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No. I said we don't have any actual treatments for the virus yet. Because we do not. Promising treatments are not treatments. Nothing is "medicine", until its efficacy has been conclusively demonstrated.Funny when I said we had promising treatments you disagreed with me
Shell game technologyFalse. An R0 number is an average. If R0 is 2 that means, for every person who infects nobody, someone else infects 4 people.Of course that assumed everyone who is infected in turn infects more people
He does not want promising treatments.Everyone knows this. Clearly, treating the virus to alleviate or prevent symptoms is desirable. I don't know what about that is so hard to understand or admit.it's not the viral infection that is the ultimate killer it is the respiratory symptoms that kill people.
Funny when I said we had promising treatments you disagreed with me
Is that the conclusion of your crack research team?Shell game technologyFalse. An R0 number is an average. If R0 is 2 that means, for every person who infects nobody, someone else infects 4 people.Of course that assumed everyone who is infected in turn infects more people
No. I said we don't have any actual treatments for the virus yet. Because we do not. Promising treatments are not treatments. Nothing is "medicine", until its efficacy has been conclusively demonstrated.Funny when I said we had promising treatments you disagreed with me
Hopefully, soon, we will have treatment.
Disagree. We have limited resources, and dumping them into an unproven treatment would be dumb and harmful.Seems like now is the time to drop that line of thinking.
Right. So now is the time for many, aggressive studies. The faster we really know the efficacy of the treatment (or lack thereof), the faster we can act accordingly.Small studies have shown that a very well know very safe drug in combination with another very well known very safe drug were able to rapidly reduce the viral load of patients with COVID.
Disagree. We have limited resources, and dumping them into an unproven treatment would be dumb and harmful.Seems like now is the time to drop that line of thinking.
Right. So now is the time for many, aggressive studies. The faster we really know the efficacy of the treatment (or lack thereof), the faster we can act accordingly.Small studies have shown that a very well know very safe drug in combination with another very well known very safe drug were able to rapidly reduce the viral load of patients with COVID.
No it’s what you plainly put on the table and self evidentIs that the conclusion of your crack research team?Shell game technologyFalse. An R0 number is an average. If R0 is 2 that means, for every person who infects nobody, someone else infects 4 people.Of course that assumed everyone who is infected in turn infects more people
And effective treatment that would be distributed fast is Bad for the Media and the hurt TrumpersDisagree. We have limited resources, and dumping them into an unproven treatment would be dumb and harmful.Seems like now is the time to drop that line of thinking.
Right. So now is the time for many, aggressive studies. The faster we really know the efficacy of the treatment (or lack thereof), the faster we can act accordingly.Small studies have shown that a very well know very safe drug in combination with another very well known very safe drug were able to rapidly reduce the viral load of patients with COVID.
But the treatment has already worked
and it's not harmful as I said these are both drugs that have been approved by the FDA long ago. there really is no increased risk
Sorry, but you don't know that. Causation must be established over correlation, and efficacy must be conclusively demonstrated over placebo effect, for a treatment to be deemed effective.But the treatment has already worked
Forgoing possible effective treatment for ineffective treatment would be very harmful. Directing resources away from effective methods to ineffective methods would be very harmful. You're not thinking this through.and it's not harmful
Overreacting? You are a fool.The economy is being harmed by the Coronavirus hysteria created by the mainstream media. The virus itself will not harm our economy that much as long as we don't over-react. Most of the damage being done by the Coronavirus is being done by people talking about it and over-reacting. Contrast this with how well the world handled the flu pandemic of 1918. The stock market in the USA actually only dropped about 5% that year.
To put things into perspective, the 1918 flu killed about 50,000,000 people out of 1.6 billion. Today, that would be proportional to a virus killing about 215 million people worldwide. That sounds like it would be devastating, except if there was no global market crash in 1918, there is certainly no reason for us to panic and create one today.
We need to stop panicking, stoically let the virus run its course and keep working or we might suffer an economic depression.
Of course there are. We have completely mapped the RNA of covid-19. Are you referring to field tests of infected people? You should be more clear, or you're right, others won't be able to follow.There are not tests which can differentiate one coronavirus from another
But even if that is what you meant, you're still wrong. Yes, the tests identify covid-19, not just an infection of a virus from the Corona family.
No idea what this nonsense means or how it is relevant. I doubt you do, either.There are no tests to differentiate an acute infection from a previous exposure
Actually, they do. Scientists recommend precisely this, to slow the exponential growth of the number of cases, so that our hospitals are not overwhelmed. But you're about to post your crack research that shows otherwise, right?If you are immunocompromised or malnourished take whatever precautions your health care provider ordered but don't demand that the nation be brought to standstill.
No idea what this nonsense means or how it is relevant.
No relevant content or counter, all tantrumOf course there are. We have completely mapped the RNA of covid-19. Are you referring to field tests of infected people? You should be more clear, or you're right, others won't be able to follow.There are not tests which can differentiate one coronavirus from another
But even if that is what you meant, you're still wrong. Yes, the tests identify covid-19, not just an infection of a virus from the Corona family.
No idea what this nonsense means or how it is relevant. I doubt you do, either.There are no tests to differentiate an acute infection from a previous exposure
Actually, they do. Scientists recommend precisely this, to slow the exponential growth of the number of cases, so that our hospitals are not overwhelmed. But you're about to post your crack research that shows otherwise, right?If you are immunocompromised or malnourished take whatever precautions your health care provider ordered but don't demand that the nation be brought to standstill.
No idea what this nonsense means or how it is relevant.
Dude , You are out of your league. Wait until there is thread about basket weaving .
Meanwhile I hope you are a Philly resident and the governor confines you to your Apartment for the rest of your natural life.
TaTa
How does the placebo effect come into play in the measurements that have shown drastic reductions in viral loads?Sorry, but you don't know that. Causation must be established over correlation, and efficacy must be conclusively demonstrated over placebo effect, for a treatment to be deemed effective.But the treatment has already worked
Forgoing possible effective treatment for ineffective treatment would be very harmful. Directing resources away from effective methods to ineffective methods would be very harmful. You're not thinking this through.and it's not harmful
Correct, an embarrassing, ignorant, uneducated slob of a denier.A denier?
Of course not retard, you don't even listen to career scientists.Are you really expecting me to feel shamed by some half-assed accusation thrown by a peabrain I don't respect enough to piss on if he were on fire?
President Trump, along with his point man on the Chinese Flu , Jared Kushner, have been making a lot of progress on this.
A lot of people have been following their President's suggestion to wash their hands and as a result, we have Zero cases in the Tremendous County of Mercer. Further, Trump's idea to use anti-malarial drugs is a tremendous one. It hasn't been proven effective yet, but conservative doctors will be able to prescribe it "off label" for their CV patients
Not really.The economy is being harmed by the Coronavirus hysteria created by the mainstream media. The virus itself will not harm our economy that much as long as we don't over-react. Most of the damage being done by the Coronavirus is being done by people talking about it and over-reacting. Contrast this with how well the world handled the flu pandemic of 1918. The stock market in the USA actually only dropped about 5% that year.
To put things into perspective, the 1918 flu killed about 50,000,000 people out of 1.6 billion. Today, that would be proportional to a virus killing about 215 million people worldwide. That sounds like it would be devastating, except if there was no global market crash in 1918, there is certainly no reason for us to panic and create one today.
We need to stop panicking, stoically let the virus run its course and keep working or we might suffer an economic depression.
I think there's a happy medium between "do absolutely nothing about the virus and just keep the economy going", and what we're doing now--which is basically bring the economy to a screeching halt.
IMO we have done TOO much to halt the virus and we're doing untold damage to the economy. It has to be reversed NOW. The economic destruction is moving faster than the virus is spreading.
The virus is spreading very quickly.
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This is bad. This is very bad.
All it shows is that more testing has been done.
The vast majority of people who contract COVID19 will not die and many of them will have symptoms so minor they will not need to seek medical attention
Unfortunately that’s just not the case. Due to lack of testing availability, only the sickest people are tested. As you say, the majority don’t seek medical attention meaning the number is FAR higher.
so what, the number of unreported common colds is also very high. People with few or no symptoms are not going to get tested or report sick.
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you libs keep whining about the lack of test kits. Tell us how the govt should have prepared millions of test kits for a virus that no one even knew would exist.
Unfortunately that’s just not the case. Due to lack of testing availability, only the sickest people are tested. As you say, the majority don’t seek medical attention meaning the number is FAR higher.
so what, the number of unreported common colds is also very high. People with few or no symptoms are not going to get tested or report sick.
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you libs keep whining about the lack of test kits. Tell us how the govt should have prepared millions of test kits for a virus that no one even knew would exist.
Hell man, test kits are just nasal swabs that are no different than those used for the typical influenza.
We had a few months to build up a capacity before it hit us. We are pretty far behind.
Most people who are infected with influenza never get tested , never get a nasal swab. They aren't that ill, most don't go to the doctor, and even those who do are usually not tested. With no cure, supportive and symptomatic care is all that is needed. Making the case "officially" an influenza is no benefit to the patient.
I find it hard to believe there’s still people out there saying this is no big deal. Crazy.
It is a big fucking deal, make no mistake about it. The Obama-Biden Plague is causing devastation worldwide, but thank Almighty God that President Trump and his top advisor on this, Mr. Kushner, are on the job here and have already made tremendous progress toward resolving the issue. Compare and contrast with the failure of the Obama Regime, when B. Hussein O gave the cancer problem to Sleepy Joe to resolve. A total and complete debacle.
You're an idiot.You should call me, sir.I’m concerned that we haven’t bent the curve.
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Look at this and tell me everything is going great. I dare you.
EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT
Assuming that the chart has a solid scientific basis, and that's a big if ,
the chart does NOT differentiate between those individuals who are actually infected with the NEW - weaponized - strain - and those who acquired immunity because like me - they are old farts who sometime in our lives were exposed to the coronavirus.
So stop disinforming and eat your checkers.
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There is no natural immunity. It's a novel virus, dope.
Excuse me Dingle Berry, may I call you DB?
Corona viruses are not new. They were first identified as RNA viruses in 1970.
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Covid-19 is new, dope. Hence the term, novel.
Excuse me DB, Sir
Provide a link showing that Covid-19 is not a member of the coronavirus family and that the present tests can distinguish the different coronavirus strains.
I won't hold my breath.
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