we need to repeal Obamacare and replace it with Medicare For All, my friends

[debbiedowner]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

Ace the key word is administer , they insure nothing. unless it'

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

bullshit they insure nothing "The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)" They get paid to administrate medicare and medicaid , that's it ace , exactly what I told you the first time.
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services - Wikipedia. Why is it the ones that know the least claim to be the biggest authority on everything???????

I have from the start stated that it is a Government run insurance program, then I showed hard evidence they do exactly that:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

bolding mine

Have you ever read what Part A and Part B are? The HHS set those up, NOT the insurance companies.

Maybe this will help sweep away your confusion?

There you will learn that Medicare sets it all up for you, all you can do is Chose Plan A, Plan B or more rarely chose Plan C or D, that pretty much it, you NEVER deal with an insurance company at all.

Hello Medicare

LINK

People on Medicare deals with CMS organization, not with insurance companies.

So do you think Part C & D are not part of an insurance program?

 

[debbiedowner]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.

It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.

I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.

That's what I used to think:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...

www.medicareadvocacy.org

But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.

Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.

===

It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.

I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.

I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.

But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.

Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.

All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.

They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.

Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.

What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.

Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.

We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.

He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.

And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?

No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.

Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.

Sigh,

I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!

Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.

I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.

You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .

Neither have YOU or cblack posted any counterpoint to it, just evidence/fact free babble.

Meanwhile I AM ON MEDICARE, have been billed by them, have paid the monthly premium to them. I have never seen an insurance company anywhere in my program.

I don't think you have a clue.

If you are under 60, how are you on Medicare? Shouldn't that be Medicaid?

Probably on SSDI and qualified after 2 years or has ESRD or ALS.

 

[Andylusion]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.

It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.

I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.

That's what I used to think:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...

www.medicareadvocacy.org

But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.

Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.

===

It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.

I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.

I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.

But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.

Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.

All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.

They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.

Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.

What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.

Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.

We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.

He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.

And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?

No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.

Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.

Sigh,

I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!

Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.

I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.

You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .

Neither have YOU or cblack posted any counterpoint to it, just evidence/fact free babble.

Meanwhile I AM ON MEDICARE, have been billed by them, have paid the monthly premium to them. I have never seen an insurance company anywhere in my program.

I don't think you have a clue.

No, you both are actually correct.

You can pay HHS directly for Medicare instead of through an insurance company.

However, what you may not know, is that regardless of whether you specifically have a pass-through company yourself.....

Every Medicare claim is processed by a private insurance company.

When you go to the hospital and file a Medicare claim, that claim is not going directly to HHS. Medicare and Medicaid claims are not processed by HHS directly.

Instead it is going to a private for-profit company, that is processing that claim for Medicare.

There are 22 Million people enrolled in Medicare. HHS only has 80,000 employees. That may seem like a ton, but when you divide it by all the different things HHS covers, only a fraction of those 80 thousand are involved in Medicare, and that's far too few to process the claims of 22 Million people.

It's impossible.

Medicare is in fact, processed through private for-profit companies.

That doesn't mean that you have to have your bills processed through a private company. You can pay your bill directly with the HHS.

But the other poster is in fact correct that Medicare is processed through private companies. This is true.

 

[Sunsettommy]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.

It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.

I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.

That's what I used to think:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...

www.medicareadvocacy.org

But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.

Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.

===

It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.

I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.

I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.

But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.

Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.

All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.

They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.

Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.

What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.

Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.

We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.

He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.

And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?

No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.

Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.

Sigh,

I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!

Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.

I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.

You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .

Neither have YOU or cblack posted any counterpoint to it, just evidence/fact free babble.

Meanwhile I AM ON MEDICARE, have been billed by them, have paid the monthly premium to them. I have never seen an insurance company anywhere in my program.

I don't think you have a clue.

If you are under 60, how are you on Medicare? Shouldn't that be Medicaid?

Disability made me eligible at 58, I was surprised when they did the switcheroo on me.

I am 60 now.

 

[debbiedowner]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.

It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.

I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.

That's what I used to think:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...

www.medicareadvocacy.org

But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.

Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.

===

It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.

I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.

I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.

But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.

Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.

All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.

They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.

Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.

What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.

Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.

We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.

He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.

And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?

No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.

Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.

Sigh,

I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!

Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.

I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.

You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .

Neither have YOU or cblack posted any counterpoint to it, just evidence/fact free babble.

Meanwhile I AM ON MEDICARE, have been billed by them, have paid the monthly premium to them. I have never seen an insurance company anywhere in my program.

I don't think you have a clue.

No, you both are actually correct.

You can pay HHS directly for Medicare instead of through an insurance company.

However, what you may not know, is that regardless of whether you specifically have a pass-through company yourself.....

Every Medicare claim is processed by a private insurance company.

When you go to the hospital and file a Medicare claim, that claim is not going directly to HHS. Medicare and Medicaid claims are not processed by HHS directly.

Instead it is going to a private for-profit company, that is processing that claim for Medicare.

There are 22 Million people enrolled in Medicare. HHS only has 80,000 employees. That may seem like a ton, but when you divide it by all the different things HHS covers, only a fraction of those 80 thousand are involved in Medicare, and that's far too few to process the claims of 22 Million people.

It's impossible.

Medicare is in fact, processed through private for-profit companies.

That doesn't mean that you have to have your bills processed through a private company. You can pay your bill directly with the HHS.

But the other poster is in fact correct that Medicare is processed through private companies. This is true.

There are 44 million enrolled in Medicare and if you're enrolled in Part B everyone is paying the government regardless if you choose Part C or Part D which is written by an insurance company. Approximately 28 million of those on Part C dealing directly with an insurance company.

 

[Sunsettommy]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

===

It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.

It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.

I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.

That's what I used to think:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...

www.medicareadvocacy.org

But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.

Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.

===

It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.

I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.

I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.

But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.

Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.

All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.

They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.

Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.

What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.

Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.

We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.

He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.

And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?

No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.

Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.

Sigh,

I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!

Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.

I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.

You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .

Neither have YOU or cblack posted any counterpoint to it, just evidence/fact free babble.

Meanwhile I AM ON MEDICARE, have been billed by them, have paid the monthly premium to them. I have never seen an insurance company anywhere in my program.

I don't think you have a clue.

No, you both are actually correct.

You can pay HHS directly for Medicare instead of through an insurance company.

However, what you may not know, is that regardless of whether you specifically have a pass-through company yourself.....

Every Medicare claim is processed by a private insurance company.

When you go to the hospital and file a Medicare claim, that claim is not going directly to HHS. Medicare and Medicaid claims are not processed by HHS directly.

Instead it is going to a private for-profit company, that is processing that claim for Medicare.

There are 22 Million people enrolled in Medicare. HHS only has 80,000 employees. That may seem like a ton, but when you divide it by all the different things HHS covers, only a fraction of those 80 thousand are involved in Medicare, and that's far too few to process the claims of 22 Million people.

It's impossible.

Medicare is in fact, processed through private for-profit companies.

That doesn't mean that you have to have your bills processed through a private company. You can pay your bill directly with the HHS.

But the other poster is in fact correct that Medicare is processed through private companies. This is true.

You completely left out this group, the one I keep telling you about that does the work presenting Medicare to eligible people.

CMS

Recall that about FOUR times I posted this quote:

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

boldings mine

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CMS is the ONLY place where you get Medicare started, that is what I have been telling you over and over. Have not argued against Private Insurance role at all, you need to read better.

"Man you have a hard time getting it, NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest.

Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that. All I do is show the Medicare card to a health provider, there are no names of Insurance companies on the card, it actually states MEDICARE Health Insurance at the top of the freaking card! just the Part A and Part B status and account number, that's it. CMS is running the program, not any insurance companies."

They can farm out of the work to a third party, but CMS is running the program, as they are the only one with that power given to them by act of Congress. CMS, not Private Insurance is in control of Medicare.

 

[dblack]

They can farm out of the work to a third party, but CMS is running the program, as they are the only one with that power given to them by act of Congress. CMS, not Private Insurance is in control of Medicare.

Nope. Congress actually deliberately stipulated that private insurance contractors would administer the program and be responsible for settling claims. Again, do some reading:

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

He is a democratic socialist and that is as socialistic
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so its just coincidental that Hitler, Stalin,& Sanders self-describe as socialists and both want massive central govt control of everything? Sanders wants the Green New Deal. He also said:
"You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants when children are hungry in this country," Sanders told John Harwood of NBC

Do you think Sanders wants control of only of energy and deodorant industries? Coincidence he honeymooned in Stalin's USSR.

In 1980 he was an “elector” in the Socialist Workers Party (founded by communists expelled from Russia for supporting Leon Trotsky). HItler Stalin Mao Sanders- 4 peas in the Democratic pod.

 

[Sunsettommy]

They can farm out of the work to a third party, but CMS is running the program, as they are the only one with that power given to them by act of Congress. CMS, not Private Insurance is in control of Medicare.

Nope. Congress actually deliberately stipulated that private insurance contractors would administer the program and be responsible for settling claims. Again, do some reading:

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

Already pointed out that YOUR article posted ZERO evidence to back it up, you never came back to post evidence to back it up, now you repeat the evidence free article.....

Meanwhile I keep showing you over and over that the ONLY way you can get Medicare benefits is through CMS, posted the evidence over and over, you keep ignoring it. My Medicare Account is with CMS, My bills are through CMS, you don't have Medicare thus you never see what really goes on.

A Health care insurance group says,

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

It was CMS who sent me the Medicare card and the link to set up account with them to manage my coverage.

I am done here, not going to continue repeating the evidence over and over that will get ignored.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

one of your groups biggest supporters.

insanity!! Republicans are for cutting govt taxes and regulations and limited govt. LIberals socialists and Nazis are exact opposite. Again, what planet have you been on that you could have missed that?

 

[jbander]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .

Man you have a hard time getting it,NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest.

Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that. All I do is show the Medicare card to a health provider, there are no names of Insurance companies on the card, it actually states MEDICARE Health Insurance at the top of the freaking card! just the Part A and Part B status and account number, that's it. CMS is running the program, not any insurance companies.

This quote is from an Insurance company who understand this far better than you do. The link YOU chose to ignore which is why you keep stumbling around the Insurance company is doing it all confusion.

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

bolding mine

CMS is running the insurance coverage for Medicare programs, not the Insurance companies themselves. That is the distinction you fail to understand over and over......

You finally get it?

Your a total wacko, From you "NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest., I never argued against any part of this crap you posted , your fucking making it up . I said all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid. I said none of the bullshit you are saying that I said . Your full of shit ace . You trying to blow smoke up everyone ass here. You got nothing but cut and paste.

 

[jbander]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .

"Only administer" is all insurance companies ever do. They manage a pool of money created from a group's premiums and process claims. That's exactly what they do for Medicare. Again, if you want to learn about this, the info is out there. (See links and search suggestions above) The only difference between employer provided insurance and Medicare is that government pays the premiums rather than an employer. The insurance companies till perform the same "service" and get paid for it. In fact, they make more money from MACs than they do in the private market, which is no surprise. Government colluding with private business nearly always results in a windfall for business.

The insurance companys don't insure anyone in medicare or medicaid unless it's a advantage plan or supplement that people pay for. I don't give a dam about the rest of the bullshit , it doesn't interest me, that part did. Is everyone here trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass. I'm getting bored

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Nazi's said they were socialist also, it's simply short for National Socialist German Workers' Party

It's simple short for huge liberal central govt whether it is Sanders HItler Stalin Mao Pol Pot Hannibal or George 3. Liberals throughout history always had a new scheme if only we would give them absolute power to do what is good for us. Our Founders had a better idea : freedom from liberals with schemes for a huge central govt.

Welcome to your first lesson in American History.

 

[jbander]

So everyone that says they are 'stuck' on government programs, needs to remember the entire reason there is no better options, is because of those government programs.

And of course being "stuck" on government programs means you're in crosshairs for more sticking every single election. There's a cruel, but utterly just, irony in watching Democrats complain about how Trump is fucking up everyone's health insurance. Did they never consider this possibility when the were campaigning to have government take over health insurance in the first place???

They didn't give enough of it to the government , every stat that exist shows you get twice the value per dollar with government medical then doing it this fucked up way they do now, single payer would be just fine with me.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Love it your willingness to hang onto your lies

Trust me; its no lie; Sanders did honeymoon in Stalin's USSR, he does want communist control of industry, and in 1980 he was an “elector” in the Socialist Workers Party (founded by communists expelled from Russia for supporting Leon Trotsky).

Why cant you be honest with yourself and admit you are socialist/communist fellow traveler?

 

[dblack]

They can farm out of the work to a third party, but CMS is running the program, as they are the only one with that power given to them by act of Congress. CMS, not Private Insurance is in control of Medicare.

Nope. Congress actually deliberately stipulated that private insurance contractors would administer the program and be responsible for settling claims. Again, do some reading:

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

Already pointed out that YOUR article posted ZERO evidence to back it up, you never came back to post evidence to back it up, now you repeat the evidence free article.....

Evidence free? The quote comes from a site called "medicareadvocacy.org". This is from a group that supports Medicare. What incentive do they have to lie?? And you're free to search on it yourself to find contradictory information. Look up MAC's and how Medicare contracting works. Or don't, because it contradict your delusions - and that wouldn't do at all!

Meanwhile I keep showing you over and over that the ONLY way you can get Medicare benefits is through CMS...

So the fuck what? Why do you think that makes ANY difference? The point that I and the other poster are making is that private insurance companies are still profiting from the arrangement - even moreso than they do in the open market. Progressives are kidding themselves when they believe that M4A will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Instead, it will give them a permanent seat at the table.

 

[dblack]

So everyone that says they are 'stuck' on government programs, needs to remember the entire reason there is no better options, is because of those government programs.

And of course being "stuck" on government programs means you're in crosshairs for more sticking every single election. There's a cruel, but utterly just, irony in watching Democrats complain about how Trump is fucking up everyone's health insurance. Did they never consider this possibility when the were campaigning to have government take over health insurance in the first place???

They didn't give enough of it to the government , every stat that exist shows you get twice the value per dollar with government medical then doing it this fucked up way they do now, single payer would be just fine with me.

wow.... "Dr. Trump will see you now"

 

[jbander]

one of your groups biggest supporters.

insanity!! Republicans are for cutting govt taxes and regulations and limited govt. LIberals socialists and Nazis are exact opposite. Again, what planet have you been on that you could have missed that?

What i'm saying is the brain dead asume because it is called democratic socialism that it is socialism , The nazi party was called a socialist party and there is no way that it was a socialist The nazi part is called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" now did you understand . God what a bunch of goofballs here. Ones cut and paste making up things I said one has no clue and you can't understand the simplest of comments.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Me doing this is like taking your most important toy away. This is a hoot, love it.

You mean Sanders did not honeymoon in Stalin's USSR or say about difference between himself and Warren( when Elizabeth Warren was hot during primaries), "she has said she is a capitalist to her bones, I am not."

 

[Sunsettommy]

dblack writes:

"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."

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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

Bullshit, they insure nothing.

Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."

LINK

That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .

Man you have a hard time getting it,NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest.

Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that. All I do is show the Medicare card to a health provider, there are no names of Insurance companies on the card, it actually states MEDICARE Health Insurance at the top of the freaking card! just the Part A and Part B status and account number, that's it. CMS is running the program, not any insurance companies.

This quote is from an Insurance company who understand this far better than you do. The link YOU chose to ignore which is why you keep stumbling around the Insurance company is doing it all confusion.

"Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B. It is CMS who makes the offer to seniors who are eligible."

bolding mine

CMS is running the insurance coverage for Medicare programs, not the Insurance companies themselves. That is the distinction you fail to understand over and over......

You finally get it?

Your a total wacko, From you "NEVER once did I say Insurance companies are not involved, What I keep telling you repeatedly is that HHS is running the entire Medicare program FOR those who are eligible, the plans, the premiums, the coverage. All eligible members does, is chose Plan A, B, C or D that's it, CMS does the rest., I never argued against any part of this crap you posted , your fucking making it up . I said all the insurance company's do is administer the programs for medicare and medicaid. I said none of the bullshit you are saying that I said . Your full of shit ace . You trying to blow smoke up everyone ass here. You got nothing but cut and paste.

Ha ha ha,

You have NOT posted a single FUCKIN evidence based link to back up your claims, I posted straight from the HHS website, posted frim the CMS website, posted from Wikipedia, quoted from those two sites and from an insurance website.

You keep ignoring the quotes over and over.

CMS

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards. In addition to these programs, CMS has other responsibilities, including the administrative simplification standards from the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), quality standards in long-term care facilities (more commonly referred to as nursing homes) through its survey and certification process, clinical laboratory quality standards under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments, and oversight of HealthCare.gov. CMS was previously known as the Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA) until 2001"

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CMS homepage

"We pledge to put patients first in all of our programs – Medicaid, Medicare, and the Health Insurance Exchanges. To do this, we must empower patients to work with their doctors and make health care decisions that are best for them.

This means giving them meaningful information about quality and costs to be active health care consumers. It also includes supporting innovative approaches to improving quality, accessibility, and affordability, while finding the best ways to use innovative technology to support patient-centered care.

But we can’t and we don’t do all of this alone. Learn more about how we are working together to ensure all patients get the very best health care."

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Insurance company

"HelloMedicare™, a web- and phone-based insurance portal, is provided by Golden Outlook, a California resident licensed insurance agency (license #0E97515), also licensed as a nonresident insurance agency, or otherwise authorized to transact business as an insurance agency, in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Golden Outlook works with Medicare enrollees to explain Medicare Advantage, Medicare Supplement Insurance, and Prescription Drug Plan options."

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Medicare 101:
How Medicare Works

Medicare Defined: Medicare is a federal program that offers health insurance to American citizens and other eligible individuals. The program is often called Original Medicare. It has two parts—Part A and Part B.