We Knew this was coming.

[gallantwarrior]

If a woman has good stamina, she can lift her weapons and other load, walk all day long, can handle combat stress and is proficient in using her weapons and tools then she is qualified for infantry role. I know it may hurt the ego of some men but that is not the problem of women.

But do not lower the standard requirements. There are women out there who could qualify under the higher standards. In that case, they should be permitted to make the choice. But they should also be aware of the hazards.

 

[Vikrant]

If a woman has good stamina, she can lift her weapons and other load, walk all day long, can handle combat stress and is proficient in using her weapons and tools then she is qualified for infantry role. I know it may hurt the ego of some men but that is not the problem of women.

But do not lower the standard requirements. There are women out there who could qualify under the higher standards. In that case, they should be permitted to make the choice. But they should also be aware of the hazards.

Absolutely. If they want to be soldiers they have to take the heat.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If a woman has good stamina, she can lift her weapons and other load, walk all day long, can handle combat stress and is proficient in using her weapons and tools then she is qualified for infantry role. I know it may hurt the ego of some men but that is not the problem of women.

Combat is not just taking a rifle and pointing it and firing a few rounds hoping to hit something.how about hand to hand combat, that still exist

 

[Kondor3]

If a woman has good stamina, she can lift her weapons and other load, walk all day long, can handle combat stress and is proficient in using her weapons and tools then she is qualified for infantry role. I know it may hurt the ego of some men but that is not the problem of women.

The average woman - conditioned and prepared and trained for hand-to-hand combat cannot defeat and kill the average man - identically conditioned and prepared and trained.

We're not talking about the oddballs and exceptions here - we're talking about averages - the norm.

It is the 'average' pool from which the lion's share of our warriors are drawn.

This is a non-starter from Day One, and it risks getting a lot of Good Guys killed.

Not that I actually GET a vote, but I vote 'No ******* Way".

Progressive-ism has its place and can be a necessary and good thing in a number of contexts.

In this particular matter the Progressive perspective is naive and dangerous and needs to be ignored for the foolhardy childishness that it is.

 

[Vikrant]

I am not naive. I understand that being a woman imposes all sorts of limitation on a soldier. But if a woman wants to be a soldier and if she qualifies and understands that she may have to go days without shaving her legs, let her be what she wants to be. That is all I am saying.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Days without shaving her legs? You think that's a hardship?

I had women in my signal Platoon who went on training exercises where they were lucky to get a shower once a week.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I am not naive. I understand that being a woman imposes all sorts of limitation on a soldier. But if a woman wants to be a soldier and if she qualifies and understands that she may have to go days without shaving her legs, let her be what she wants to be. That is all I am saying.

I want to be the first man on mars but that ain't happening, because I'm not capible of doing the things required to do that, without lowering the standards.
Should they?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Days without shaving her legs? You think that's a hardship?

I had women in my signal Platoon who went on training exercises where they were lucky to get a shower once a week.

When I was in Germany, my last year there I had a female flight commander (a Captain). We were on a training exercise our position was being over run she got in her vehicle and ran away. True story.

 

[Vikrant]

Days without shaving her legs? You think that's a hardship?

I had women in my signal Platoon who went on training exercises where they were lucky to get a shower once a week.

When I was in Germany, my last year there I had a female flight commander (a Captain). We were on a training exercise our position was being over run she got in her vehicle and ran away. True story.

I find it hard to believe that a captain (even a female) would run away from her position in a training exercise.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Days without shaving her legs? You think that's a hardship?

I had women in my signal Platoon who went on training exercises where they were lucky to get a shower once a week.

When I was in Germany, my last year there I had a female flight commander (a Captain). We were on a training exercise our position was being over run she got in her vehicle and ran away. True story.

I find it hard to believe that a captain (even a female) would run away from her position in a training exercise.

I really don't care what you find hard to believe it happen.

 

[Kondor3]

I am not naive. I understand that being a woman imposes all sorts of limitation on a soldier. But if a woman wants to be a soldier and if she qualifies and understands that she may have to go days without shaving her legs, let her be what she wants to be. That is all I am saying.

Easy to say, because it won't be your ass on-the-line, when she learns about Reality the hard way. It will be her ass, and the ass of the poor bastard next to her, after you saddled him with her.

 

[Edgetho]

I am not naive. I understand that being a woman imposes all sorts of limitation on a soldier. But if a woman wants to be a soldier and if she qualifies and understands that she may have to go days without shaving her legs, let her be what she wants to be. That is all I am saying.

Easy to say, because it won't be your ass on-the-line, when she learns about Reality the hard way. It will be her ass, and the ass of the poor bastard next to her, after you saddled him with her.

I have been in combat. Many times.

And I will tell you this; I would NOT want a female soldier in combat with me.

The people who do, are just talking out of their asses. dimocraps, mostly. The absolute scum of the Earth.

In an earlier thread, I pointed out where women would be extremely useful in operations at the front in a non-combat role..... Especially when we have to work with women of other cultures. Like when we're liberating a Village.

The people of that Village, especially the women, will be scared shitless and having an American Woman around would help calm their nerves.

When a man's wife, daughters, mothers and sisters get really nervous and really afraid..... So do they. If having an American woman at the front to help deal with the indigenous women of the area would help matters (it would) then I'm all for it.

But having women, full time, in a combat unit that would be in combat most of the time?

Mental masturbation on th epart of dimocrap scum.

One thing we can be sure of, when good men die because of their idiocy, it won't be one of them.

They'll be hiding in the rear, talking shit.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Days without shaving her legs? You think that's a hardship?

I had women in my signal Platoon who went on training exercises where they were lucky to get a shower once a week.

When I was in Germany, my last year there I had a female flight commander (a Captain). We were on a training exercise our position was being over run she got in her vehicle and ran away. True story.

That in no way reflects on her as a woman, it does make her one helluva coward, though. It's not like men haven't done that very same thing. When I was 1SG, the second CO I had was on his last chance. He had done exactly that same thing during Desert Storm, ran away from the action after the vehicle in front of his came under attack. He eventually stepped in some PC bullshit sufficiently to be asked to resign. But that's a long story, best left for another time.

 

[gallantwarrior]

When I was in Germany, my last year there I had a female flight commander (a Captain). We were on a training exercise our position was being over run she got in her vehicle and ran away. True story.

I find it hard to believe that a captain (even a female) would run away from her position in a training exercise.

I really don't care what you find hard to believe it happen.

Maybe she realized she was going to miss her hair dresser's appointment?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Probably broke a nail......

 

[Edgetho]

Here's something else the average civilian/REMF isn't aware of......

It's tough losing people in battle. Real tough. Tougher than you can possibly imagine.

Think about that while I present this next thought to you.......

Men, REAL Men, are naturally protective of women. I am. I can't be in the same with a woman who is in pain. Unless I have to be, then I can, I guess. I won't like it, though

I can't stand to see a woman cry. Tears me up inside. I don't like it. It causes feelings in me to surface that I don't know how to handle or what to think of them.

Now think about Combat.

Know what happens in Combat boys and girls?

People get hurt in Combat. Badly hurt. I mean, horribly, gruesomely, ugly, bloody hurt.

And they sometimes die in horrible, gruesome, bloody and ugly ways.

You take a cute Female SGT E-5 that half the Platoon has a crush on and if she is one of the fallen? One of the ones to get terribly hurt? Know what that does to Unit Morale?

It's hard enough to keep a fighting Unit's Morale up. You put women in Combat MOS's and watch them die or get horribly wounded, and it might just become impossible.

You people need to defer things like this to people like me who have been there.

You can't learn about Combat from a book or TV Movie.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Here's something else the average civilian/REMF isn't aware of......

It's tough losing people in battle. Real tough. Tougher than you can possibly imagine.

Think about that while I present this next thought to you.......

Men, REAL Men, are naturally protective of women. I am. I can't be in the same with a woman who is in pain. Unless I have to be, then I can, I guess. I won't like it, though

I can't stand to see a woman cry. Tears me up inside. I don't like it. It causes feelings in me to surface that I don't know how to handle or what to think of them.

Now think about Combat.

Know what happens in Combat boys and girls?

People get hurt in Combat. Badly hurt. I mean, horribly, gruesomely, ugly, bloody hurt.

And they sometimes die in horrible, gruesome, bloody and ugly ways.

You take a cute Female SGT E-5 that half the Platoon has a crush on and if she is one of the fallen? One of the ones to get terribly hurt? Know what that does to Unit Morale?

It's hard enough to keep a fighting Unit's Morale up. You put women in Combat MOS's and watch them die or get horribly wounded, and it might just become impossible.

You people need to defer things like this to people like me who have been there.

You can't learn about Combat from a book or TV Movie.

It's probably better if the guys are fighting to protect the women back home.
I have to say this, though, I'm not convinced we should be risking any American life and limb in the places and ways we do so currently. It is sometimes very difficult for folks to make the connection between where we are and what we are doing with protecting the family back home.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Days without shaving her legs? You think that's a hardship?

I had women in my signal Platoon who went on training exercises where they were lucky to get a shower once a week.

When I was in Germany, my last year there I had a female flight commander (a Captain). We were on a training exercise our position was being over run she got in her vehicle and ran away. True story.

That in no way reflects on her as a woman, it does make her one helluva coward, though. It's not like men haven't done that very same thing. When I was 1SG, the second CO I had was on his last chance. He had done exactly that same thing during Desert Storm, ran away from the action after the vehicle in front of his came under attack. He eventually stepped in some PC bullshit sufficiently to be asked to resign. But that's a long story, best left for another time.

This was war games no one was going to get hurt, imagine if real bullets were being fired.

 

[MikeK]

It's probably better if the guys are fighting to protect the women back home.

I have to say this, though, I'm not convinced we should be risking any American life and limb in the places and ways we do so currently. It is sometimes very difficult for folks to make the connection between where we are and what we are doing with protecting the family back home.

Especially when there is no connection -- as in Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, and Afghanistan. In all of these wholly unnecessary conflicts the lives and well-being of our troops were wasted, as were phenomenal amounts of our treasure and national reputation. All in the interest of enriching the Military Industrial Complex and the corrupt politicians who facilitate it.

 

[Iceman]

And people wonder why the Taliban is winning...