We righties need to be prepared for a Trump loss

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes 2014, you think economics changes that fast? I know you have a rock for a brain, but just how stupid are you?

As a country we should want faster growth. It's going to be a pretty shitty world when China passes us.

Again, we had a million and a half jobs more than people to do them. How can it get better than that? Two million jobs? Three million?

 

[Erinwltr]

The game changer was the virus but Trump never changed. He continued to tell people what they wanted to hear, masks and social distancing are optional. Open up the schools and businesses. We don't need more tests. We've turned the corner. The virus will be gone by summer. The virus will by election day. We'll have a vaccine by election day. He told America what they wanted to hear, and the results are over 217,000 deaths, the virus is surging in most states, deaths rising, and epidemiologists predicting a 2nd wave bigger than first.

When an epidemic hits, the one most important factor in controlling it is unifying the nation in following preventive methods and Donald Trump has fought against this from day one with lies and misinformation. It has become increasing clear to voters on both sides that Trump is making it worse not better.

Yeah, just like they are in Europe today, huh?

We don't live in a kingdom. Trump can't force anybody to do anything. Foci told a Fox reporter (in regards to the Woodhead report) that all pertinent information discussed was properly relayed to the public. Furthermore Fauci and Birx both had many addresses to the public in the Presidents news briefings.

Federal Court Rules Pennsylvania's Lockdown Order Unconstitutional

Population-wide lockdown orders are "such a dramatic inversion of the concept of liberty in a free society as to be nearly presumptively unconstitutional" wrote U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV

reason.com

And, you are wrong. Post again when you got shit right.

Anthony Fauci - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Erinwltr]

You can't be this dumb. The unemployment rate was decreasing for 6 years before trump and followed that same trend. It went up under trump. Where is it at now? Crime is increasing, who cares about police support? Clearly it's not working.

Lets look at trumps record again:
HUGE deficits
Giant bailouts
Riots
Recession
Increasing crime
Most pandemic deaths

There is nothing good there. Trump is gonna leave us with excuses and a huge bill.

You can tell all the lies you want, but outside of TDS infected people, nobody believes them. I posted what Trump's real record was, and everything I wrote he was responsible for.

God Damn it, Ray Ray! Are you QAnon?

 

[Brain357]

Yes 2014, you think economics changes that fast? I know you have a rock for a brain, but just how stupid are you?

As a country we should want faster growth. It's going to be a pretty shitty world when China passes us.

Again, we had a million and a half jobs more than people to do them. How can it get better than that? Two million jobs? Three million?

They can get paid a decent wage. We could have better GDP growth so China doesn't pass us. There are a lot of things that could have been better. Look at how much healthcare costs digs into wages. Trump promised the best healthcare. Another failure.

You realize the small wage gains we got were mostly from all the min wage increases? That wasn't trump policy...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I posted facts, you choose to ignore them. The only deranged ones are trumpers. This is the reality in our country now:
HUGE deficits
Giant bailouts
Riots
Recession
Increasing crime
Most pandemic deaths

Trump is the biggest failure of a president I have ever seen. And Bush was pretty bad.

Lies are not facts, they're made-up stories. Do I need to shoot them down one by one again for you? Congress creates the spending bills. The riots took place because they were promoted by Democrat Mayors and Governors. Trump can't do anything about it even if he wanted. The US has the 8th highest death rate per 100,000 people, not the most.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They can get paid a decent wage. We could have better GDP growth so China doesn't pass us. There are a lot of things that could have been better. Look at how much healthcare costs digs into wages. Trump promised the best healthcare. Another failure.

You realize the small wage gains we got were mostly from all the min wage increases? That wasn't trump policy...

You with the lies already. Minimum wage employees makeup 3% of our workforce. HTF could they be responsible for "most" of the wage increases?

Yes, they can get paid a decent wage, but not inspecting parts or turning nuts onto bolts. If you want to make more money, you need to improve your skills, get a trade, go to vocational school and get a career.

Hell my field of work was transportation. Some drivers were making close to six figures, and they still had a huge shortage of drivers. Go to school, learn how to drive a tractor-trailer, and have a job for the rest of your life.

Walmart to hire hundreds of truck drivers, raise salary to nearly $90,000

Walmart has announced it will hire “hundreds” of truck drivers and raise driver pay in 2019. Last year, the company saw same-store comp sales hit three percent, “which is leading …

fox8.com

 

[Brain357]

I posted facts, you choose to ignore them. The only deranged ones are trumpers. This is the reality in our country now:
HUGE deficits
Giant bailouts
Riots
Recession
Increasing crime
Most pandemic deaths

Trump is the biggest failure of a president I have ever seen. And Bush was pretty bad.

Lies are not facts, they're made-up stories. Do I need to shoot them down one by one again for you? Congress creates the spending bills. The riots took place because they were promoted by Democrat Mayors and Governors. Trump can't do anything about it even if he wanted. The US has the 8th highest death rate per 100,000 people, not the most.

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Again, the huge deficits are from the irresponsible tax cuts and huge increase in military spending. Those were done when Trump was in full control of the government. Riots are because everyone is unhappy because trump is so incompetent. Your charts only go to 18.... Trump keep saying violent crime is up. Is he lying? We have by far the most pandemic deaths.

 

[Brain357]

They can get paid a decent wage. We could have better GDP growth so China doesn't pass us. There are a lot of things that could have been better. Look at how much healthcare costs digs into wages. Trump promised the best healthcare. Another failure.

You realize the small wage gains we got were mostly from all the min wage increases? That wasn't trump policy...

You with the lies already. Minimum wage employees makeup 3% of our workforce. HTF could they be responsible for "most" of the wage increases?

Yes, they can get paid a decent wage, but not inspecting parts or turning nuts onto bolts. If you want to make more money, you need to improve your skills, get a trade, go to vocational school and get a career.

Hell my field of work was transportation. Some drivers were making close to six figures, and they still had a huge shortage of drivers. Go to school, learn how to drive a tractor-trailer, and have a job for the rest of your life.

Walmart to hire hundreds of truck drivers, raise salary to nearly $90,000

Walmart has announced it will hire “hundreds” of truck drivers and raise driver pay in 2019. Last year, the company saw same-store comp sales hit three percent, “which is leading …

fox8.com

So now you figured out how things can be better. I'm glad I taught you something. Now stop being such an idiot.

 

[Brain357]

I posted facts, you choose to ignore them. The only deranged ones are trumpers. This is the reality in our country now:
HUGE deficits
Giant bailouts
Riots
Recession
Increasing crime
Most pandemic deaths

Trump is the biggest failure of a president I have ever seen. And Bush was pretty bad.

Lies are not facts, they're made-up stories. Do I need to shoot them down one by one again for you? Congress creates the spending bills. The riots took place because they were promoted by Democrat Mayors and Governors. Trump can't do anything about it even if he wanted. The US has the 8th highest death rate per 100,000 people, not the most.

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Trump says murders are up in Democrat-run cities. They’re up in Republican-run cities, too.

Trump’s comments at the presidential debate paint a misleading picture about crime and violence in the US.

www.vox.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So now you figured out how things can be better. I'm glad I taught you something. Now stop being such an idiot.

I figured it out long time ago. It's you on the left that can't figure out anything.

Before the virus, the construction trade couldn't find workers. My father, a retired bricklayer gets updates on his trade from the union. The union was asking their retirees to find young people that might be interested in the trade that can pass a drug test.

It's very hard work, but my father did very well in his trade. With all benefits included, it was over $50.00 an hour. But they couldn't find enough people to join and that created a shortage.

But let me ask: what would you want a President to do to increase wages?

 

[miketx]

Hookers and blow.

 

[Brain357]

So now you figured out how things can be better. I'm glad I taught you something. Now stop being such an idiot.

I figured it out long time ago. It's you on the left that can't figure out anything.

Before the virus, the construction trade couldn't find workers. My father, a retired bricklayer gets updates on his trade from the union. The union was asking their retirees to find young people that might be interested in the trade that can pass a drug test.

It's very hard work, but my father did very well in his trade. With all benefits included, it was over $50.00 an hour. But they couldn't find enough people to join and that created a shortage.

But let me ask: what would you want a President to do to increase wages?

But you didn't figure it out. You were just babbling about how could anything be better. Glad I have you a bit more on track.

One thing we must do is get rid of all our near monopolies.

America Has A Monopoly Problem

A large and growing part of our economy is “owned” by a handful of companies that face little competition. An economy in which it is easier and cheaper to buy your competitors rather than out-innovate them is probably headed toward stagnation.

www.forbes.com

As we have reported, some economists say this concentration of market power is gumming up the economy and is largely to blame for decades of flat wages and weak productivity growth.

 

[miketx]

So now you figured out how things can be better. I'm glad I taught you something. Now stop being such an idiot.

I figured it out long time ago. It's you on the left that can't figure out anything.

Before the virus, the construction trade couldn't find workers. My father, a retired bricklayer gets updates on his trade from the union. The union was asking their retirees to find young people that might be interested in the trade that can pass a drug test.

It's very hard work, but my father did very well in his trade. With all benefits included, it was over $50.00 an hour. But they couldn't find enough people to join and that created a shortage.

But let me ask: what would you want a President to do to increase wages?

 

[Flopper]

The game changer was the virus but Trump never changed. He continued to tell people what they wanted to hear, masks and social distancing are optional. Open up the schools and businesses. We don't need more tests. We've turned the corner. The virus will be gone by summer. The virus will by election day. We'll have a vaccine by election day. He told America what they wanted to hear, and the results are over 217,000 deaths, the virus is surging in most states, deaths rising, and epidemiologists predicting a 2nd wave bigger than first.

When an epidemic hits, the one most important factor in controlling it is unifying the nation in following preventive methods and Donald Trump has fought against this from day one with lies and misinformation. It has become increasing clear to voters on both sides that Trump is making it worse not better.

Yeah, just like they are in Europe today, huh?

We don't live in a kingdom. Trump can't force anybody to do anything. Foci told a Fox reporter (in regards to the Woodhead report) that all pertinent information discussed was properly relayed to the public. Furthermore Fauci and Birx both had many addresses to the public in the Presidents news briefings.

Federal Court Rules Pennsylvania's Lockdown Order Unconstitutional

Population-wide lockdown orders are "such a dramatic inversion of the concept of liberty in a free society as to be nearly presumptively unconstitutional" wrote U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV

reason.com

No, force was not needed, just leadership. When the leadership in a nation is not united in there response to an epidemic which was the case in the US and a number of European nations, controlling it becomes impossible. In South Korea and Japan, the government laid out clearly what was needed to stop the virus. The national government set an example for the people, worked with local leaders, created advertising campaign, called up tens of thousands in the military to assist local governments. In South Korea, with a population of 60 million the total number deaths is less than what occurs in the US in single day. Japan has had 1600 deaths, South Korea about 400 while in the US we have had over 217,000. To a lesser extent their success has been repeated in Hong Kong, Thailand, Viet Nam, Australia, New Zealand, and dozens of other courtiers.

The countries that have been the lease successful at control the virus, such as the US, Brazil, Spain, Italy, and Mexico all have one thing in common. National leadership has either been deeply divided, non-responsive, or hostile toward prevention.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But you didn't figure it out. You were just babbling about how could anything be better. Glad I have you a bit more on track.

One thing we must do is get rid of all our near monopolies.

What you want is floor sweepers and shelf stockers to make more. But our government cannot control that. It's the American consumer that controls it.

You and I both have widget factories. I pay menial labor whatever I can get away with. You think my way is wrong, and pay menial labor a good wage.

Now I can produce widgets for 10 dollars each. You can produce them for 13 dollars each. Which one of us will sell the most widgets to Walmart, Amazon, Home Depot?

The American consumer will always choose the cheapest product they can buy, and that's why most stores carry the cheapest product. So now you're employees are paid well, but you have to lay them off because you are not selling many widgets. I cornered the market due to cost.

 

[miketx]

But you didn't figure it out. You were just babbling about how could anything be better. Glad I have you a bit more on track.

One thing we must do is get rid of all our near monopolies.

What you want is floor sweepers and shelf stockers to make more. But our government cannot control that. It's the American consumer that controls it.

You and I both have widget factories. I pay menial labor whatever I can get away with. You think my way is wrong, and pay menial labor a good wage.

Now I can produce widgets for 10 dollars each. You can produce them for 13 dollars each. Which one of us will sell the most widgets to Walmart, Amazon, Home Depot?

The American consumer will always choose the cheapest product they can buy, and that's why most stores carry the cheapest product. So now you're employees are paid well, but you have to lay them off because you are not selling many widgets. I cornered the market due to cost.

But but but socialism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, force was not needed, just leadership. When the leadership in a nation is not united in there response to an epidemic which was the case in the US and a number of European nations, controlling it becomes impossible. In South Korea and Japan, the government laid out clearly what was needed to stop the virus. The national government set an example for the people, worked with local leaders, created advertising campaign, called up tens of thousands in the military to assist local governments. In South Korea, with a population of 60 million the total number deaths is less than what occurs in the US in single day. Japan has had 1600 deaths, South Korea about 400 while in the US we have had over 217,000. To a lesser extent their success has been repeated in Hong Kong, Thailand, Viet Nam, Australia, New Zealand, and dozens of other courtiers.

The countries that have been the lease successful at control the virus, such as the US, Brazil, Spain, Italy, and Mexico all have one thing in common. National leadership has either been deeply divided, non-responsive, or hostile toward prevention.

We are a constitutional republic. The President is no more responsible for Covid than he is for hurricanes. Look at Sweden for example. No regulations, no shutdowns, no social distancing, and no closing of businesses. They're doing the best out of all of us. They only told people with high mortality concerns to stay home if they can.

And remember our cases and deaths are fudged. I've read about it, and recently, I experienced it with my own family. To that extent, I do blame the President. He should have never promised any extra money to facilities that treat Covid.

The only way to reduce our Covid numbers and deaths is to remove those payments, or have Biden win. Because if Biden wins, like magic, all of a sudden the reporting will change that we're doing great.

 

[Flopper]

I posted facts, you choose to ignore them. The only deranged ones are trumpers. This is the reality in our country now:
HUGE deficits
Giant bailouts
Riots
Recession
Increasing crime
Most pandemic deaths

Trump is the biggest failure of a president I have ever seen. And Bush was pretty bad.

Lies are not facts, they're made-up stories. Do I need to shoot them down one by one again for you? Congress creates the spending bills. The riots took place because they were promoted by Democrat Mayors and Governors. Trump can't do anything about it even if he wanted. The US has the 8th highest death rate per 100,000 people, not the most.

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20 years of decreasing crime rates is darn good, not that Trump was party to it. In 2020, homicide rates between June and August of 2020 increased by 53% over the same period in 2019, and aggravated assaults went up by 14%. Trump fails to see that our failing economy, increasing crime rate and other social problems are all tied to the spreading coronavirus. Stopping the virus is a critical first step and I don't see that happening under Trump.

 

[Brain357]

But you didn't figure it out. You were just babbling about how could anything be better. Glad I have you a bit more on track.

One thing we must do is get rid of all our near monopolies.

What you want is floor sweepers and shelf stockers to make more. But our government cannot control that. It's the American consumer that controls it.

You and I both have widget factories. I pay menial labor whatever I can get away with. You think my way is wrong, and pay menial labor a good wage.

Now I can produce widgets for 10 dollars each. You can produce them for 13 dollars each. Which one of us will sell the most widgets to Walmart, Amazon, Home Depot?

The American consumer will always choose the cheapest product they can buy, and that's why most stores carry the cheapest product. So now you're employees are paid well, but you have to lay them off because you are not selling many widgets. I cornered the market due to cost.

We didn't always choose the cheapest product. There was a time when we bought American. Then republican's started their war on Unions and made it ok to buy the cheap imports. That worked out well eh?

Again, our near monopolies are a huge problem. We had very low unemployment and wages barely moved. The market is broken.

 

[conserveguy877]

President Trump is gaining steam again. The people are realizing that another 4 years can make so much sense. Especially when comparing to the Slow Joe. Why gamble on that when the economy is picking back up better than expect?