we need to repeal Obamacare and replace it with Medicare For All, my friends

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What i'm saying is the brain dead asume because it is called democratic socialism that it is socialism ,
[/QUOTE]

it is socialism and Sanders says so. He says he is not a capitalist and has supported communist causes all his life!!! What don't you understand????????

 

[jbander]

He is a democratic socialist and that is as socialistic

so its just coincidental that Hitler, Stalin,& Sanders self-describe as socialists and both want massive central govt control of everything? Sanders wants the Green New Deal. He also said:
"You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants when children are hungry in this country," Sanders told John Harwood of NBC

Do you think Sanders wants control of only of energy and deodorant industries? Coincidence he honeymooned in Stalin's USSR.

In 1980 he was an “elector” in the Socialist Workers Party (founded by communists expelled from Russia for supporting Leon Trotsky). HItler Stalin Mao Sanders- 4 peas in the Democratic pod.
[/QUOTE]Stupid test , there is no socialism or communism in this country. Only in the minds of the hate group the right calls a party but they have to make up their own definition of socialism and communism to make it so, but these stupid people don't realise that it already has a definition and that definition says and shows how stupid their definitions are.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The nazi party was called a socialist party and there is no way that it was a socialist

oh right, and Stalin Mao Pol Pot and Castro are not socialist either????????????????????

 

[Sunsettommy]

They can farm out of the work to a third party, but CMS is running the program, as they are the only one with that power given to them by act of Congress. CMS, not Private Insurance is in control of Medicare.

Nope. Congress actually deliberately stipulated that private insurance contractors would administer the program and be responsible for settling claims. Again, do some reading:

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

Already pointed out that YOUR article posted ZERO evidence to back it up, you never came back to post evidence to back it up, now you repeat the evidence free article.....

Evidence free? The quote comes from a site called "medicareadvocacy.org". This is from a group that supports Medicare. What incentive do they have to lie?? And you're free to search on it yourself to find contradictory information. Look up MAC's and how Medicare contracting works. Or don't, because it contradict your delusions - and that wouldn't do at all!

Meanwhile I keep showing you over and over that the ONLY way you can get Medicare benefits is through CMS...

So the fuck what? Why do you think that makes ANY difference? The point that I and the other poster are making is that private insurance companies are still profiting from the arrangement - even moreso than they do in the open market. Progressives are kidding themselves when they believe that M4A will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Instead, it will give them a permanent seat at the table.

No they made a bunch of assertions, but ZERO reference to rules, laws and so fourth in their article.

You do understand what I am talking about?

 

[dblack]

What i'm saying is the brain dead asume because it is called democratic socialism that it is socialism.

If what you advocate isn't actually socialism, why have socialism in the name?? Seems kinda dumb.

But that's not what I've seen. Democratic socialism is, decidedly, socialism. Do you agree with the Democratic Socialists of America? Here's what they have to say on the matter:

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

That sure sounds like socialism to me. What am I missing?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The nazi part is called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party"

yes, so you are pretending the socialist is there just by coincidence!! Maybe you didn't like Hitler's socialist scheme for wielding govt power but did you like Stalin Mao Pol Pot Castro??

 

[dblack]

They can farm out of the work to a third party, but CMS is running the program, as they are the only one with that power given to them by act of Congress. CMS, not Private Insurance is in control of Medicare.

Nope. Congress actually deliberately stipulated that private insurance contractors would administer the program and be responsible for settling claims. Again, do some reading:

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

Already pointed out that YOUR article posted ZERO evidence to back it up, you never came back to post evidence to back it up, now you repeat the evidence free article.....

Evidence free? The quote comes from a site called "medicareadvocacy.org". This is from a group that supports Medicare. What incentive do they have to lie?? And you're free to search on it yourself to find contradictory information. Look up MAC's and how Medicare contracting works. Or don't, because it contradict your delusions - and that wouldn't do at all!

Meanwhile I keep showing you over and over that the ONLY way you can get Medicare benefits is through CMS...

So the fuck what? Why do you think that makes ANY difference? The point that I and the other poster are making is that private insurance companies are still profiting from the arrangement - even moreso than they do in the open market. Progressives are kidding themselves when they believe that M4A will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Instead, it will give them a permanent seat at the table.

No they made a bunch of assertions, but ZERO reference to rules, laws and so fourth in their article.

You do understand what I am talking about?

Yeah. I think I see the problem. You're in denial because you've built up some convictions based on falsehoods - and that can be painful to acknowledge.

I'm not going to spoon feed you the truth. If you don't have the gumption to investigate it yourself, no amount of links and quotes will convince you. But I suppose it's easier that way.

 

[debbiedowner]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .

Man you have a hard time getting it,NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest.

Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that. All I do is show the Medicare card to a health provider, there are no names of Insurance companies on the card, it actually states MEDICARE Health Insurance at the top of the freaking card! just the Part A and Part B status and account number, that's it. CMS is running the program, not any insurance companies.

This quote is from an Insurance company who understand this far better than you do. The link YOU chose to ignore which is why you keep stumbling around the Insurance company is doing it all confusion.

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

bolding mine

CMS is running the insurance coverage for Medicare programs, not the Insurance companies themselves. That is the distinction you fail to understand over and over......

You finally get it?

Your a total wacko, From you "NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest., I never argued against any part of this crap you posted , your fucking making it up . I said all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid. I said none of the bullshit you are saying that I said . Your full of shit ace . You trying to blow smoke up everyone ass here. You got nothing but cut and paste.

Ha ha ha,

You have NOT posted a single FUCKIN evidence based link to back up your claims, I posted straight from the HHS website, posted frim the CMS website, posted from Wikipedia, quoted from those two sites and from an insurance website.

You keep ignoring the quotes over and over.

CMS

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards. In addition to these programs, CMS has other responsibilities, including the administrative simplification standards from the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), quality standards in long-term care facilities (more commonly referred to as nursing homes) through its survey and certification process, clinical laboratory quality standards under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments, and oversight of HealthCare.gov. CMS was previously known as the Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA) until 2001"

======

CMS homepage

"We pledge to put patients first in all of our programs – Medicaid, Medicare, and the Health Insurance Exchanges. To do this, we must empower patients to work with their doctors and make health care decisions that are best for them.

This means giving them meaningful information about quality and costs to be active health care consumers. It also includes supporting innovative approaches to improving quality, accessibility, and affordability, while finding the best ways to use innovative technology to support patient-centered care.

But we can’t and we don’t do all of this alone. Learn more about how we are working together to ensure all patients get the very best health care."

======

Insurance company

"HelloMedicare™, a web- and phone-based insurance portal, is provided by Golden Outlook, a California resident licensed insurance agency (license #0E97515), also licensed as a nonresident insurance agency, or otherwise authorized to transact business as an insurance agency, in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Golden Outlook works with Medicare enrollees to explain Medicare Advantage, Medicare Supplement Insurance, and Prescription Drug Plan options."

===

Medicare 101:
How Medicare Works

Medicare Defined: Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B.

Medicare 101:


There are four parts of Medicare. Each one helps pay for different health care costs.
Part A helps pay for hospital and facility costs. This includes things like a shared hospital room, meals and nurse care. It can also help cover the cost of hospice, home health care and skilled nursing facilities.
Part B helps pay for medical costs. This is care that happens outside of a hospital. It includes things like doctor visits and outpatient procedures. It also covers some preventive care, like flu shots.
Parts A and B together are called Original Medicare. These two parts are run by the federal government. Find out more about what Original Medicare covers in our Help Center.
Part C helps pay for hospital and medical costs, plus more. Part C plans are only available through private health insurance companies. They’re called Medicare Advantage plans. They cover everything Parts A and B cover, plus more. They usually cover more of the costs you’d have to pay for out of pocket with Medicare Parts A and B. Part C plans put a limit on what you pay out of pocket in a given year, too. Some of these plans cover preventive dental, vision and hearing costs. Original Medicare doesn’t.
You can see a list of the Medicare Advantage plans we offer and what they cover.
Part D helps pay for prescription drugs. Part D plans are only available through private health insurance companies. They’re called prescription drug plans. They cover commonly used brand-name and generic drugs. Some plans cover more drugs than others.
You can read about our prescription drug plans and what they cover. Many Medicare Advantage plans include Part D prescription drug plans built right into them.

 

[jbander]

I said all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid.

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .

Man you have a hard time getting it,NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest.

Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that. All I do is show the Medicare card to a health provider, there are no names of Insurance companies on the card, it actually states MEDICARE Health Insurance at the top of the freaking card! just the Part A and Part B status and account number, that's it. CMS is running the program, not any insurance companies.

This quote is from an Insurance company who understand this far better than you do. The link YOU chose to ignore which is why you keep stumbling around the Insurance company is doing it all confusion.

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

bolding mine

CMS is running the insurance coverage for Medicare programs, not the Insurance companies themselves. That is the distinction you fail to understand over and over......

You finally get it?

Your a total wacko, From you "NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest., I never argued against any part of this crap you posted , your fucking making it up . I said all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid. I said none of the bullshit you are saying that I said . Your full of shit ace . You trying to blow smoke up everyone ass here. You got nothing but cut and paste.

Ha ha ha,

You have NOT posted a single FUCKIN evidence based link to back up your claims, I posted straight from the HHS website, posted frim the CMS website, posted from Wikipedia, quoted from those two sites and from an insurance website.

You keep ignoring the quotes over and over.

CMS

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards. In addition to these programs, CMS has other responsibilities, including the administrative simplification standards from the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), quality standards in long-term care facilities (more commonly referred to as nursing homes) through its survey and certification process, clinical laboratory quality standards under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments, and oversight of HealthCare.gov. CMS was previously known as the Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA) until 2001"

======

CMS homepage

"We pledge to put patients first in all of our programs – Medicaid, Medicare, and the Health Insurance Exchanges. To do this, we must empower patients to work with their doctors and make health care decisions that are best for them.

This means giving them meaningful information about quality and costs to be active health care consumers. It also includes supporting innovative approaches to improving quality, accessibility, and affordability, while finding the best ways to use innovative technology to support patient-centered care.

But we can’t and we don’t do all of this alone. Learn more about how we are working together to ensure all patients get the very best health care."

======

Insurance company

"HelloMedicare™, a web- and phone-based insurance portal, is provided by Golden Outlook, a California resident licensed insurance agency (license #0E97515), also licensed as a nonresident insurance agency, or otherwise authorized to transact business as an insurance agency, in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Golden Outlook works with Medicare enrollees to explain Medicare Advantage, Medicare Supplement Insurance, and Prescription Drug Plan options."

===

Medicare 101:
How Medicare Works

Medicare Defined: Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B.

I think people have your number , tell us all what I said other then the fact that all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid and that they insure no one on medicare or medicare unless its a paid for supplement plan. So you are saying these point are wrong , if so I can give you the source , or if you agree with what I said then your just blowing smoke up everyone's ass . It's the second part isn't it. Your such a bullshitter. Ok tell me I am wrong. That the two point I made aren't true , you have been cornered ace , what will it be, change the subject to all the bullshit about your posts which don't have nothing to do with me . Chronic liar just like your God and leader.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

every stat that exist shows you get twice the value per dollar with government medical then doing it

IF true then we should have government food clothing shelter and autos, exactly what socialism demands!! Can it be that this is over your head or do you know it and figure health care is the Trojan Horse that will allow you to treasonously sneek socialism into America??

 

[jbander]

Come on cut and paste , you tell them.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Stupid test , there is no socialism or communism in this country.

Medicare Medicaid and Green New Deal if enough libcommies get elected in November and deodorant industry if somehow Sanders gets elected. Can it be that you are this stupid?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

it already has a definition and that definition says and shows how stupid their definitions are.

why are you so afraid to show us the definition?? Embarrassing!!

Lenin: "The goal of socialism is communism."

 

[dblack]

I said all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid.

That's all insurance companies ever do. Why are you pretending it's any different than employer provided group insurance? All insurance companies do is administer those programs for employers. Same shit, different payer. Except that government is a far more reliable "partner" that business owners. Lobby the right politicians, grease the right palms, and an insurance company can get a permanent, and very profitable, rent-seeking gig "administering" Medicare.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That sure sounds like socialism to me. What am I missing?

Nothing at all!!!

AOC's DSA regards the abolition of capitalism and the realization of socialism as a gradual long-term goal, therefore the organization focuses its immediate political energies on reforms within capitalism that empower working people while decreasing the power of corporations:[114][115][116][117] wiki

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Bsander: "Except that government is a far more reliable "partner" that business owners"

totally stupid of course!! Govt is a bureaucratic monopoly with no incentive to do a good work. A business must offer the best price and quality just to survive under Republican capitalism. Did you ever hear of Cuba/Florida, USA/USSR?? Do you have any idea why Cuba and USSR are/were so poor?????? Any idea at all???????? Notice the way a liberal turns a conservative into a kindergarten teacher??

 

[Andylusion]

I said all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid.

That's all insurance companies ever do. Why are you pretending it's any different than employer provided group insurance? All insurance companies do is administer those programs for employers. Same shit, different payer. Except that government is a far more reliable "partner" that business owners. Lobby the right politicians, grease the right palms, and an insurance company can get a permanent, and very profitable, rent-seeking gig "administering" Medicare.

Well no.... I mean if the employer signs a health insurance contract, they do more than just administer it.

If the there is a claim, the insurance company pays the claim.

So, the way health insurance works, is that the insurance company collects the premiums from the workers, and then uses those premiums to invest into assets that have growth. These can be a mix of bonds, real estate, and commodities, or stock in companies.

Then when you have get cancer or some other health insurance need, the company uses revenue from those assets to pay out those claims.

So the insurance company is collecting premiums, investing, matching actuarial tables. Additionally they are often making service agreements with hospitals and clinics for discounts on care, which is why you have in-network and out-of-network providers that have different prices.

So the insurance companies for employers and for private buyers, are not just administrating the use of insurance, but also investing and funding that care, as well as managing costs and premium payments.

With Medicare, it is entirely different. The insurance company basically does nothing except shuffle papers.

If they collect the medicare payments at all, it is only to pass those payments to the government. Otherwise, it is simply stamping papers and validating claims. That's it. They don't pay for anything. They don't determine costs, or negotiate prices, or anything else.

They stamp papers, and tax payers get screwed over on the costs.

And that's all they do. This is why you can almost start an insurance company with 5 people, and start processing Medicare claims, and earn a good living. (it's not quite that easy, but certainly easier than running full blown insurance).

 

[jbander]

it already has a definition and that definition says and shows how stupid their definitions are.

why are you so afraid to show us the definition?? Embarrassing!!

Lenin: "The goal of socialism is communism."

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .

Man you have a hard time getting it, NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest.

Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that. All I do is show the Medicare card to a health provider, there are no names of Insurance companies on the card, it actually states MEDICARE Health Insurance at the top of the freaking card! just the Part A and Part B status and account number, that's it. CMS is running the program, not any insurance companies.

This quote is from an Insurance company who understand this far better than you do. The link YOU chose to ignore which is why you keep stumbling around the Insurance company is doing it all confusion.

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

bolding mine

CMS is running the insurance coverage for Medicare programs, not the Insurance companies themselves. That is the distinction you fail to understand over and over......

You finally get it?

I think people have your number , tell us all what I said other then the fact that all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid and that they insure no one on medicare or medicare unless its a paid for supplement plan. So you are saying these point are wrong , if so I can give you the source , or if you agree with what I said then your just blowing smoke up everyone's ass . It's the second part isn't it. Your such a bullshitter. Ok tell me I am wrong. That the two point I made aren't true , you have been cornered ace , what will it be, change the subject to all the bullshit about your posts which don't have nothing to do with me . Chronic liar just like your God and leader.

 

[Marion Morrison]

whose with me?

What's the situation in Portugal where you are, faggot?
I am not with you.

 

[jbander]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .

Man you have a hard time getting it, NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest.

Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that. All I do is show the Medicare card to a health provider, there are no names of Insurance companies on the card, it actually states MEDICARE Health Insurance at the top of the freaking card! just the Part A and Part B status and account number, that's it. CMS is running the program, not any insurance companies.

This quote is from an Insurance company who understand this far better than you do. The link YOU chose to ignore which is why you keep stumbling around the Insurance company is doing it all confusion.

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

bolding mine

CMS is running the insurance coverage for Medicare programs, not the Insurance companies themselves. That is the distinction you fail to understand over and over......

You finally get it?

I think people have your number , tell us all what I said other then the fact that all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid and that they insure no one on medicare or medicare unless its a paid for supplement plan. So you are saying these point are wrong , if so I can give you the source , or if you agree with what I said then your just blowing smoke up everyone's ass . It's the second part isn't it. Your such a bullshitter. Ok tell me I am wrong. That the two point I made aren't true , you have been cornered ace , what will it be, change the subject to all the bullshit about your posts which don't have nothing to do with me . Chronic liar just like your God and leader.