We righties need to be prepared for a Trump loss

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Yes they did. It wasn’t mandated, but the citizens of Sweden follow the recommended guidelines. They socially distance and they wear masks.
Some did and some didn't. People like myself at high risk most certainly did. Younger people are much less concerned about it so they take many less precautions. In any case, as your article stated, they are still doing a lot better than European countries who did take all kinds of measures to prevent it.
 

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Two major pluses. I think that is why Trump resorted to so many EO’s despite a friendly congress.
You mean the same friendly Congress that impeached him with no impeachable offenses and no crime committed? The same friendly Congress that wouldn't give him a measly 3 billion dollars for a wall and shutdown our country for the longest time in history over it? The same friendly Congress that berated and dehumanized a decent judge like Kavanaugh?

If that's what you consider friends, who needs enemies?

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Bbbut, Mexico was supposed to pay for that wall! You saying Trump lied????
 

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Ive been saying this for months now. There is a good chance trump will lose. All these threads of people being cocky and boastful of a trump victory could well be tucking tail in November.
I also suggested that maybe there should have been a second republican candidate waiting in the wings, just in case trump started to wain.
There is a chance a meteor could crash into your living room as well, but do you carry asteroid insurance? Probably not.

I will be shocked if Biden wins despite his unpopular support for gun confiscation, abortion on demand, defunding the police, no public option in his health care regime he plans to implement, and his plans to raise taxes and kill our petroleum industry.

Other than that, yeah, Biden might possibly win.
I will not underestimate the Trump machine. Not after 2016.
I will not underestimate the cheating, stealing Republicans and Putin
 

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Another point, the death rate in the USA for 2020 is on par with the last several years, there has been no spike in the overall death rate due to covid, even though many non covid deaths have been coded as covid. Pay hospitals extra for covid deaths and guess what, you get a lot of covid death certificates
On this you are wrong....we, As of a few weeks ago, have 300,000 excess deaths this year....vs last year...

200,000 of those excess 300,000 deaths over and above last year's and our average cause of deaths, can be attributed to the Corona virus deaths....but there are still an additional 100,000 deaths that are excess deaths, over and above what we normally have....

Doctors and scientists believe that some of these excess deaths can be some extra COVID deaths that occurred at home, and were not brought to the hospital, but most of the 100k excess deaths could be heart attacks and strokes and other diseases over and above last year's, where the people did not seek help because the hospitals were filled with covid patients or they were afraid to go to the hospital because they were scared of getting covid, and they died from not seeking help for their ailments, at home.

nope, not true. but you are right about one thing about hospitals -------code it covid and get more federal money.
As said, hospitals get reimbursed more money for COVID patients because it costs them a ton more, for taking care of the isolated covid patients, in medical machinery and new experimental drugs, and individual care, and PPE, than the average patient.

NO ONE NEEDS COVID written as a cause of death, to get more money reimbursed from Medicare.....

The diagnosis of covid when they are admitted to the hospital for the corona virus, triggers the extra reimbursement money....

NOT WHAT THESE PATIENTS DIED FROM or what is on their death certificates as a cause of death!!!

you just don't understand. treat a person with diabetes, he dies, code it covid, collect the extra money without spending any extra money. its called scamming the system and hospitals are very good at it. then the liars in the media, CDC, and WHO all scream "look at all the covid cases" geez woman, wake up.
 

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so are you and witchey advocating that the entire country wear masks forever? covid now has a 99.7% survival rate. That does not warrant destroying our economy and our society.
You are strictly black and white aren’t you? For you it just has to be one extreme or another.

Nobody is saying to wear a mask forever. We wear the masks until there’s a vaccine or have contained or controlled the virus. To get the economy back, people have to not be afraid of dying. With close to 250,000 dead in less than a year, talking about the survival rate isn’t going to help.
Know what does help? Wearing a mask. Here you go, science so simple even you can understand it.

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article244959870.html

I understand that you somehow think this panic helps senile Joe, but you are wrong. the majority of americans are smarter than you think they are, they see through this crap.
The majority of Americans are concerned about Covid and think Donnie Covidseed has done a shit ass job.

this is a serious question: tell us how many of those 250,000 would have died anyway of their other medical issues? you can't and neither can anyone else, but its logical to say that a large number of them would have died anyway, covid or not. Unless you can extract those people from the count, the count is meaningless.
 

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so are you and witchey advocating that the entire country wear masks forever? covid now has a 99.7% survival rate. That does not warrant destroying our economy and our society.
You are strictly black and white aren’t you? For you it just has to be one extreme or another.

Nobody is saying to wear a mask forever. We wear the masks until there’s a vaccine or have contained or controlled the virus. To get the economy back, people have to not be afraid of dying. With close to 250,000 dead in less than a year, talking about the survival rate isn’t going to help.
Know what does help? Wearing a mask. Here you go, science so simple even you can understand it.

https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article244959870.html

I understand that you somehow think this panic helps senile Joe, but you are wrong. the majority of americans are smarter than you think they are, they see through this crap.
The majority of Americans are concerned about Covid and think Donnie Covidseed has done a shit ass job.

this is a serious question: tell us how many of those 250,000 would have died anyway of their other medical issues? you can't and neither can anyone else, but its logical to say that a large number of them would have died anyway, covid or not. Unless you can extract those people from the count, the count is meaningless.
None. They all died of COVID. Every single one of them would have, one day, died of something, but COVID changed that for them.
 

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Ive been saying this for months now. There is a good chance trump will lose. All these threads of people being cocky and boastful of a trump victory could well be tucking tail in November.
I also suggested that maybe there should have been a second republican candidate waiting in the wings, just in case trump started to wain.
There is a chance a meteor could crash into your living room as well, but do you carry asteroid insurance? Probably not.

I will be shocked if Biden wins despite his unpopular support for gun confiscation, abortion on demand, defunding the police, no public option in his health care regime he plans to implement, and his plans to raise taxes and kill our petroleum industry.

Other than that, yeah, Biden might possibly win.
I will not underestimate the Trump machine. Not after 2016.
I will not underestimate the cheating, stealing Republicans and Putin
They certainly are doing their best to prevent voting :(
 

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Yes they did. It wasn’t mandated, but the citizens of Sweden follow the recommended guidelines. They socially distance and they wear masks.
Some did and some didn't. People like myself at high risk most certainly did. Younger people are much less concerned about it so they take many less precautions. In any case, as your article stated, they are still doing a lot better than European countries who did take all kinds of measures to prevent it.

 

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Another point, the death rate in the USA for 2020 is on par with the last several years, there has been no spike in the overall death rate due to covid, even though many non covid deaths have been coded as covid. Pay hospitals extra for covid deaths and guess what, you get a lot of covid death certificates
On this you are wrong....we, As of a few weeks ago, have 300,000 excess deaths this year....vs last year...

200,000 of those excess 300,000 deaths over and above last year's and our average cause of deaths, can be attributed to the Corona virus deaths....but there are still an additional 100,000 deaths that are excess deaths, over and above what we normally have....

Doctors and scientists believe that some of these excess deaths can be some extra COVID deaths that occurred at home, and were not brought to the hospital, but most of the 100k excess deaths could be heart attacks and strokes and other diseases over and above last year's, where the people did not seek help because the hospitals were filled with covid patients or they were afraid to go to the hospital because they were scared of getting covid, and they died from not seeking help for their ailments, at home.

nope, not true. but you are right about one thing about hospitals -------code it covid and get more federal money.
As said, hospitals get reimbursed more money for COVID patients because it costs them a ton more, for taking care of the isolated covid patients, in medical machinery and new experimental drugs, and individual care, and PPE, than the average patient.

NO ONE NEEDS COVID written as a cause of death, to get more money reimbursed from Medicare.....

The diagnosis of covid when they are admitted to the hospital for the corona virus, triggers the extra reimbursement money....

NOT WHAT THESE PATIENTS DIED FROM or what is on their death certificates as a cause of death!!!

you just don't understand. treat a person with diabetes, he dies, code it covid, collect the extra money without spending any extra money. its called scamming the system and hospitals are very good at it. then the liars in the media, CDC, and WHO all scream "look at all the covid cases" geez woman, wake up.
Ask FactCheck reporter Angelo Fichera, who interviewed Jensen, noted, "Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons. But that’s how his comments have been widely interpreted and paraded on social media."
Ask FactCheck's conclusion: "Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting."
Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the American Medical Association’s Journal of Ethics, told PolitiFact it is “very unlikely that physicians or hospitals will falsify data or be motivated by money to do so.
 

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We could care less who pays for it as long as it's built. Mexico paying for it is your hangup on the left--not ours.
Not all debts are paid with cash or a check.

Payment in kind (tariffs, troops at the border, confiscated drug lord cash) works just as well.
Yeah? So when is he paying back the money he stole from the kids of servicemembers to pay for the wall that's not built yet?

 

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Yes they did. It wasn’t mandated, but the citizens of Sweden follow the recommended guidelines. They socially distance and they wear masks.
Some did and some didn't. People like myself at high risk most certainly did. Younger people are much less concerned about it so they take many less precautions. In any case, as your article stated, they are still doing a lot better than European countries who did take all kinds of measures to prevent it.

Now you're given me links that conflict each other. From the first one you posted:

Sweden registered 7 new deaths, taking the total to 5,934. Sweden's death rate per capita is several times higher than Nordic neighbours, but lower than some larger European countries, such as Spain and Britain.
 

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They certainly are doing their best to prevent voting :(
Why do you Dems have such difficulty understanding that preventing illegal voting is NOT voter suppression?
Why do you Pubs have such difficulty understanding that it ISN'T about illegal voting? Insisting that all ballots be counted on Election Day, for example has NOTHING to do with illegal voting. Nice try though.
 

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Dude I’m in the medical instruments business. Hospitals are my customers and I’ve been in these hospitals many many times even during this crisis. I can walk you through from step one to ICU to deaths.

Yes of course Respiratory specialist, highly qualified nurses and doctors have the training but for some idiots to say they over ventilated because they don’t know how to use that damn thing. Is just plain stupid. That’s what I meant.
What I was responding to is your claim a high school kid can run a ventilator when they can't, at least not without some training or instructions from another person. When a ventilator came in, I had to clean it and do an official manufacture check each time. The process took about an hour per ventilator.
Fine.... Now suddenly you have a NEW job. This is so funny. Move on.
 

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There is no evidence of fraudulent reporting but there is a myth that has been circulating since last April that hospitals are lying abtout causes of death and miscoding Medicare claims. Hospitals do not receive extra funds when patients die from COVID-19. They are not over-reporting COVID-19 cases. And, they are not making money on treating COVID-19.

The truth is, hospitals and health systems are in their worst financial shape in decades due to the coronavirus. In some cases, the situation is truly dire. An AHA report estimates total losses for our nation’s hospitals and health systems of least $323 billion in 2020. There is no windfall here.

Further, hospitals and health systems adhere to strict coding guidelines, and use of the COVID-19 code for Medicare claims is reserved for confirmed cases. As of April 15, all Medicare claims must include positive test results for Covid-19 or other proof. Coding inappropriately can result in criminal penalties and exclusion from the Medicare program altogether. In July, the Trump administration initiated a new procedure in which all covid deaths are verified by HHS. In addition Medicare flags all Covid deaths to verify all coding.
Oh please. People ripoff Medicare and Medicaid in the billions of dollars every year. Do you really think that it stops at Covid?

And that ER nurse I spoke about earlier, do you think she is making this all up? And if so, why?

Why did the VA give a false report of my Uncle having Covid when it was virtually impossible for him to have it?
To answer those questions it would be necessary to examine both the medical records and the death certificate. There is certainly the possibility of a mistake. Although determining of deaths due to covid is usually very straight forward but at times, I'm sure it's a toss up. I really don't see much incentive for a doctor to lie about covid deaths. The hospital only get's a small addition amount from Medicare for ventilator use which may or may not have been used by the patient.

What few people seem realize is half of Americans die at home with hospice care and determination of cause death will often be the person's primary physician who has few medical records in the period near death. These case may be under or over counted for Covid. There is no way to tell.

The VA has said the covid deaths are not accurate back in April. Since then there has been a change in reporting. I do know that VA deaths are reported separately from the those reported by the CDC.

 

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The one thing the right never has done, ever, is examine themselves to figure out where they went wrong. Find yourself a liberal scapegoat, decide Trump was not really a conservative anyway and double down on the same old wedge issue crap that made America drop your candidate in the first place. Lather, rinse, repeat.
And the Democrats have? Clinton ran a terrible campaign against Trump. Then the Democrats blamed Russia, and the press for the loss. Neither ide is very bright when looking in a mirror.
 

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You have no clue of what you are talking about. Of course I have to ask you to prove of what you are saying because all what you are saying is just an opinion coming from anti MW and mostly BS. It will be very stupid for me to accept just an opinion with out proof.

Again my employees that starts at $16+ as I mentioned the latest was 3 years. At this point theres nobody that makes $16+/hour because I give increases every year. PAY ATTENTION.

***1. There’s are no drastic increases it’s incremental. Pay attention.
***2. Companies failed for due to several reasons but you cannot even give me a single company that closed because of MW. Name me one..... start in Seattle. Most of the companies that closed before the CV blamed it on the increase of rental space. Not the wages.

In & Out hamburgers managers without college degree makes $160,000 a year and business is booming.
I don't know anything about In and Out burgers because I've never heard of them before, and we certainly don't have any around here that I'm aware of. I didn't provide a site of a place that closed down because of MW, I provided three of them, and I'm sure a simple Google search would produce more. Those are just the ones I kept when the MW in Seattle was introduced or already started. However it's a waste of time because you simply put the palms of your hands to your ears and sing aloud. There is no point of posting anything to you if you will simply refute it regardless what the source says.
Because you can not prove anything that increasing MW is bad. You are just locked in that MW is bad.....

After decades of business, traveled, audit companies, audit hospitals........ I have not seen any business of any categories that went down because of MW. Like I already mentioned I have several relatives in Seattle that own restaurants and other types of business and I asked them regularly if they heard anyone that close bcoz of MW.

One of my friends that own a McDonald’s franchise in Riverside County, Ca located inside the Tyler Mall. About 110 miles north from here San Diego closed it down because the rent went up from $15,000 a month renew, after lease expires to $36,000 a month to $40,000 he closed it down after 16 years in business.
 

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