Centinel
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I did say it is an international treaty. Or an interstate treaty. Nation. State. What's the difference? International law refers to relations between sovereign states. If you don't like the word international, then you can substitute interstate. Either way, I don't see much difference.
I'm not denying that a state is the agent of it's people.
There is definitely denying your nonsensical pseudo-legal horseshit that any individual person can 'secede' themselves and their property from the State they live in. And individual person has never had that authority.
You imagined it. Or are you going to try and deny saying this too?
You asked me a specific theoretical question and I gave you my opinion. None of which has to do with the constitution.
I was asking you about the consistent application of your own conception of the 'principal-agent' relationship. And your conception just shattered to pieces when we applied it consistently. As an individual person has never had the authority you imagine.
If your conception of the principal-agent relationship were valid, it would work both in the principal agent relation of the people to the State.....and the principal agent relation of the Several States to the Federal government.
But it doesn't. It breaks utterly and irrevocably when applied to reality.
There's a reason why your conceptions exist entirely inside your head. And not in our laws, our court rulings, our history, our constitution, or among the Founders.......who explicitly contradict you.
Okay, but the constitution was still established between the states.
With the States merely being agents of the people. With the people creating the constitution. And the states. And the federal government. All of these are agents of the people.
We can run this loop as often as you'd like.
I'm not sure how any of what you just said refutes my statement that the constitution was established between the states. I don't think you have refuted it at all, as a matter of fact.
When have I claimed to have 'refuted' you? I'm simply stating facts that you completely agree with. If you feel these facts are a 'refutation' of your claims, that's your business.
The constitution was created by the people through their agents the States.
Good. I'm glad that you affirm my original statement that the constitution was established between the states. In that case, I can see no disagreement on the subject.