CDZ Water bottles and sticks will soon give way to firearms and IED's

[martybegan]

3. Anything can be made into a weapon, meaningless

It would still have the effect of toning down the visual alarm and reduce the total number of weapons at hand.

The problem is you can't guarantee some idiots won't show up and quickly wade into whatever rally is already going on.

The Police have to take back control of these situations if people are to feel comfortable enough to show up without arming themselves, or bringing things like defense shields.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

 

[martybegan]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The problem is you can't guarantee some idiots won't show up and quickly wade into whatever rally is already going on.

Obviously one can never guarantee anything, but you dont think this would reduce the difficulty of the police at all? OR minimize the bloodshed some?

The Police have to take back control of these situations if people are to feel comfortable enough to show up without arming themselves, or bringing things like defense shields.

I am OK with defensive objects like shields, but certainly clubs and molotovs should be confiscated and the posessor charged.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

 

[MarathonMike]

Finger pointing accomplishes nothing.

First, stop this ridiculous assault on inanimate objects that have been in parks rusting and fading in the sun for decades. All of a sudden they are Oh so offensive?

Second, let police do their job and not let mobs rule as the Liberal leadership has allowed in Ferguson, Baltimore, Berkeley and Charlottsville, to name a few.

Agreed, except, it's not the "liberals" I have a problem with. At least they still believe in America (well, most of them at least). It's the "Progressives" I don't like. And, yes, they come from ALL parts of the political spectrum.

Yes but that line between Liberal and Progressive gets more blurry every day. Both parties have their extreme elements, but the Left's lunatic fringe appears to be growing spurred on by propaganda that used to be "The News".

 

[MarathonMike]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

I have neither read nor seen any evidence of Police intervention. You had two highly contentious groups just square off. They may as well have rung a bell and have that fight announcer guy say "LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEE"

 

[Wry Catcher]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

I have neither read nor seen any evidence of Police intervention. You had two highly contentious groups just square off. They may as well have rung a bell and have that fight announcer guy say "LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEE"

What training have you had in crowd control? Placing blame is so Trumpian!

 

[2aguy]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

Yeah...except for that pesky Constitution.....carrying a weapon for self defense is a Right...as is freedom of speech.....and you can bet that left wing antifa will not be disarmed while anyone antifa opposes will find themselves helpless as the antifa thugs beat their brains in.....

 

[eagle1462010]

The poll is a joke..............

This is a State Issue and law enforcement issue.............The President should offer support to the State and local law enforcement agencies is needed. Condemn all violence and allow the States to handle their own affairs.

States have police, and a National Guard for this very purpose.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

Yeah...except for that pesky Constitution.....carrying a weapon for self defense is a Right...as is freedom of speech.....and you can bet that left wing antifa will not be disarmed while anyone antifa opposes will find themselves helpless as the antifa thugs beat their brains in.....

As usual you are full of shit. Why don't you spend your time proving you have this right, and walk into a police or sheriff's office and pull out a push button and tell the first LEO you see it's your right to have this weapon.

 

[martybegan]

The problem is you can't guarantee some idiots won't show up and quickly wade into whatever rally is already going on.

Obviously one can never guarantee anything, but you dont think this would reduce the difficulty of the police at all? OR minimize the bloodshed some?

The Police have to take back control of these situations if people are to feel comfortable enough to show up without arming themselves, or bringing things like defense shields.

I am OK with defensive objects like shields, but certainly clubs and molotovs should be confiscated and the posessor charged.

Molotov's 100%. But even a chair leg can be turned into a club, plus a bunch of things one can find on a street.

 

[martybegan]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

if the police ban such items and don't prevent others from showing up with them. then the police become 100% ,liable, no qualified immunity. You have a left wing group that publicly states they will use force to prevent speech and rallys they decree to be "nazi".

 

[Wry Catcher]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

if the police ban such items and don't prevent others from showing up with them. then the police become 100% ,liable, no qualified immunity. You have a left wing group that publicly states they will use force to prevent speech and rallys they decree to be "nazi".

Why would the police choose not to apply the same rules to everyone? Of course with a mass of people, profiling becomes essential, thus someone carrying Nazi
symbolism or BLM, etc. will be more closely watched and examined.

Liability applies if and only if there is negligence. Given the force of LE in Boston, one can be sure its success will be provided each time the neo nazi / neo fascists miscreants choose to use hate speech in a public forum.

 

[martybegan]

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

What training have you had in crowd management?

None, but even a novice can see the cops clearly didn't keep the two sides apart.

Crowd control was in effect, but was not effective. After action reviews will produce what went wrong and how. No weapons or defensive apparatus should be allowed within a perimeter where a permit has been issued, and each permit should be evaluated and rated, the more likely for an incident, the greater the cost of the permit.

Within the perimeter, which should exceed beyond the scope of the permit, loitering or acting suspiciously in the opinion of sworn LE, uniformed or not, shall be asked to submit to search and seizure, or if unwilling to do so, s/he shall be checked for weapons (pat down) and after providing required ID be told to leave the area, or be subject to arrest.

Anyone found to be in possession of a dangerous weapon, see:

2005 California Penal Code Sections 12020-12040 :: :: :: Article 2. :: Unlawful Carrying and Possession of Weapons

should be charged with a felony, and suffer the full penalty as warranted by the law.

BTW, the link has one mistake. No one charged and convicted of a single crime can be sentenced to county jail for more that 356 days. A sentence of 3 years is a commitment to the St. Prison.

if the police ban such items and don't prevent others from showing up with them. then the police become 100% ,liable, no qualified immunity. You have a left wing group that publicly states they will use force to prevent speech and rallys they decree to be "nazi".

Why would the police choose not to apply the same rules to everyone? Of course with a mass of people, profiling becomes essential, thus someone carrying Nazi
symbolism or BLM, etc. will be more closely watched and examined.

Liability applies if and only if there is negligence. Given the force of LE in Boston, one can be sure its success will be provided each time the neo nazi / neo fascists miscreants choose to use hate speech in a public forum.

When you are dealing with the permitted side of the protest, you are dealing with people who are getting there ahead of time, assembling at a specific point, and either staying there or marching to another specific point by a specific route.

Counter-protesters, especially those without permits, cannot be so determined. they can show up en masse, or in penny packet groups from multiple directions. The police have to be ready for this, and if they enforced any disarmament provisions on the permitted protesters, they then become 100% responsible for their safety, and at a minimum the city becomes liable if anyone enters their area armed and causes harm.

And as for the Boston free speech rally, why are you, like the MSM, linking it to White power idiots? Do you have any evidence the Boston rally contained neo nazis/neo fascists?

 

[Chuz Life]

I believe the FBI should investigate and even infiltrate all the groups involved. Determine who the leaders are and what their (non public) agendas are. Then, either bring them down with RICO laws or bring them into negotiations. If Israel and Palestine can be 'brought to the table' any other groups can too.

 

[miketx]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Make legal for anyone to carry a gun anywhere.

 

[Geaux4it]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Obama started this fire, let him put it out

-Geaux

 

[JimBowie1958]

Molotov's 100%. But even a chair leg can be turned into a club, plus a bunch of things one can find on a street.

Sure, I agree there is nothing one can do about people trained to use improvised weapons, but most people dont have that training, hell or any training at all as far as that goes, so you would achieve the goal of reducing the potential harm exponentially.

 

[martybegan]

Molotov's 100%. But even a chair leg can be turned into a club, plus a bunch of things one can find on a street.

Sure, I agree there is nothing one can do about people trained to use improvised weapons, but most people dont have that training, hell or any training at all as far as that goes, so you would achieve the goal of reducing the potential harm exponentially.

If and only if both sides are disarmed equally. You disarm the permitted rally than then the counter-protesters show up armed and in ways or numbers the police can't control and you may have a slaughter on your hands.