We can't compromise! We can't collaborate! We can't cooperate!

[Mac1958]

Damn, Mac, your shtick is getting really old. How, exactly are we supposed to reach a compromise with fanatics who remind us on an hourly basis that we're the living embodiment of evil...

Compromise? All the GOP has done for most of my life is sell out to the left on issue after issue. Just a few years ago the morality of legalized gay marriage was a hot topic. Now we're living in a society where questioning whether or not it's ok to have little boys undergo hormone therapy in preparation for a sex change at age 16 is somehow a manifestation of white supremacy and toxic masculinity.

I'm sorry but I don't wanna find common ground with people who want to chop little boy's dicks off so you can go **** yourself.

Great, thanks.

As I've said, some just aren't going to be a part of any improvements.

You can stay on your end and sling poo all day. Congrats.
.

 

[kaz]

How's your campaign to just love on each other and the rest will work itself out going so far?

Just illustrating the point of my thread.

Sometimes it's not too fun being right.
.

It's easy to be right when you don't back it up with content. Sure, at 100 thousand feet you're right. Problem is you won't come down from 100,000 feet

I can't believe I actually have to do this.

We have to learn how to actually COMMUNICATE again. That means:

• Being willing to talk to people with whom we disagree without resorting to partisan talking points.
• Actually listening to what the other person is saying, not just getting our next talking point ready.
• Trying to honestly and modestly put ourselves in the other person's shoes.
• No longer assuming that the other guy's priorities are your priorities.
  
• Looking for any places of agreement on which we might build, and then adding, piece by piece.
  
• Negotiating, giving some here, taking some there. Not letting our ego stop us from giving in now and then.
• Dumping the personal attacks, distortions and straw man arguments that are intended to destroy communication

I could to on forever. This is hard fuckin' work. That's why we're not willing to do it. We want simple, instant gratification.

I'll pose a question again: How do businesses come up with new, dynamic innovations? They don't just put people who think the same way together. They bring in ideas from ALL OVER THE PLACE, people with different backgrounds and experiences, and expect them to work together and dump the ego bullshit.

You already gave your 100,000 foot answer. I'm trying to get policy examples out of you and can't get it

Why can't we do that outside of business?
.

I already answered that. In business, there aren't ideologues like leftists are who won't compromise with anyone. No leftist can even state what a libertarian is. They are incapable of saying the words. We're Republicans to them. That's it. Republicans can usually say what a libertarian is and they are clear that we aren't conservatives or leftists. They get that. How do you negotiate with that? I say I'm pro-choice to a leftist, then they say I'm a Republican therefore I'm pro-choice. Bodecea the idiot does that all the time. When I say I'm pro-choice to a Republican, they say oh, you're pro-choice

 

[Mac1958]

How's your campaign to just love on each other and the rest will work itself out going so far?

Just illustrating the point of my thread.

Sometimes it's not too fun being right.
.

It's easy to be right when you don't back it up with content. Sure, at 100 thousand feet you're right. Problem is you won't come down from 100,000 feet

I can't believe I actually have to do this.

We have to learn how to actually COMMUNICATE again. That means:

• Being willing to talk to people with whom we disagree without resorting to partisan talking points.
• Actually listening to what the other person is saying, not just getting our next talking point ready.
• Trying to honestly and modestly put ourselves in the other person's shoes.
• No longer assuming that the other guy's priorities are your priorities.
  
• Looking for any places of agreement on which we might build, and then adding, piece by piece.
  
• Negotiating, giving some here, taking some there. Not letting our ego stop us from giving in now and then.
• Dumping the personal attacks, distortions and straw man arguments that are intended to destroy communication

I could to on forever. This is hard fuckin' work. That's why we're not willing to do it. We want simple, instant gratification.

I'll pose a question again: How do businesses come up with new, dynamic innovations? They don't just put people who think the same way together. They bring in ideas from ALL OVER THE PLACE, people with different backgrounds and experiences, and expect them to work together and dump the ego bullshit.

You already gave your 100,000 foot answer. I'm trying to get policy examples out of you and can't get it

Why can't we do that outside of business?
.

I already answered that. In business, there aren't ideologues like leftists are who won't compromise with anyone. No leftist can even state what a libertarian is. They are incapable of saying the words. We're Republicans to them. That's it. Republicans can usually say what a libertarian is and they are clear that we aren't conservatives or leftists. They get that. How do you negotiate with that? I say I'm pro-choice to a leftist, then they say I'm a Republican therefore I'm pro-choice. Bodecea the idiot does that all the time. When I say I'm pro-choice to a Republican, they say oh, you're pro-choice

What I gave you was a template for discussing any issue.

Do you not get that?
.

 

[Theowl32]

We are supposed to STAND FOR TRUTH! No COMPROMISE! COMPROMISE is exactly what the globalists count on!!!!!

What is your personal definition of "TRUTH", precisely?
.

THE TRUTH is the globalists (left wing) hate the free market.

THE TRUTH is globalists are determined to destroy America.

THE TRUTH is the left despise Christianity, especially white male American Christians.

THE TRUTH is the left ( globalists) use the race card, class warfare and every other divisive issue they can think to push their agenda of a NEW WORLD ORDER through media, entertainment INDUSTRY and educational institutions to push this agenda.

THE TRUTH is the left are absolute marxists and they use stupid terms like "democratic socialists" or "progressivism" to make it sound better.

That is the absolute TRUTH. In the end, there will only be ONE TRUTH anyway. I will let you try to find out what that is.

 

[Mac1958]

We are supposed to STAND FOR TRUTH! No COMPROMISE! COMPROMISE is exactly what the globalists count on!!!!!

What is your personal definition of "TRUTH", precisely?
.

THE TRUTH is the globalists (left wing) hate the free market.

THE TRUTH is globalists are determined to destroy America.

THE TRUTH is the left despise Christianity, especially white male American Christians.

THE TRUTH is the left ( globalists) use the race card, class warfare and every other divisive issue they can think to push their agenda of a NEW WORLD ORDER through media, entertainment INDUSTRY and educational institutions to push this agenda.

THE TRUTH is the left are absolute marxists and they use stupid terms like "democratic socialists" or "progressivism" to make it sound better.

That is the absolute TRUTH. In the end, there will only be ONE TRUTH anyway. I will let you try to find out what that is.

No, that's not what I asked.

What is your definition of "Truth"? When you proudly say "Truth", what do you mean?
.

 

[Theowl32]

We are supposed to STAND FOR TRUTH! No COMPROMISE! COMPROMISE is exactly what the globalists count on!!!!!

What is your personal definition of "TRUTH", precisely?
.

THE TRUTH is the globalists (left wing) hate the free market.

THE TRUTH is globalists are determined to destroy America.

THE TRUTH is the left despise Christianity, especially white male American Christians.

THE TRUTH is the left ( globalists) use the race card, class warfare and every other divisive issue they can think to push their agenda of a NEW WORLD ORDER through media, entertainment INDUSTRY and educational institutions to push this agenda.

THE TRUTH is the left are absolute marxists and they use stupid terms like "democratic socialists" or "progressivism" to make it sound better.

That is the absolute TRUTH. In the end, there will only be ONE TRUTH anyway. I will let you try to find out what that is.

No, that's not what I asked.

What is your definition of "Truth"? When you proudly say "Truth", what do you mean?
.

Holy shit

 

[Mac1958]

We are supposed to STAND FOR TRUTH! No COMPROMISE! COMPROMISE is exactly what the globalists count on!!!!!

What is your personal definition of "TRUTH", precisely?
.

THE TRUTH is the globalists (left wing) hate the free market.

THE TRUTH is globalists are determined to destroy America.

THE TRUTH is the left despise Christianity, especially white male American Christians.

THE TRUTH is the left ( globalists) use the race card, class warfare and every other divisive issue they can think to push their agenda of a NEW WORLD ORDER through media, entertainment INDUSTRY and educational institutions to push this agenda.

THE TRUTH is the left are absolute marxists and they use stupid terms like "democratic socialists" or "progressivism" to make it sound better.

That is the absolute TRUTH. In the end, there will only be ONE TRUTH anyway. I will let you try to find out what that is.

No, that's not what I asked.

What is your definition of "Truth"? When you proudly say "Truth", what do you mean?
.

Holy shit

Agreed.
.

 

[kaz]

How's your campaign to just love on each other and the rest will work itself out going so far?

Just illustrating the point of my thread.

Sometimes it's not too fun being right.
.

It's easy to be right when you don't back it up with content. Sure, at 100 thousand feet you're right. Problem is you won't come down from 100,000 feet

I can't believe I actually have to do this.

We have to learn how to actually COMMUNICATE again. That means:

• Being willing to talk to people with whom we disagree without resorting to partisan talking points.
• Actually listening to what the other person is saying, not just getting our next talking point ready.
• Trying to honestly and modestly put ourselves in the other person's shoes.
• No longer assuming that the other guy's priorities are your priorities.
  
• Looking for any places of agreement on which we might build, and then adding, piece by piece.
  
• Negotiating, giving some here, taking some there. Not letting our ego stop us from giving in now and then.
• Dumping the personal attacks, distortions and straw man arguments that are intended to destroy communication

I could to on forever. This is hard fuckin' work. That's why we're not willing to do it. We want simple, instant gratification.

I'll pose a question again: How do businesses come up with new, dynamic innovations? They don't just put people who think the same way together. They bring in ideas from ALL OVER THE PLACE, people with different backgrounds and experiences, and expect them to work together and dump the ego bullshit.

You already gave your 100,000 foot answer. I'm trying to get policy examples out of you and can't get it

Why can't we do that outside of business?
.

I already answered that. In business, there aren't ideologues like leftists are who won't compromise with anyone. No leftist can even state what a libertarian is. They are incapable of saying the words. We're Republicans to them. That's it. Republicans can usually say what a libertarian is and they are clear that we aren't conservatives or leftists. They get that. How do you negotiate with that? I say I'm pro-choice to a leftist, then they say I'm a Republican therefore I'm pro-choice. Bodecea the idiot does that all the time. When I say I'm pro-choice to a Republican, they say oh, you're pro-choice

What I gave you was a template for discussing any issue.

Do you not get that?
.

I think I clearly do get that since it's what I keep saying. You're staying at 100K feet.

What you're not doing is giving a single meaningful use of your "template."

Leftists want more government in every area. I want less government in any area. I asked you a simple question how then we reach a compromise where clearly in that case there would be a winner and a loser. Every time I ask that, you stay at 100K feet

 

[edthecynic]

For over a decade, the Republicans thought they were playing a game, while the Democrats thought they were fighting a war. The Republicans were not even fighting back. I think it took them too long to figure out that it isn't a game, it is a fight.

More Limbaugh Lies!

 

[Toro]

Damn, Mac, your shtick is getting really old. How, exactly are we supposed to reach a compromise with fanatics who remind us on an hourly basis that we're the living embodiment of evil...

Compromise? All the GOP has done for most of my life is sell out to the left on issue after issue. Just a few years ago the morality of legalized gay marriage was a hot topic. Now we're living in a society where questioning whether or not it's ok to have little boys undergo hormone therapy in preparation for a sex change at age 16 is somehow a manifestation of white supremacy and toxic masculinity.

I'm sorry but I don't wanna find common ground with people who want to chop little boy's dicks off so you can go **** yourself.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Thinker101]

Well, there certainly seemed to be some generous compromises on DACA put on the table.

YES. We could get there from here. This is just partisan ego and political opportunism.

Yes we could, but idiot Democrats don't want to negotiate. Otherwise they lose their talking point.

Where is the GOP willing to collaborate on this, precisely?
.

Really?! Look it up, it wasn't that long ago that Trump offered a deal.

 

[Mac1958]

Just illustrating the point of my thread.

Sometimes it's not too fun being right.
.

It's easy to be right when you don't back it up with content. Sure, at 100 thousand feet you're right. Problem is you won't come down from 100,000 feet

I can't believe I actually have to do this.

We have to learn how to actually COMMUNICATE again. That means:

• Being willing to talk to people with whom we disagree without resorting to partisan talking points.
• Actually listening to what the other person is saying, not just getting our next talking point ready.
• Trying to honestly and modestly put ourselves in the other person's shoes.
• No longer assuming that the other guy's priorities are your priorities.
  
• Looking for any places of agreement on which we might build, and then adding, piece by piece.
  
• Negotiating, giving some here, taking some there. Not letting our ego stop us from giving in now and then.
• Dumping the personal attacks, distortions and straw man arguments that are intended to destroy communication

I could to on forever. This is hard fuckin' work. That's why we're not willing to do it. We want simple, instant gratification.

I'll pose a question again: How do businesses come up with new, dynamic innovations? They don't just put people who think the same way together. They bring in ideas from ALL OVER THE PLACE, people with different backgrounds and experiences, and expect them to work together and dump the ego bullshit.

You already gave your 100,000 foot answer. I'm trying to get policy examples out of you and can't get it

Why can't we do that outside of business?
.

I already answered that. In business, there aren't ideologues like leftists are who won't compromise with anyone. No leftist can even state what a libertarian is. They are incapable of saying the words. We're Republicans to them. That's it. Republicans can usually say what a libertarian is and they are clear that we aren't conservatives or leftists. They get that. How do you negotiate with that? I say I'm pro-choice to a leftist, then they say I'm a Republican therefore I'm pro-choice. Bodecea the idiot does that all the time. When I say I'm pro-choice to a Republican, they say oh, you're pro-choice

What I gave you was a template for discussing any issue.

Do you not get that?
.

I think I clearly do get that since it's what I keep saying. You're staying at 100K feet.

What you're not doing is giving a single meaningful use of your "template."

Leftists want more government in every area. I want less government in any area. I asked you a simple question how then we reach a compromise where clearly in that case there would be a winner and a loser. Every time I ask that, you stay at 100K feet

You first have to understand that "more" or "less" government is not binary. "The government" is massive, with all kinds of moving parts.

For example, if you want "less government", does that mean less Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines? Fewer cops?

When an issue is complicated, you have to break it up into bite-sized pieces. No issue is monolithic. You want more military? Why? Okay, if you both agree, we need to drop spending somewhere else. They want more of Spending on X, why?

God damn, seriously, this is terribly basic stuff. This really is troubling. Do you never have to communicate with people who don't agree with you when working on something?
.

 

[edthecynic]

I like beer you don't we want to start a business together but you refuse to allow beer in it. how long would we be in business together?

If your business involves any kind of machinery, no Insurance Co will give you a policy if you allow your workers to drink beer on the job. So you won't be in business very long either way!

 

[kaz]

For over a decade, the Republicans thought they were playing a game, while the Democrats thought they were fighting a war. The Republicans were not even fighting back. I think it took them too long to figure out that it isn't a game, it is a fight.

More Limbaugh Lies!

From the guy who lies about Rush in your sig

 

[impuretrash]

Damn, Mac, your shtick is getting really old. How, exactly are we supposed to reach a compromise with fanatics who remind us on an hourly basis that we're the living embodiment of evil...

Compromise? All the GOP has done for most of my life is sell out to the left on issue after issue. Just a few years ago the morality of legalized gay marriage was a hot topic. Now we're living in a society where questioning whether or not it's ok to have little boys undergo hormone therapy in preparation for a sex change at age 16 is somehow a manifestation of white supremacy and toxic masculinity.

I'm sorry but I don't wanna find common ground with people who want to chop little boy's dicks off so you can go **** yourself.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

I know, it's awfully unreasonable of me to be anti-child mutilation.

 

[kaz]

It's easy to be right when you don't back it up with content. Sure, at 100 thousand feet you're right. Problem is you won't come down from 100,000 feet

I can't believe I actually have to do this.

We have to learn how to actually COMMUNICATE again. That means:

• Being willing to talk to people with whom we disagree without resorting to partisan talking points.
• Actually listening to what the other person is saying, not just getting our next talking point ready.
• Trying to honestly and modestly put ourselves in the other person's shoes.
• No longer assuming that the other guy's priorities are your priorities.
  
• Looking for any places of agreement on which we might build, and then adding, piece by piece.
  
• Negotiating, giving some here, taking some there. Not letting our ego stop us from giving in now and then.
• Dumping the personal attacks, distortions and straw man arguments that are intended to destroy communication

I could to on forever. This is hard fuckin' work. That's why we're not willing to do it. We want simple, instant gratification.

I'll pose a question again: How do businesses come up with new, dynamic innovations? They don't just put people who think the same way together. They bring in ideas from ALL OVER THE PLACE, people with different backgrounds and experiences, and expect them to work together and dump the ego bullshit.

You already gave your 100,000 foot answer. I'm trying to get policy examples out of you and can't get it

Why can't we do that outside of business?
.

I already answered that. In business, there aren't ideologues like leftists are who won't compromise with anyone. No leftist can even state what a libertarian is. They are incapable of saying the words. We're Republicans to them. That's it. Republicans can usually say what a libertarian is and they are clear that we aren't conservatives or leftists. They get that. How do you negotiate with that? I say I'm pro-choice to a leftist, then they say I'm a Republican therefore I'm pro-choice. Bodecea the idiot does that all the time. When I say I'm pro-choice to a Republican, they say oh, you're pro-choice

What I gave you was a template for discussing any issue.

Do you not get that?
.

I think I clearly do get that since it's what I keep saying. You're staying at 100K feet.

What you're not doing is giving a single meaningful use of your "template."

Leftists want more government in every area. I want less government in any area. I asked you a simple question how then we reach a compromise where clearly in that case there would be a winner and a loser. Every time I ask that, you stay at 100K feet

You first have to understand that "more" or "less" government is not binary. "The government" is massive, with all kinds of moving parts.

For example, if you want "less government", does that mean less Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines? Fewer cops?

When an issue is complicated, you have to break it up into bite-sized pieces. No issue is monolithic. You want more military? Why? Okay, if you both agree, we need to drop spending somewhere else. They want more of Spending on X, why?

God damn, seriously, this is terribly basic stuff. This really is troubling. Do you never have to communicate with people who don't agree with you when working on something?
.

"For example, if you want "less government", does that mean less "

- Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines? - Yes, and I already addressed this. Leftists want less military only when Republicans are in power. Obama was every bit the war hawk that W was. But mostly I'm talking about social spending which is a lot more clear and why you avoided it

Fewer cops? - I'm at the Federal level. I would cut federal then State governments would grow and replace a lot of those services. But not as much as the Federal government does.

"God damn, seriously, this is terribly basic stuff." I keep saying that. By staying at 100K feet, you're staying too basic for your argument to have meaning.

Anyone in business who claimed to have a "template" with no specific example of how it would actually be used would be tossed out on their ear

 

[Seawytch]

It's obvious because you stayed in the clouds and didn't say anything specific.

Give me an example of an issue that the left will compromise on and how someone who is for less government could realistically make an agreement with them to compromise

I can't speak for the Left, but I stayed general because there are so many possible examples.

The level of personal taxation, the level of corporate taxation, the size of the military, the level of government involvement in health care, the various departments, on and on and on.

This stuff is so fundamental, I don't know what you want. If two people who are different points on a continuum actually need help in doing something this basic, we're fucked.
.

I'm on the "left" and I can give you an example.

Analysis | Schumer offered Trump something Democrats hate for something Republicans broadly like

Is that an example of collaboration? Did Trump agree?
.

It was, yet again, another example of Democrats trying to compromise with Republicans and Republicans, yet again, refusing to do so.

Dems aren't compromising and they weren't either when O was ramming his worthless policies.

Of course they were. Republicans refusal to come to the table can't be blamed on Obama. Republicans set their agenda on day one of his presidency.

The Republicans' Plan for the New President

 

[Seawytch]

We are supposed to STAND FOR TRUTH! No COMPROMISE! COMPROMISE is exactly what the globalists count on!!!!!

What is your personal definition of "TRUTH", precisely?
.

THE TRUTH is the globalists (left wing) hate the free market.

THE TRUTH is globalists are determined to destroy America.

THE TRUTH is the left despise Christianity, especially white male American Christians.

THE TRUTH is the left ( globalists) use the race card, class warfare and every other divisive issue they can think to push their agenda of a NEW WORLD ORDER through media, entertainment INDUSTRY and educational institutions to push this agenda.

THE TRUTH is the left are absolute marxists and they use stupid terms like "democratic socialists" or "progressivism" to make it sound better.

That is the absolute TRUTH. In the end, there will only be ONE TRUTH anyway. I will let you try to find out what that is.

No, that's not what I asked.

What is your definition of "Truth"? When you proudly say "Truth", what do you mean?
.

What Trump Means When He Calls Gary Cohn a 'Globalist'

 

[Seawytch]

Damn, Mac, your shtick is getting really old. How, exactly are we supposed to reach a compromise with fanatics who remind us on an hourly basis that we're the living embodiment of evil...

Compromise? All the GOP has done for most of my life is sell out to the left on issue after issue. Just a few years ago the morality of legalized gay marriage was a hot topic. Now we're living in a society where questioning whether or not it's ok to have little boys undergo hormone therapy in preparation for a sex change at age 16 is somehow a manifestation of white supremacy and toxic masculinity.

I'm sorry but I don't wanna find common ground with people who want to chop little boy's dicks off so you can go **** yourself.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

I know, it's awfully unreasonable of me to be anti-child mutilation.

Circumcision?

 

[Mac1958]

I can't believe I actually have to do this.

We have to learn how to actually COMMUNICATE again. That means:

• Being willing to talk to people with whom we disagree without resorting to partisan talking points.
• Actually listening to what the other person is saying, not just getting our next talking point ready.
• Trying to honestly and modestly put ourselves in the other person's shoes.
• No longer assuming that the other guy's priorities are your priorities.
  
• Looking for any places of agreement on which we might build, and then adding, piece by piece.
  
• Negotiating, giving some here, taking some there. Not letting our ego stop us from giving in now and then.
• Dumping the personal attacks, distortions and straw man arguments that are intended to destroy communication

I could to on forever. This is hard fuckin' work. That's why we're not willing to do it. We want simple, instant gratification.

I'll pose a question again: How do businesses come up with new, dynamic innovations? They don't just put people who think the same way together. They bring in ideas from ALL OVER THE PLACE, people with different backgrounds and experiences, and expect them to work together and dump the ego bullshit.

You already gave your 100,000 foot answer. I'm trying to get policy examples out of you and can't get it

Why can't we do that outside of business?
.

I already answered that. In business, there aren't ideologues like leftists are who won't compromise with anyone. No leftist can even state what a libertarian is. They are incapable of saying the words. We're Republicans to them. That's it. Republicans can usually say what a libertarian is and they are clear that we aren't conservatives or leftists. They get that. How do you negotiate with that? I say I'm pro-choice to a leftist, then they say I'm a Republican therefore I'm pro-choice. Bodecea the idiot does that all the time. When I say I'm pro-choice to a Republican, they say oh, you're pro-choice

What I gave you was a template for discussing any issue.

Do you not get that?
.

I think I clearly do get that since it's what I keep saying. You're staying at 100K feet.

What you're not doing is giving a single meaningful use of your "template."

Leftists want more government in every area. I want less government in any area. I asked you a simple question how then we reach a compromise where clearly in that case there would be a winner and a loser. Every time I ask that, you stay at 100K feet

You first have to understand that "more" or "less" government is not binary. "The government" is massive, with all kinds of moving parts.

For example, if you want "less government", does that mean less Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines? Fewer cops?

When an issue is complicated, you have to break it up into bite-sized pieces. No issue is monolithic. You want more military? Why? Okay, if you both agree, we need to drop spending somewhere else. They want more of Spending on X, why?

God damn, seriously, this is terribly basic stuff. This really is troubling. Do you never have to communicate with people who don't agree with you when working on something?
.

"For example, if you want "less government", does that mean less "

- Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines? - Yes, and I already addressed this. Leftists want less military only when Republicans are in power. Obama was every bit the war hawk that W was. But mostly I'm talking about social spending which is a lot more clear and why you avoided it

Fewer cops? - I'm at the Federal level. I would cut federal then State governments would grow and replace a lot of those services. But not as much as the Federal government does.

"God damn, seriously, this is terribly basic stuff." I keep saying that. By staying at 100K feet, you're staying too basic for your argument to have meaning.

Anyone in business who claimed to have a "template" with no specific example of how it would actually be used would be tossed out on their ear

My business clients and readers know that isn't true. Even the tiny bit I gave you would get them going, just fine.

One fundamental requirement of effective communication is desire. You just don't have that.
.