American soldiers and billions of dollars of material have been used/expended. The world supply of oil has been limited, leading to material shortages, higher prices, and all the things that go along with oil shortages. Other than Israel (and even with them there has been tension) the US has strained relations with our allies; most of those nations are opposed to the Iranian regime or, at least, not friendly with them, so thankfully I think this may not be a major issue, but overall I would say the war (because of how it has been done) has had a negative impact on international relations.
There’s also the allegations of polymarket insider trading based on the war.
And what about the first time we struck Iran and supposedly obliterated their ability to make nukes? Was that all lies, and if so, why would anyone trust the same administration when making claims about the same subject?

All that said, if the administration can get a deal out of this which is a lot better than the previous one from the Obama administration, maybe this will seem to have been worthwhile. I am not holding my breath, but I’ll keep my fingers crossed, because as poorly as I think this whole thing has been handled, I don’t want the ending to go as poorly.

Better than the Obama deal? Are you serious? We gave them pallets of cash and lifted sanctions and they gave us a promise that they wouldn't continue their nuclear program which they immediately reneged on! The Obama deal sucked! Don't know how else to put it! It was a deal put together by naive people who thought if they were nice to Iran then Iran would be nice to us!

I think we both agree that what most of the world would like to see is regime change in Iran. I also think we both agree that putting boots on the ground in Iran to accomplish that would be foolhardy. Iran doesn't have a navy...they don't have an airforce. What they do have is an army. A large one. I think Trump has played this beautifully so far. We're not losing American lives. We're not bogged down like Russia in Ukraine. We control the airspace over Iran. We control the water around Iran. The blockade was a stroke of genius. If Iran can't sell it's oil it can't sustain the IRGC. They're running out of money. If the IRGC won't show up and slaughter protesters then this regime will fall. The people remember the 30,000 protesters that the IRGC murdered a few months ago. If there isn't an armed force doing that the people of Iran WILL take to the streets just like when the Shah was overthrown!

 

[Man With A Plan]

That is the thing you do not understand. Iran does NOT the ability to drop nukes in the U.S. and will not get the ability to do so for DECADES, if ever. They can’t even reach Europe. That is why I asked the question, given that no American in the U.S. are in any risk, but we are paying money out of our pockets because Trump said so

They launched two missiles at Diego Garcia which is 2,500 miles from Iran. That brings parts of Europe into range. They just successfully used a two stage rocket to put a satellite into orbit. That same technology is what you need for an intercontinental missile. That type of missile brings most of Europe into range. You would think that Europe would want this regime eliminated way more than us but most of Europe is now led by far left idiots that have let so many muslims into their countries that they'd petrified that if they take up arms against Iran that they'll have uprisings at home!