We cannot win in iraq.

[protectionist]

For some, flowing oil is the only desired outcome, the useless people who live on top of the oil are as killable as anyone. Never going to become civilized as long as obscene profits are to be had by some group who has no intention of sharing it with the other groups. Warring Islamic sects is just an excuse, everyone there is really trying to get a chunk of those sweet petrodollars.

The "oil is the basis of everything" mantra has been repeated a billion times over. It was false when we first heard it, and it's even more false now. ISIS cares about oil only insofar as it can buy them miltary (and nuclear) power, to defeat "infidels" everywhere, in the 1400 year quest to erect a worldwide caliphate. THIS is the basis. THIS is the crux for how jihadists operate, and it is the basis for how we must operate to defend ourselves from their lunacy.

Some people now talk about another 9-11 brewing in Iraq. What is brewing (for Iraq and us) in Iraq now is far worse than another 9-11. It is nothing less than the complete annihilation of America,

 

[Redfish]

For some, flowing oil is the only desired outcome, the useless people who live on top of the oil are as killable as anyone. Never going to become civilized as long as obscene profits are to be had by some group who has no intention of sharing it with the other groups. Warring Islamic sects is just an excuse, everyone there is really trying to get a chunk of those sweet petrodollars.

The "oil is the basis of everything" mantra has been repeated a billion times over. It was false when we first heard it, and it's even more false now. ISIS cares about oil only insofar as it can buy them miltary (and nuclear) power, to defeat "infidels" everywhere, in the 1400 year quest to erect a worldwide caliphate. THIS is the basis. THIS is the crux for how jihadists operate, and it is the basis for how we must operate to defend ourselves from their lunacy.

Some people now talk about another 9-11 brewing in Iraq. What is brewing (for Iraq and us) in Iraq now is far worse than another 9-11. It is nothing less than the complete annihilation of America,

the really dangerous thing is that our current president seems to share that desire and is doing his part to bring down the "great satan" that is the USA.

 

[Sunni Man]

What is brewing (for Iraq and us) in Iraq now is far worse than another 9-11. It is nothing less than the complete annihilation of America,

Oh my!! ..

 

[hipeter924]

Killing Saddam would have just taken a few flight hours of a stealth bomber, with orders to take out his palace. Bush Sr could have got rid of Saddam during the Gulf War, but he wanted to make Iraqis suffer more and support weapons companies, so left Saddam in power. The Iraq war was a money making scam for Halliburton, as well as weapons and oil companies. Millions died for nothing, and a Syria like civil war looks to be building up there.

 

[The T]

Rabbi's Rules #2: Contumacious can be counted on to make the dumbest posts on Earth.

Kaz says the presence of US troops in Saudi caused 9/11
You say US support for Israel caused 9/11.
Which is it?

We are BOTH Correct.


The Bin Laden Speech

And what America is facing today is something very little of what we have tasted for decades. Our nation, since nearly 80 years is tasting this humility. Sons are killed, and nobody answers the call.

And when those people have defended and retaliated to what their brothers and sisters have suffered in Palestine and Lebanon, the whole world has been shouting.And every day we see the Israeli tanks going to Jenin, Ramallah, Beit Jalla and other lands of Islam.

Our nation (the Islamic world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries are attacked, and no one hears and no one heeds. "

.

OK, so why did Spain also suffer a terrorist attack from Islamic nutjobs?

See, it doesnt matter. We didnt cause any of that. They hate us because we are America. They really dont need another reason. And the only way we're going to get them to stop executing terrorist attacks is to kill every last one of the motherfuckers.

But first? the left has to realize that their vision of Utopia is a non starter, and EVIL does exist...even within their own midts. (Themselves).

 

[Contumacious]

Rabbi's Rules #2: Contumacious can be counted on to make the dumbest posts on Earth.

Kaz says the presence of US troops in Saudi caused 9/11
You say US support for Israel caused 9/11.
Which is it?

We are BOTH Correct.


The Bin Laden Speech

And what America is facing today is something very little of what we have tasted for decades. Our nation, since nearly 80 years is tasting this humility. Sons are killed, and nobody answers the call.

And when those people have defended and retaliated to what their brothers and sisters have suffered in Palestine and Lebanon, the whole world has been shouting.And every day we see the Israeli tanks going to Jenin, Ramallah, Beit Jalla and other lands of Islam.

Our nation (the Islamic world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries are attacked, and no one hears and no one heeds. "

.

You know what? Take it to another thread.

We are dealing in the here and now with ISIS and Levant.[

Is the ISIS/Levant force Sunni Led? Ben Laden and the 09/11 "terrorists" were Sunnis


The ISIS/Levant is composed of Islamist Radicals. So is AlQaeda. Osama was an Islamist Radical.

So given those facts , my post was material and relevant.

.

 

[kaz]

No it didn't

I'm not sure how you think that. Bin Laden is Saudi, and it's the American presence in Saudi Arabia that he opposes the most. How do you get that wasn't behind the attacks exactly? To say it's not that simple I would agree with you on. To say "no it didn't" is pretty preposerous.

Narco-libtards beating the blame the victim drum again. If we were out of Saudi Arabia they would find some other excuse, like our support for Israel.

That has nothing to do with anything I said ever. I don't blame the US, I blame the terrorists. We're trying to do the right thing, I just don't want to fight every freaking one of them and I don't understand why we're taking this almost entirely on ourselves. I said I would support being part of an international effort, I'm just tired of our being the whole team except the punter. And I didn't say anything here except our being in Saudi Arabia is clearly a factor to Bin Laden, I did not say that makes it right, it doesn't.

There is no "blame" or any synonym in this or any of my other posts towards the US on this subject, you're making it up and reading what isn't there based on your preconceived views.

 

[kaz]

No it didn't

I'm not sure how you think that. Bin Laden is Saudi, and it's the American presence in Saudi Arabia that he opposes the most. How do you get that wasn't behind the attacks exactly? To say it's not that simple I would agree with you on. To say "no it didn't" is pretty preposerous.

The main goal of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda was to spread Sharia law around the world and have it as the main rule of governing the 9-11 attacks were a way to promote and show their strength and ability to achieve that goal the American presence in Saudi Arabia may have given him a good talking point reason for the attacks but it was not the main reason for it.

I'm not doing any talking points, I'm not arguing anything. I am not blaming us, and I am not against us being there because of Bin Laden. I'm just telling you that factually the US presence in Saudi Arabia was a major driver to Bin Laden and to say otherwise is wrong.

 

[Contumacious]

Rabbi's Rules #2: Contumacious can be counted on to make the dumbest posts on Earth.

Kaz says the presence of US troops in Saudi caused 9/11
You say US support for Israel caused 9/11.
Which is it?

We are BOTH Correct.


The Bin Laden Speech

And what America is facing today is something very little of what we have tasted for decades. Our nation, since nearly 80 years is tasting this humility. Sons are killed, and nobody answers the call.

And when those people have defended and retaliated to what their brothers and sisters have suffered in Palestine and Lebanon, the whole world has been shouting.And every day we see the Israeli tanks going to Jenin, Ramallah, Beit Jalla and other lands of Islam.

Our nation (the Islamic world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries are attacked, and no one hears and no one heeds. "

.

OK, so why did Spain also suffer a terrorist attack from Islamic nutjobs?

Mr dinglebery, sir:

Let me remind you that Spain's christian conservative party decided to help Bush in its quest to slaughter Iraqis.

But the point is that it is not known whether the attack was perpetrated by ALQaeda or the Basque separatist organization, ETA .

.

 

[Plasmaball]

The NY Ranger went in thinking they couldn't win either. (I made that up)

So the answer to radical Islam is to back off and hope they leave us alone?

I like oil, it keeps my car running. I like oil it makes all the nifty plastic things I like. I like oil it makes the electricity for my computer. I like oil it delivers food to my house. I don't like oil causing me or the country to go bankrupt because of some idiot radical Muslims. Assuming they are actually radical Muslims and don't have a legitimate beef with the government.

1) we can run your car on sea water. No im not joking
2) true...i do love me some plastic stuff, but i think if we recycled more as a nation this would help cut off oil. City in Canada Recycles 95% of their waste. 95%...its pathetic we can't do that.
3) MIT students just made solar panels that double the energy we get from the sun and work in the shade. We can power your computer by other means.

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm not sure how you think that. Bin Laden is Saudi, and it's the American presence in Saudi Arabia that he opposes the most. How do you get that wasn't behind the attacks exactly? To say it's not that simple I would agree with you on. To say "no it didn't" is pretty preposerous.

Narco-libtards beating the blame the victim drum again. If we were out of Saudi Arabia they would find some other excuse, like our support for Israel.

That has nothing to do with anything I said ever. I don't blame the US, I blame the terrorists. We're trying to do the right thing, I just don't want to fight every freaking one of them and I don't understand why we're taking this almost entirely on ourselves. I said I would support being part of an international effort, I'm just tired of our being the whole team except the punter. And I didn't say anything here except our being in Saudi Arabia is clearly a factor to Bin Laden, I did not say that makes it right, it doesn't.

There is no "blame" or any synonym in this or any of my other posts towards the US on this subject, you're making it up and reading what isn't there based on your preconceived views.

OK, apologies if I misunderstood.
We have to do it because there is no one else. Europe? Recall how they handled the Serbian crisis. They talked. For a long time. The Euros are incapable of action.

 

[The Rabbi]

[/B]

We are BOTH Correct.


The Bin Laden Speech

And what America is facing today is something very little of what we have tasted for decades. Our nation, since nearly 80 years is tasting this humility. Sons are killed, and nobody answers the call.

And when those people have defended and retaliated to what their brothers and sisters have suffered in Palestine and Lebanon, the whole world has been shouting.And every day we see the Israeli tanks going to Jenin, Ramallah, Beit Jalla and other lands of Islam.

Our nation (the Islamic world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries are attacked, and no one hears and no one heeds. "

.

OK, so why did Spain also suffer a terrorist attack from Islamic nutjobs?

Mr dinglebery, sir:

Let me remind you that Spain's christian conservative party decided to help Bush in its quest to slaughter Iraqis.

But the point is that it is not known whether the attack was perpetrated by ALQaeda or the Basque separatist organization, ETA .

.

You would be an excellent apologist for radical Islamic nutjobs, Mr. Knobgobbler.

In fact it was al Qaeda that was responsible. There is always some way to blame the West, somehow.
You are dismissed.

 

[kaz]

Narco-libtards beating the blame the victim drum again. If we were out of Saudi Arabia they would find some other excuse, like our support for Israel.

That has nothing to do with anything I said ever. I don't blame the US, I blame the terrorists. We're trying to do the right thing, I just don't want to fight every freaking one of them and I don't understand why we're taking this almost entirely on ourselves. I said I would support being part of an international effort, I'm just tired of our being the whole team except the punter. And I didn't say anything here except our being in Saudi Arabia is clearly a factor to Bin Laden, I did not say that makes it right, it doesn't.

There is no "blame" or any synonym in this or any of my other posts towards the US on this subject, you're making it up and reading what isn't there based on your preconceived views.

OK, apologies if I misunderstood.
We have to do it because there is no one else. Europe? Recall how they handled the Serbian crisis. They talked. For a long time. The Euros are incapable of action.

Why do we have to do it? If we explore for oil domestically and let Europe live in the bed they made then why do we need to go after them at all unless they attack us like on 9/11? As I keep saying, while I'm against nation building in Afghanistan, I was totally for blasting the crap out of the Taliban for abetting Al Qaeda.

 

[The T]

Narco-libtards beating the blame the victim drum again. If we were out of Saudi Arabia they would find some other excuse, like our support for Israel.

That has nothing to do with anything I said ever. I don't blame the US, I blame the terrorists. We're trying to do the right thing, I just don't want to fight every freaking one of them and I don't understand why we're taking this almost entirely on ourselves. I said I would support being part of an international effort, I'm just tired of our being the whole team except the punter. And I didn't say anything here except our being in Saudi Arabia is clearly a factor to Bin Laden, I did not say that makes it right, it doesn't.

There is no "blame" or any synonym in this or any of my other posts towards the US on this subject, you're making it up and reading what isn't there based on your preconceived views.

OK, apologies if I misunderstood.
We have to do it because there is no one else. Europe? Recall how they handled the Serbian crisis. They talked. For a long time. The Euros are incapable of action.

And precisely what Obama is going to relegate us to...IF he has his way and the Congress doesn't grow a spine and oppose his idiocy.

 

[Plasmaball]

Bullshit. The Left has been rooting for us to lose in Iraq pretty much since the war was more than 48 hours old.
What we are seeing are the results of disengagement, not engagement. This situation gives the lie to every liberal and brain dead losertarian that the problem with the world is US invovlement. The problem is the opposite.

there it is....a partisan post by a partisan who is basically saying the left hates america because they didnt support a war that wasnt needed.

Its almost like saying you hope Obama Fails....

 

[The Rabbi]

That has nothing to do with anything I said ever. I don't blame the US, I blame the terrorists. We're trying to do the right thing, I just don't want to fight every freaking one of them and I don't understand why we're taking this almost entirely on ourselves. I said I would support being part of an international effort, I'm just tired of our being the whole team except the punter. And I didn't say anything here except our being in Saudi Arabia is clearly a factor to Bin Laden, I did not say that makes it right, it doesn't.

There is no "blame" or any synonym in this or any of my other posts towards the US on this subject, you're making it up and reading what isn't there based on your preconceived views.

OK, apologies if I misunderstood.
We have to do it because there is no one else. Europe? Recall how they handled the Serbian crisis. They talked. For a long time. The Euros are incapable of action.

Why do we have to do it? If we explore for oil domestically and let Europe live in the bed they made then why do we need to go after them at all unless they attack us like on 9/11? As I keep saying, while I'm against nation building in Afghanistan, I was totally for blasting the crap out of the Taliban for abetting Al Qaeda.

You're not getting it.
If we withdrew all out troops from the ME, left Israel to die at the hands of the Arabs, ceased buying ME oil it still wouldnt matter. The radical Muslims see our very existence as a problem. We are stopping the universal triumph of Islam over the world. They cannot stand that. They will attack us no matter what.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bullshit. The Left has been rooting for us to lose in Iraq pretty much since the war was more than 48 hours old.
What we are seeing are the results of disengagement, not engagement. This situation gives the lie to every liberal and brain dead losertarian that the problem with the world is US invovlement. The problem is the opposite.

there it is....a partisan post by a partisan who is basically saying the left hates america because they didnt support a war that wasnt needed.

Its almost like saying you hope Obama Fails....

There it is..an idiot post by the board's resident drooling moron. Missing the point. Throwing assertions.
Hey, how did Obmaa's hasty withdrawal from Iraq work out? How about his other foreign policy triumphs?
I dont have to hope Obama fails. He's already failed.

 

[The T]

Bullshit. The Left has been rooting for us to lose in Iraq pretty much since the war was more than 48 hours old.
What we are seeing are the results of disengagement, not engagement. This situation gives the lie to every liberal and brain dead losertarian that the problem with the world is US invovlement. The problem is the opposite.

there it is....a partisan post by a partisan who is basically saying the left hates america because they didnt support a war that wasnt needed.

Its almost like saying you hope Obama Fails....

There it is..an idiot post by the board's resident drooling moron. Missing the point. Throwing assertions.
Hey, how did Obmaa's hasty withdrawal from Iraq work out? How about his other foreign policy triumphs?
I dont have to hope Obama fails. He's already failed.

Indeed. Obama has failed...set the middle East on fire...caused our allies NOT to trust us...what's not to like In PlazDork's world as he gets pumped up the ass by Obama?

 

[kaz]

OK, apologies if I misunderstood.
We have to do it because there is no one else. Europe? Recall how they handled the Serbian crisis. They talked. For a long time. The Euros are incapable of action.

Why do we have to do it? If we explore for oil domestically and let Europe live in the bed they made then why do we need to go after them at all unless they attack us like on 9/11? As I keep saying, while I'm against nation building in Afghanistan, I was totally for blasting the crap out of the Taliban for abetting Al Qaeda.

You're not getting it.
If we withdrew all out troops from the ME, left Israel to die at the hands of the Arabs, ceased buying ME oil it still wouldnt matter. The radical Muslims see our very existence as a problem. We are stopping the universal triumph of Islam over the world. They cannot stand that. They will attack us no matter what.

And we'll be there to fight them if they do. I don't see the advantage of our doing it while being in their yard propping up despotic regimes.

And Europe would take the brunt of their wrath as they already do even with us there. Let the Euroweenies be the front line.

 

[kaz]

Bullshit. The Left has been rooting for us to lose in Iraq pretty much since the war was more than 48 hours old.
What we are seeing are the results of disengagement, not engagement. This situation gives the lie to every liberal and brain dead losertarian that the problem with the world is US invovlement. The problem is the opposite.

there it is....a partisan post by a partisan who is basically saying the left hates america because they didnt support a war that wasnt needed.

Its almost like saying you hope Obama Fails....

LOL, "partisan" is what you are doing. Rabbi isn't doing it for a party like you, he believes what he is saying. I may not agree with him, but he's clearly not saying what he is for the benefit of the Republican party. You would have to be a complete and utter moron to think that's why he's arguing it. Um...oh...I get it now...

You're doing it for your political party. When W was in power, Iraq was bad. Suddenly it was good under Obama, except the part under W, that is still bad. Even though it's good now. See how that work? You're a Democrat. Dude, buy a dictionary.