I have no problem with them asking for ID. It's arresting the guy in his own home for "contempt of cop" that was, as a great and wise man observed, "Acting Stupidly"
They turned a routine call into a nationwide story where they looked like a bunch of racists.
No, your Gods did that--the media.
Yes, it was. The cops acting really stupidly was on video, and the last legitimate President called them on it.
No, you seen a maniac screaming and yelling at the top of his lungs giving the officer a hard time. Funny thing though, you can no longer find that video anywhere. Hmmm, I wonder why that is? It's real simple for normal people: officer asks for your ID, you simply show it to him and keep your mouth shut, and you'll never have a problem.
In my career I've been pulled over for truck inspections over a dozen times, and not once ever had an issue with police. Most were nice, some were pricks, but I always kept in mind they had a job to do, just like I did. The biggest prick I've dealt with in recent years was a black state trooper.
I think one of the most effective ways to avoid police violence is for parents, Black or White to teach their kids, you don't get into an argument with the police if you are stopped and never show disrespect. If police behavior is improper, you should speak up, but not on the side of the road at midnight on Saturday night. Cops are human, some are racist, some are incompetent, and some are just plain tired and discussed, so they make mistakes and loose their temper and when they do everybody loses. This came from a close friend who is on the local police force.
I think a lot of people don't realize that the vast majority of people are respectful when stopped by the police. Those that aren't are often bad guys. So when you're disrespectful and belligerent toward a police officer. it will immediately raise a red flag and the cop will prepare for violence.
I think what all these loudmouths and jocks should do is visit schools to teach that exact message instead of disrespecting our flag in public. Some black kids grow up hating the police because of what their friends and family say about them. They tell these kids the cops are out to get you, and will look for any excuse to gun you down. It's not a wonder why some will fight and try to get away from them.
I also think if police have seminars in school to teach the kids how they are trained, what the laws are, and what they have to deal with every day, that could save a lot of lives too. They need to inform these kids that their parents, family and friends are wrong. The police (for the most part) are here to help--not hurt.
You are going to get bad apples no matter what lengths you go through to hire the best. For those cops especially, the best way to get under their skin is to do exactly what they say. Because then they will have no reason to F with you.
There are two ways to approach this: The way we're seeing now, with protests, riots, dead people, businesses closed down for good or moving out, or try to have everybody do everything a police officer asks no matter what the situation. The latter will save a hundred times more lives than the former.
I agree. A lot what we see in young black men is pride and standing up for yourself and what you believe is right. There's nothing wrong with that and I applaud if it's done at the right time and place. A cop stopping young black male is neither the right time or place.
There's a movie being streamed call the "The Hate You Give". It's about a young black boy that is shot by the police, the protests, the hate, the violence, and the forgiveness that follows. I usually don't go for these kind of movies but I thought this one was particularly good and very timely.
Well Flopper, it all starts with a bad upbringing, which is commonplace in the black community.
I used to listen to the police scanner for our suburb. I stopped when they went digital, but recently purchased a digital scanner so I can continue my hobby. You learn quite a bit just by listening to police calls because you hear things that are never reported in the media. Our suburb is predominantly black.
I would estimate that about 80% of our police calls are about kids. Neighbors calling the cops on kids, store clerks calling the cops on kids, and yes, even parents calling the cops on their kids.
Many in the black community are raised in a single-parent household. When the child gets in those difficult years, the mother eventually loses control of them. She gives up, and then the child grows up thinking he's invincible. He extrapolates the method he used on his mother to the school system. Then eventually the police. He ends up in prison or even getting killed.
Our city council had to create a policy that any more than three calls a year to the police station, the home owner is assessed a fee for each additional call. This came about as mothers were using our police as surrogate fathers. The kid got out of hand, and mom called the police for assistance or discipline. Our police didn't have time to be babysitters for many of the single mothers in our city.
Yeah, that's a pretty common scenario in a black community. A bad home life and bad parenting yield a troublemaker who in turn raises kids as he or she was raised with a similar result thus it continues generation after generation. The problem is how to break the chain of poverty, poor education, and bad parenting.
It is difficult because it's hard to control individual decisions. But at least we can agree on the genesis of the problem.
My favorite economist, Professor Walter E Williams, did an article on this subject, if you have about two minutes of time to kill. While many on the left call him derogatory names like Uncle Tom, nobody has ever challenged his statistics or sources. His claim is that blacks were not always like they are today. Years ago, blacks were pretty much the opposite. Then he goes on to describe what he believes are the responsible parties for the changes that took place. I'm sure you will disagree with some of what he writes here, but agree with most of it.
Walter Williams
jewishworldreview.com
I have to agree that blacks years ago, in 1950's were pretty much the opposite as today.
- More than 90 percent of younger African Americans (ages 25 to 29) have graduated from high school, compared with less than half of that in the 1950s.
- Black voter turnout in elections in the South has increased from 5% to 65%
- Household income adjusted for inflation has risen by 42%
- Typical black family net worth adjusted for inflation has increase by 600%
- Homeowner-ship has increased 41%
- Infant mortality has fallen from 34.9 to 11.5
However, with the progress Blacks have made, there are centuries of racial hatred that have been passed down from generation to generation. of Blacks.
In the 1951, I was in the 5th grade and it was nearing the end of the school year. The principal asked for volunteers for a work detail. Knowing I would be released from class, I volunteered. The job was to look at all the text books and remove all books with missing pages, broken spines, and marked up pages. These books were to go to poor black schools. I told may dad about this work assignment at school and he said, " That's great kid, those blacks need some books. They are all dumb as a rock,"
A few years later, I was riding a bus home with a friend. An elderly black man wearing a suit and tie which was unusually in those days, sat in the very front of the bus. The driver turned to him and said, "boy get to the back bus". The old man just sat there. The bus driver stopped the bus, open the front door, and threw old man in the street. I don't know if he was hurt but he just laid there as the bus pulled away with the driver saying, "Those damn N.... just don't know their place.
In high school, I remember riding around with some friends, and the guy driving said, "Let's have some fun", and he passed a bottle around and asked everybody to piss in it. He drove thru a black neighborhood, stopped and called two young black girls over to the car to ask directions. When they approached, the kid ridding shotgun threw the bottle of piss in their face and the driver drove off with the kid screaming and laughing, "You stupid N******. You can bet that these Blacks, told these stories and thousand of other stories of degradation and humiliation at the hands of whites to their kids and grand kids to be passed on to future generations. And white people today wonder why there is so much racial hatred.
So yes, there has been huge progress but along with that progress has been generations of racial hate that has been passed down from generation to generation and still persist today.
It doesn't excuse their actions of today. Look.......I'm not nearly as old as you are, and I can remember discrimination taking place in the 60's when I was a child. But I'm 60 years old now, and there is nothing a 30 year old black today experienced in his or her lifetime that came anywhere close to what happened back then.
It's like Rush Limbaugh said so many times. Go to the library, and ask the librarian where they keep the books written by successful excuse makers. There are none. If you are going to use what happened to your grandparents, or great grandparents as a crutch for your failures today, then you are actually abrogating your mistakes in life which we all make.
By the 70's, much what you listed were remedied. Discrimination is not owned by blacks. White people used to discriminate against each other over ethnic background. My father went to the bricklayers union as a youngster to get into that field of work. They refused his application because of his Polish ethnicity. He reminded them that he is an American born and bred. He told them he fought in Korea for a year to preserve their freedom in this country. As my father explained, if not for his service to this country as a war veteran, he probably wouldn't' have ever been accepted at the time.
I can't use my fathers pitfalls in his life as a reason for me not to succeed, even though I did just fine. If you read Dr. Williams article, he clearly points out that the illegitimacy rate in the black communities today are well over 70%, and their illiteracy rate higher than that. This has noting to do with what their great grandparents went through. It has nothing to do with racism or discrimination.
Dr. Williams concluded that the problems black America faces today can only be solved by themselves. As long as the Democrat party keeps promoting that their plight is not of their own doing, they will continue to fail.
Racism and the accompanying hatred is passed down from generation to generation. It's not a crutch. It's a fact of life. Many black parents by word or deed teach their children to hate white people, to give up without trying, and rob them of their self-confidence. They grow to adults to teach their children the same destructive behavior.
The idea that a race of people that have lived in slavery, exploitation, and social injustice for hundreds of years are going pull themselves up by their bootstraps with no intervention is just plain stupid. There will always be individuals that can escape their environment and change but cultural change depends on the change in the environment.
I disagree. Not for most of my lifetime.
I attended grade and high school. What black was denied the same opportunity?
When I got out of school, I worked several different minimum wage jobs, gaining references and doing various different kinds of work. What black was denied that opportunity?
I could have lived with my parents for a few years, saved all the money I worked for, and attended college. What black was denied that opportunity?
I took precautions to not have any children so I wouldn't be burdened with decades of expenses. What black was denied that opportunity?
I stayed away from illegal activities that could have landed me in jail or prison. Outside of pot, I didn't mess with illegal narcotics. I slowly obtained and maintained credit, building my credit rating higher and higher. What black didn't have that same opportunity?
When I decided the field of work I was in didn't pay enough, I switched to a new field of work that paid better and put me in demand. After a few years, I enhanced that position to make even better money and put me more in demand. What black was denied that opportunity?
Afterwards, I made an investment in real estate. My father and I both worked to make it successful, and to provide for when I retired. Speaking of which, I had an employer that provided us with an IRA account, which he contributed to as did I. What black was denied that opportunity?
Bottom line is the failure in the black community is their own doing, just like Professor Williams wrote about. Government or white people in general can't force them into creating two parent homes. Government or white people can't stop them from getting involved in crime. Government or white people can't stop them from having children they could barely afford, or not afford at all, keeping them from financial advancement and even lifelong poverty. Only they can do that--not us.
