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[The T]

United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Let's consider the Sen. minority leader Mitch McConnell actions and comport them with the vision of our founders in several respects:

1. Has he worked toward making our nation a more perfect union, or has he worked to divide us?

2. He has worked to blocked all nominations by the President to fill the open seats of the judiciary.

3. Has his language in hoping the President of the United States twice elected by the people fails insured tranquility?

We might ask the same question of Speaker Boehner.

4. Has his efforts to derail the PPACA protected our citizens from disease?

5, Does he work to promote the General Welfare of all of us citizens, or is he focused only on those who 'donate' to the Republican Party?

6. As for liberty, what has he done to protect the freedom and liberty of anyone, except of course for those who own guns.

1. He has done neither. But then, neither has any Democrat OR the President.

2. Not Applicable to your premise.

3. Yes. The Presidents agenda is dictatorial and promotes the tyranny of government. The rule of law is paramount in our society.

4. Not applicable to your premise, but speaks to number 3. The President has violated law and the rule of law for political power. Antithetical to your premise.

5. Applicable to every elected Representative in office right now. He is no worse or better than any of them; who are not working for the interest of the people.

6. Not applicable. Protecting the liberty of the people is a mechanism of limited government. None of the elected officials currently in office practice that.

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[WelfareQueen]

United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Let's consider the Sen. minority leader Mitch McConnell actions and comport them with the vision of our founders in several respects:

1. Has he worked toward making our nation a more perfect union, or has he worked to divide us?

2. He has worked to blocked all nominations by the President to fill the open seats of the judiciary.

3. Has his language in hoping the President of the United States twice elected by the people fails insured tranquility?

We might ask the same question of Speaker Boehner.

4. Has his efforts to derail the PPACA protected our citizens from disease?

5, Does he work to promote the General Welfare of all of us citizens, or is he focused only on those who 'donate' to the Republican Party?

6. As for liberty, what has he done to protect the freedom and liberty of anyone, except of course for those who own guns.

If you mentioned Harry Reid in the same post you might have an argument. Otherwise, it's just more partisan bullshit.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

"we won" -- Obama working toward a more perfect union

"Elections have consequences" Obama on domestic tranquility

"They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.” Oct 25, 2010

But the best is "we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America"

NSA Spying

IRS Harrassment

Frank, it's harassment and that dog couldn't hunt.

The NSA has been spying for a long time, even under your Messiah Ronald Reagan.

Elections do have consequences - sadly the anti-democratic forces (McConnell, Boehner, reactionaries like yourself and the rest of the echo chamber) don't believe in democracy.

So, instead of going on the offensive, with a very weak game plan, defend McConnell and Boehner. Of course if you're any kind of a radical, you know what I posted was spot on and don't support those two self serving jerks.

Again, you are wrong. That NSA dog is in the hunt and leading the charge.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank, it's harassment and that dog couldn't hunt.

The NSA has been spying for a long time, even under your Messiah Ronald Reagan.

Elections do have consequences - sadly the anti-democratic forces (McConnell, Boehner, reactionaries like yourself and the rest of the echo chamber) don't believe in democracy.

So, instead of going on the offensive, with a very weak game plan, defend McConnell and Boehner. Of course if you're any kind of a radical, you know what I posted was spot on and don't support those two self serving jerks.

Obama came out guns blazing "Talk to the hand" when he was first inaugurated. Now you complain? Obama has been dishing it out fron Day One and it's a shame you guys are so frail and thin-skinned you can't take it in return

Until Obama, the NSA wasn't spying on US Citizens and Congressmen

I wonder how many times I'm going to have to shout "Patriot Act" in a room full of brain-dead idiots?

Patriot Act =/= NSA spying on citizens and Congressmen

You;d think with all that Intel the government would have been on the Boston Bombers, especially after Vlad Putin dropped a dime on them

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Exert from Time Magazine, Nov 10, 1975:

"The National Security Agency is like the Jorge Luis Borges fable of the infinite library in which all of the planet's knowledge and information reside, maddeningly encoded. Into the NSA's heavily guarded, three-story headquarters outside Washington every week the world's secrets flow from U.S. spy ships, surveillance planes, satellites and hundreds of electronic listening posts round the globe. Unlike the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies, the NSA's mission is strictly communications—electronics and cryptology. It is the ultimate bug, the source of most of the nation's foreign intelligence information and, like the CIA, a source of growing controversy.

"Compared with the NSA, the CIA is as open as a New Hampshire town meeting. The NSA welcomes its confusion with NASA and the National Security Council. It is the one federal agency that claims—and gets—total exemption from the Freedom of Information Act. When Harry Truman started the NSA under the Defense Department's authority in 1952, only a handful of people even knew of his order."

Well, it seems Frank's Messiah, Ronald Reagan, didn't open up the NSA to the public; and President Obama simply inherited the NSA as he did the Great Bush Recession (notwithstanding the Ministry of Truth and their 'reporters' revision of history).

Reagan wasn't President in 1975 and I didn't see anywhere mentioned the NSA Spying on US Citizens as Obama's done.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Never fails....propagandists using the Constitution as a phony and/or artificial jumping off point.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Obama came out guns blazing "Talk to the hand" when he was first inaugurated. Now you complain? Obama has been dishing it out fron Day One and it's a shame you guys are so frail and thin-skinned you can't take it in return

Until Obama, the NSA wasn't spying on US Citizens and Congressmen

I wonder how many times I'm going to have to shout "Patriot Act" in a room full of brain-dead idiots?

Either way, justifying bad behavior with someone else's bad behavior doesn't fly with me. It's blatantly partisan, and is worthless discussion.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama came out guns blazing "Talk to the hand" when he was first inaugurated. Now you complain? Obama has been dishing it out fron Day One and it's a shame you guys are so frail and thin-skinned you can't take it in return

Until Obama, the NSA wasn't spying on US Citizens and Congressmen

I wonder how many times I'm going to have to shout "Patriot Act" in a room full of brain-dead idiots?

Too many are simply brain washed (Frank only needed a lite rinse) and willfully ignorant.

ironic

 

[bripat9643]

Exert from Time Magazine, Nov 10, 1975:

"The National Security Agency is like the Jorge Luis Borges fable of the infinite library in which all of the planet's knowledge and information reside, maddeningly encoded. Into the NSA's heavily guarded, three-story headquarters outside Washington every week the world's secrets flow from U.S. spy ships, surveillance planes, satellites and hundreds of electronic listening posts round the globe. Unlike the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies, the NSA's mission is strictly communications—electronics and cryptology. It is the ultimate bug, the source of most of the nation's foreign intelligence information and, like the CIA, a source of growing controversy.

"Compared with the NSA, the CIA is as open as a New Hampshire town meeting. The NSA welcomes its confusion with NASA and the National Security Council. It is the one federal agency that claims—and gets—total exemption from the Freedom of Information Act. When Harry Truman started the NSA under the Defense Department's authority in 1952, only a handful of people even knew of his order."

Well, it seems Frank's Messiah, Ronald Reagan, didn't open up the NSA to the public; and President Obama simply inherited the NSA as he did the Great Bush Recession (notwithstanding the Ministry of Truth and their 'reporters' revision of history).

Prove the NSA was tracking everyone's phone calls before the Obama administration, or shut up. The fact that it existed prior to that doesn't prove a damn thing.

 

[bripat9643]

I wonder how many times I'm going to have to shout "Patriot Act" in a room full of brain-dead idiots?

Too many are simply brain washed (Frank only needed a lite rinse) and willfully ignorant.

ironic

Yes, I noticed the irony as well.

I always howl whenever libturds accuse anyone of being brainwashed or a tool.

 

[Meister]

Obama didn't even meet Congressional Republican Leadership for the first 18 months and then he called us "the enemy"

"us" Why are you a Republican? Do you have a reason (logical reason!)?

Known as a deflection

 

[Avorysuds]

I have sort of mixed feelings about using the phrase I am about to use, considering I truly hate most pop culture vernacular of all shades, but here goes-

Thread Fail.

There, that didn't hurt as much as I worried, but still I feel a little icky and juvenile.

Hyper partisan thread started by a hyper partisan OP... Gee, I wonder how it will go...

Dems have the Senate and the Presidency, the Republicans have the House... If you find yourself not liking thing the way they are maybe you should consider that even when Dems had all off Congress and Presidential powers on their side.... They still couldn't pass policy that helped the country.

So what the fuck is the point in arguing people vote Democrat? You guys are not even happy with what you got.

At least Republicans had the balls to reject Bush, you guys are mindless drones... And as we all know, Obama loves his drones.

 

[Contumacious]

United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Let's consider the Sen. minority leader Mitch McConnell actions and comport them with the vision of our founders in several respects:

Mitch McConnel is a member of the Repiblican Party Surrender Caucus , so I don't see why are you are concerned about him.

1. Has he worked toward making our nation a more perfect union, or has he worked to divide us?

No,

2. He has worked to blocked all nominations by the President to fill the open seats of the judiciary.

Well, one always hope that state supremacists, socialists and fascists are kept away from the the judiciary.

3. Has his language in hoping the President of the United States twice elected by the people fails insured tranquility?

Knowing that socialism is a failed system which will NOT insured domestic tranquility is not a vice.

4. Has his efforts to derail the PPACA protected our citizens from disease?

Preventing Obama from further ruining healthcare is a great thing.

 

[Kosh]

I see that the far left has gone into Obama worshipping mode again.

 

[aaronleland]

Prove the NSA was tracking everyone's phone calls before the Obama administration, or shut up. The fact that it existed prior to that doesn't prove a damn thing.

PRISM began in 2007, under the Bush Administration. Now prove that a Mitt Romney wouldn't have taken advantage of the program George W. Bush had already put in place.

 

[Kosh]

Prove the NSA was tracking everyone's phone calls before the Obama administration, or shut up. The fact that it existed prior to that doesn't prove a damn thing.

PRISM began in 2007, under the Bush Administration. Now prove that a Mitt Romney wouldn't have taken advantage of the program George W. Bush had already put in place.

Echelon was started by Clinton, now prove that the far left cares about your privacy.

FDR started many things and was Hoover on steroids.

How far do we want to go back?

 

[TemplarKormac]

United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Let's consider the Sen. minority leader Mitch McConnell actions and comport them with the vision of our founders in several respects:

1. Has he worked toward making our nation a more perfect union, or has he worked to divide us?

2. He has worked to blocked all nominations by the President to fill the open seats of the judiciary.

3. Has his language in hoping the President of the United States twice elected by the people fails insured tranquility?

We might ask the same question of Speaker Boehner.

4. Has his efforts to derail the PPACA protected our citizens from disease?

5, Does he work to promote the General Welfare of all of us citizens, or is he focused only on those who 'donate' to the Republican Party?

6. As for liberty, what has he done to protect the freedom and liberty of anyone, except of course for those who own guns.

1. No, but neither has Obama. For 18 months he sat there and stonewalled the Republicans on Jobs legislation, proceeding to ram a disastrous healthcare overhaul and a costly failed stimulus plan down their throats.

2. Did he invoke the Nuclear Option? Or did the Democrats simply shoot themselves in the foot when and if the Republicans take back both houses of Congress?

3. Does he need to wish him to fail? No, simply because Obama has failed on his own volition.

As for your questions for Boehner:

4. What are you talking about? The PPACA is the disease. When you strip 6 million people of their insurance, are YOU "protecting them from disease"? Besides, the PPACA has done more to derail itself than Boehner has.

5. I could ask the same of Obama. He has spent more time campaigning than leading, and by doing as mentioned in No. 4, he hasn't done anything to "promote the general welfare" of anyone.

6. These questions are increasingly snide and utterly preposterous. Does passing gun control laws promote liberty? Does dictating to people their healthcare choices promote liberty? Does spying on and intimidating people with different political views promote liberty? So far, Obama isn't even hitting above the Mendoza Line where liberty is concerned.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Prove the NSA was tracking everyone's phone calls before the Obama administration, or shut up. The fact that it existed prior to that doesn't prove a damn thing.

PRISM began in 2007, under the Bush Administration. Now prove that a Mitt Romney wouldn't have taken advantage of the program George W. Bush had already put in place.

Prove that Obama would have repealed it. Oh wait. He didn't. Therefore anyone who takes advantage of it like he already has, is as guilty as Bush is for enacting it. Anyone. Also, Clinton was was responsible for enacting the Echelon Project, which trolled U.S. telecommunications looking for trouble. As of now, the Echelon Project is currently still on the books, and may well have acted as the springboard for PRISM.

On December 16, 1997, the European Commission released a report indicating that the Clinton Administration had embarked on a massive billion dollar effort to craft a global spy network which also targeted European citizens, stating: "Within Europe all email telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency transferring all target information from the European mainland via the strategic hub of London then by satellite to Fort Meade in Maryland via the crucial hub at Menwith Hill" in Yorkshire. The report confirms for the first time the existence of a the secretive Echelon system.."

1.2.1. The first STOA report of 1997

A report which STOA commissioned from the Omega Foundation for the European Parliament in 1997 on ‘An Appraisal of Technologies of Political Control’ described ECHELON in a chapter concerning ‘national and international communications interception networks’. The author claimed that all e-mail, telephone and fax communications in Europe were routinely intercepted by the US National Security Agency. As a result of this report, the alleged existence of a comprehensive global interception system called ECHELON was brought to the attention of people throughout Europe

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http://cryptome.org/echelon-ep-fin.htm

 

[TemplarKormac]

Using your overly biased logic, Wry, I'll ask you few questions:

Concerning Obama's oath of Office:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

1. Has Obama faithfully executed the office for which he holds?

2. Has Obama preserved the context of the Constitution?

3. Has Obama protected the meaning and intent of the Constitution?

4. Has Obama defended the Constitution?

Now, as for the actual Constitution (We'll stick to the pertinent Amendments here):

Amendment I:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

5. Has the Obama Administration supported any laws respecting an establishment of religion?

6. Has the Obama Administration done anything which prohibited free exercise of religion in America?

7. Has the Obama Administration done anything to infringe on free speech in America?

Amendment II:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

8. Has the Obama Administration done anything which infringed on the right of the people to keep and bear arms?

Amendment IV:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

9. Has the Obama Administration protected the right of the people to be secure in their person, house, papers and effects?

10. Did the NSA under orders from the Obama Administration knowingly take advantage of and exploit PRISM, thereby conducting unreasonable seizures of the cell phone data of almost 300 million Americans?

Amendment VI:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

11. Has the Obama Administration done everything in their power to protect the due process rights of American citizens?

Amendment XIV, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

12. Has the Obama Administration done everything in their power to ensure the equal protection of the citizens and application of the law concerning the citizens in The United States?

Amendment XV:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

13. Has the Obama Administration done everything possible to preserve the right of every race of citizen, color of citizen or any citizens bound by any condition of servitude (namely our Soldiers overseas) to vote?

 

[hjmick]

Sorry Wry, those very same questions can be applied to everyone, of both parties, in DC.


The first President or Party that repeals the bullshit Patriot Act rather than renew it, strengthen it, and abuse it, that's the person who will convince me he or she wants to make "our nation a more perfect union..."

Losing the Patriot Act would only be the beginning, but it's a start and it would send the right message.