We Knew this was coming.

[bigrebnc1775]

Women have changed. I remember in the 90s women used to have hard time lifting TVs and stuff like that. That is not the case anymore I see them working with weights in the gym that are pretty impressive even from men's standard. I see them lifting heavy items. Their attitude has changed.

Women have not physically changed.

In my observation they have. This realization is recent for me and it happened at a gym when I noticed a girl who was working out next to me. Afterward I started paying attention and I realized that the current generation of girls in their 20s are not shy of flexing their muscles. They are not apologetic about their diet and strength.

Are you really going with that? Woman have not physically changed they are not stronger than men no matter how much they flex their tiny little muscles in front of you.

 

[Kondor3]

"...In my observation they have. This realization is recent for me and it happened at a gym when I noticed a girl who was working out next to me. Afterward I started paying attention and I realized that the current generation of girls in their 20s are not shy of flexing their muscles. They are not apologetic about their diet and strength."

I don't mean to be unkind here but your recent personal observations and conclusions while working-out in a local gym are not the substance by which nations alter critical defense and armed-forces policy, with lives and confidence at-stake, nor are they the stuff by which we set aside 3,000,000 years of human evolution and its resulting realities.

 

[Vikrant]

Women have not physically changed.

In my observation they have. This realization is recent for me and it happened at a gym when I noticed a girl who was working out next to me. Afterward I started paying attention and I realized that the current generation of girls in their 20s are not shy of flexing their muscles. They are not apologetic about their diet and strength.

Are you really going with that? Woman have not physically changed they are not stronger than men no matter how much they flex their tiny little muscles in front of you.

Well, I do not have a very strong desire to see women in combat. For the major part of my life, I held the belief that they (women) were significantly weaker than men. However, it has become harder for me to maintain that belief based on my recent observation of younger generation of women. When I was in my 20s, I did not recall seeing any women in my Jiu Jitsu classes but now a days I see lots of them. Some of them are even eager to spar with men. I see them in gyms working with weights that are even difficult for average men. You have to be a blind person to not see the change. The driving force behind this change does not come from some sort of genetic mutation that made them physically stronger; it comes from a change in the attitude. They have two choices in the life: a) resign to being weak and be dependent on men b) be strong and take charge of their destiny. They seem to be picking the latter option.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

In my observation they have. This realization is recent for me and it happened at a gym when I noticed a girl who was working out next to me. Afterward I started paying attention and I realized that the current generation of girls in their 20s are not shy of flexing their muscles. They are not apologetic about their diet and strength.

Are you really going with that? Woman have not physically changed they are not stronger than men no matter how much they flex their tiny little muscles in front of you.

Well, I do not have a very strong desire to see women in combat. For the major part of my life, I held the belief that they (women) were significantly weaker than men. However, it has become harder for me to maintain that belief based on my recent observation of younger generation of women. When I was in my 20s, I did not recall seeing any women in my Jiu Jitsu classes but now a days I see lots of them. Some of them are even eager to spar with men. I see them in gyms working with weights that are even difficult for average men. You have to be a blind person to not see the change. The driving force behind this change does not come from some sort of genetic mutation that made them physically stronger; it comes from a change in the attitude. They have two choices in the life: a) resign to being weak and be dependent on men b) be strong and take charge of their destiny. They seem to be picking the latter option.

Why can't women play professional NFL football?

 

[gallantwarrior]

[...]

The bottom line is political correctness has no place in this issue. While there are occasional exceptions, women in general are not designed by Nature to contend with men in kill-or-be-killed confrontations. And that's what men love about them.

I beg to differ. Some of the toughest troops I've ever encountered we're women. [...]

That is quite a statement.

I can't challenge it with any authority because my military experience took place at a different time in America. And what you've said is American men are not what they were in my time -- and my father's time. I suggest what our troops are facing today is very different from what our troops faced on Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, The Bulge, and the jungles of Viet Nam.

I'm thinking your reference might be the kind of warfare which is common to our combat actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, which typically involve well-rested patrols who depart from a base in the morning, engage significantly inferior adversaries, and return to base at night if they don't trigger an IED. I'm wondering how these "combat ready" women would deal with Russian troops under sustained (weeks/months) field operations.

So essentially we are talking about a different time and vastly different circumstances. And the problem is these circumstances are subject to change and our contemporary military could encounter well-trained, well-equipped troops rather than cucumber farmers with AK-47s, wearing pajamas and sneakers.

I'm not sure when you served, or how long. I retired in 1994. My "combat" experience was gained mostly because I was involved investigating terrorist attacks. Totally different kind of terrorist than we encounter in the Middle East, though. Just as the troops we encounter over there are much different from the Viet Namese and Koreans my father encountered. As proved in our own Revolutionary War, even the most well organized, well trained, well disciplined military force is no match for local guerilla fighters. We should have paid attention to the ass-kicking the Soviets got when they tried moving into the ME.

Most of my current information comes from my daughter and my SIL, who is going through Special Forces training right now. He's a combat animal, through-and-through. He has little complimentary to say about the women he encounters, but he does tend to drag his knuckles and beat his chest a lot. And for every woman like my 89 lb example, I worked with 100's who were perhaps good at their jobs but not really combat material. But then, I've come across lots of men who were not combat material, either.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Life is not made up like GI Jane.

Quite right.

Back in 1957 or '58 (while I was stationed on Okinawa), in response to a political issue concerning the draft and women serving in the military, the Marine Corps experimentally ran women through the standard Parris Island boot camp program. Not one of them got past the sixth week of the thirteen week regimen. They could not endure forced marches. They could not get through the obstacle courses. A substantial number of them "cracked" from the brutally intense psychological stress. I recall the Commandant at the time, Brig. General Larsen, said "under no circumstances will Women Marines be assigned to (combat) line companies!"

What most people don't realize is Parris Island is thirteen solid weeks of continuous, constant, uninterrupted, increasingly intensified pressure, from reveille to taps, seven days a week, from day one to graduation. There are no breaks. No relief. Its main objective is to determine if recruits are able to withstand the pressure and demands of sustained combat conditions. While there are exceptions, women generally cannot because they are designed by Nature to perform a very different function.

OK, that answers at least one of my questions. You are around the same age cohort as my father. And a Marine to boot (Dad was a 26 yr veteran when he retired.)
You might be disappointed to know that nowadays, the trainees are issued a "stress card" that they can display whenever they feel stressed. They get a "time-out" to regroup before being further exposed to whatever training "stressed" them. That's one reason my SIL wanted to be Special Forces, because they don't play that stupid, ***** shit.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Life is not made up like GI Jane.

Quite right.

Back in 1957 or '58 (while I was stationed on Okinawa), in response to a political issue concerning the draft and women serving in the military, the Marine Corps experimentally ran women through the standard Parris Island boot camp program. Not one of them got past the sixth week of the thirteen week regimen. They could not endure forced marches. They could not get through the obstacle courses. A substantial number of them "cracked" from the brutally intense psychological stress. I recall the Commandant at the time, Brig. General Larsen, said "under no circumstances will Women Marines be assigned to (combat) line companies!"

What most people don't realize is Parris Island is thirteen solid weeks of continuous, constant, uninterrupted, increasingly intensified pressure, from reveille to taps, seven days a week, from day one to graduation. There are no breaks. No relief. Its main objective is to determine if recruits are able to withstand the pressure and demands of sustained combat conditions. While there are exceptions, women generally cannot because they are designed by Nature to perform a very different function.

Women have changed. I remember in the 90s women used to have hard time lifting TVs and stuff like that. That is not the case anymore I see them working with weights in the gym that are pretty impressive even from men's standard. I see them lifting heavy items. Their attitude has changed.

Some have.

 

[gallantwarrior]

"...In my observation they have. This realization is recent for me and it happened at a gym when I noticed a girl who was working out next to me. Afterward I started paying attention and I realized that the current generation of girls in their 20s are not shy of flexing their muscles. They are not apologetic about their diet and strength."

I don't mean to be unkind here but your recent personal observations and conclusions while working-out in a local gym are not the substance by which nations alter critical defense and armed-forces policy, with lives and confidence at-stake, nor are they the stuff by which we set aside 3,000,000 years of human evolution and its resulting realities.

Well, like so many government actions, allowing women into combat has loads more to do with pleasing a (minority) constituency than it has to do with the reality of combat and all that means. The Feminazis have been demanding "equality" with men in the military for a long time. We now have a regime that is favorable to doing any damned thing, no matter how stupid or impractical, or how much it puts all the other troops in danger...just as long as they garner a few paltry votes.
Fact is men and women are not equal. It isn't fair, although it may be right. Live with it.

 

[gallantwarrior]

In my observation they have. This realization is recent for me and it happened at a gym when I noticed a girl who was working out next to me. Afterward I started paying attention and I realized that the current generation of girls in their 20s are not shy of flexing their muscles. They are not apologetic about their diet and strength.

Are you really going with that? Woman have not physically changed they are not stronger than men no matter how much they flex their tiny little muscles in front of you.

Well, I do not have a very strong desire to see women in combat. For the major part of my life, I held the belief that they (women) were significantly weaker than men. However, it has become harder for me to maintain that belief based on my recent observation of younger generation of women. When I was in my 20s, I did not recall seeing any women in my Jiu Jitsu classes but now a days I see lots of them. Some of them are even eager to spar with men. I see them in gyms working with weights that are even difficult for average men. You have to be a blind person to not see the change. The driving force behind this change does not come from some sort of genetic mutation that made them physically stronger; it comes from a change in the attitude. They have two choices in the life: a) resign to being weak and be dependent on men b) be strong and take charge of their destiny. They seem to be picking the latter option.

Being less physically strong then men does not make women weaker. There is so much more to true strength than just the ability to lift heavy objects.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Are you really going with that? Woman have not physically changed they are not stronger than men no matter how much they flex their tiny little muscles in front of you.

Well, I do not have a very strong desire to see women in combat. For the major part of my life, I held the belief that they (women) were significantly weaker than men. However, it has become harder for me to maintain that belief based on my recent observation of younger generation of women. When I was in my 20s, I did not recall seeing any women in my Jiu Jitsu classes but now a days I see lots of them. Some of them are even eager to spar with men. I see them in gyms working with weights that are even difficult for average men. You have to be a blind person to not see the change. The driving force behind this change does not come from some sort of genetic mutation that made them physically stronger; it comes from a change in the attitude. They have two choices in the life: a) resign to being weak and be dependent on men b) be strong and take charge of their destiny. They seem to be picking the latter option.

Why can't women play professional NFL football?

Why can't millions of men play professional NFL football?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Are you really going with that? Woman have not physically changed they are not stronger than men no matter how much they flex their tiny little muscles in front of you.

Well, I do not have a very strong desire to see women in combat. For the major part of my life, I held the belief that they (women) were significantly weaker than men. However, it has become harder for me to maintain that belief based on my recent observation of younger generation of women. When I was in my 20s, I did not recall seeing any women in my Jiu Jitsu classes but now a days I see lots of them. Some of them are even eager to spar with men. I see them in gyms working with weights that are even difficult for average men. You have to be a blind person to not see the change. The driving force behind this change does not come from some sort of genetic mutation that made them physically stronger; it comes from a change in the attitude. They have two choices in the life: a) resign to being weak and be dependent on men b) be strong and take charge of their destiny. They seem to be picking the latter option.

Being less physically strong then men does not make women weaker. There is so much more to true strength than just the ability to lift heavy objects.

I hate to break the news to you, but a woman cannot physically take a man out. Life is not like what you would see coming from Hollywood.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well, I do not have a very strong desire to see women in combat. For the major part of my life, I held the belief that they (women) were significantly weaker than men. However, it has become harder for me to maintain that belief based on my recent observation of younger generation of women. When I was in my 20s, I did not recall seeing any women in my Jiu Jitsu classes but now a days I see lots of them. Some of them are even eager to spar with men. I see them in gyms working with weights that are even difficult for average men. You have to be a blind person to not see the change. The driving force behind this change does not come from some sort of genetic mutation that made them physically stronger; it comes from a change in the attitude. They have two choices in the life: a) resign to being weak and be dependent on men b) be strong and take charge of their destiny. They seem to be picking the latter option.

Why can't women play professional NFL football?

Why can't millions of men play professional NFL football?

However men do play in the NFL when will a woman make the cut?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Well, I do not have a very strong desire to see women in combat. For the major part of my life, I held the belief that they (women) were significantly weaker than men. However, it has become harder for me to maintain that belief based on my recent observation of younger generation of women. When I was in my 20s, I did not recall seeing any women in my Jiu Jitsu classes but now a days I see lots of them. Some of them are even eager to spar with men. I see them in gyms working with weights that are even difficult for average men. You have to be a blind person to not see the change. The driving force behind this change does not come from some sort of genetic mutation that made them physically stronger; it comes from a change in the attitude. They have two choices in the life: a) resign to being weak and be dependent on men b) be strong and take charge of their destiny. They seem to be picking the latter option.

Being less physically strong then men does not make women weaker. There is so much more to true strength than just the ability to lift heavy objects.

I hate to break the news to you, but a woman cannot physically take a man out. Life is not like what you would see coming from Hollywood.

I'm not talking only about physical strength. And a woman with the right training can damned well take down a man.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Being less physically strong then men does not make women weaker. There is so much more to true strength than just the ability to lift heavy objects.

I hate to break the news to you, but a woman cannot physically take a man out. Life is not like what you would see coming from Hollywood.

I'm not talking only about physical strength. And a woman with the right training can damned well take down a man.

Life is not a Hollywood movie Real life never happen.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Why can't women play professional NFL football?

Why can't millions of men play professional NFL football?

However men do play in the NFL when will a woman make the cut?

For the same reason so many other men would not make the cut. They don't have the physical ability, size, or desire. (I do know some women who are big enough, though.)

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why can't millions of men play professional NFL football?

However men do play in the NFL when will a woman make the cut?

For the same reason so many other men would not make the cut. They don't have the physical ability, size, or desire. (I do know some women who are big enough, though.)

Some woman have the desire to play professional football. They just don't have the physical ability or size to do it. One hit and it over.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm not aginst woman in the military. I am sitting on the fence as combat is concerned, but if they can make the cut I say let them do it. But don't lower the standards it's a bad idea.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I'm not aginst woman in the military. I am sitting on the fence as combat is concerned, but if they can make the cut I say let them do it. But don't lower the standards it's a bad idea.

Agreed. But never, ever lower the standards just to include one group. Lots of males don't make the cut, either.
I would not want my SIL put into a dangerous situation where one or more of his team members were only there to fulfill some PC requirement in the name of "fairness" and "equality". I am not ready to deal with a widowed daughter and orphaned granddaughters because some broad needed to have her puny ego stoked.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I thought I had read that the Stress card had been eliminated......


Regardless, Women do not belong in combat.

 

[Vikrant]

If a woman has good stamina, she can lift her weapons and other load, walk all day long, can handle combat stress and is proficient in using her weapons and tools then she is qualified for infantry role. I know it may hurt the ego of some men but that is not the problem of women.