CDZ Water bottles and sticks will soon give way to firearms and IED's

[martybegan]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

Always someone to blame, you must have gone to Trump U.

Blame goes where blame deserves to go. They had a valid permit to march and assemble, and others tried to deny them the right to do so. The Police were obligated to keep the groups apart, and they didn't.

The permit was revoked prior to the time the assembly was to begin!

Proof?

And why was it revoked? A heckler's veto is not a reason to revoke the permit. The police should have confronted and arrested anyone trying to disrupt a legal permitted protest.

 

[OldLady]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

1. Never, you would all scream Trump is a Fascist even louder if Habeas is suspended.
2. The Police can handle it if they are given the proper orders
3. Anything can be made into a weapon, meaningless
4. About as Unconstitutional as one can get.

There is absolutely no reason to allow bats, shields, pepper spray and cement filled soda cans into a political rally. Or masks. Or body armor. Those rifle toting militia who had taken it upon themselves to police the crowd for awhile? Kudos to them for keeping those guns silent.

I thought about it this morning. Thank God they kept the guns out of it.

A person has a right to defend themselves, even when others decide to use such things to attack others, not defend.

You would have to search every single person and that would just move the fight from the square to the barriers.

If people think they cannot peacefully protest without risk of harm, they will arm themselves to defend themselves.

You would have to search every single person
It's pretty hard to hide body armor and bats. Frisk doesn't take that long. You don't need a cooler at a rally. I think you're coming up with excuses because you LIKE to see violence at these rallies. There's no need of it.

 

[martybegan]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Actually what happened in Virginia could have been prevented if the locals had done their duty, i.e. keep the protesters in the areas they had permits for.

Always someone to blame, you must have gone to Trump U.

Blame goes where blame deserves to go. They had a valid permit to march and assemble, and others tried to deny them the right to do so. The Police were obligated to keep the groups apart, and they didn't.

The permit was revoked prior to the time the assembly was to begin!

How soon before? Proof? What was the reason?

If all the people were there already, kind of dumb to revoke it, right?

 

[martybegan]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

1. Never, you would all scream Trump is a Fascist even louder if Habeas is suspended.
2. The Police can handle it if they are given the proper orders
3. Anything can be made into a weapon, meaningless
4. About as Unconstitutional as one can get.

There is absolutely no reason to allow bats, shields, pepper spray and cement filled soda cans into a political rally. Or masks. Or body armor. Those rifle toting militia who had taken it upon themselves to police the crowd for awhile? Kudos to them for keeping those guns silent.

I thought about it this morning. Thank God they kept the guns out of it.

A person has a right to defend themselves, even when others decide to use such things to attack others, not defend.

You would have to search every single person and that would just move the fight from the square to the barriers.

If people think they cannot peacefully protest without risk of harm, they will arm themselves to defend themselves.

You would have to search every single person
It's pretty hard to hide body armor and bats. Frisk doesn't take that long. You don't need a cooler at a rally. I think you're coming up with excuses because you LIKE to see violence at these rallies. There's no need of it.

If you disarm one side, the side that shows up for the valid permit, and then a horde of makeshift armed counter-protesters shows up and breaks the police cordon, then the implementor of the restrictions just probably killed a bunch of people.

Stop blaming people who want to defend themselves and blame the people who stated clearly that they would stop the Nazi assholes by any means nessasary.

 

[OldLady]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

1. Never, you would all scream Trump is a Fascist even louder if Habeas is suspended.
2. The Police can handle it if they are given the proper orders
3. Anything can be made into a weapon, meaningless
4. About as Unconstitutional as one can get.

There is absolutely no reason to allow bats, shields, pepper spray and cement filled soda cans into a political rally. Or masks. Or body armor. Those rifle toting militia who had taken it upon themselves to police the crowd for awhile? Kudos to them for keeping those guns silent.

I thought about it this morning. Thank God they kept the guns out of it.

A person has a right to defend themselves, even when others decide to use such things to attack others, not defend.

You would have to search every single person and that would just move the fight from the square to the barriers.

If people think they cannot peacefully protest without risk of harm, they will arm themselves to defend themselves.

You would have to search every single person
It's pretty hard to hide body armor and bats. Frisk doesn't take that long. You don't need a cooler at a rally. I think you're coming up with excuses because you LIKE to see violence at these rallies. There's no need of it.

If you disarm one side, the side that shows up for the valid permit, and then a horde of makeshift armed counter-protesters shows up and breaks the police cordon, then the implementor of the restrictions just probably killed a bunch of people.

Stop blaming people who want to defend themselves and blame the people who stated clearly that they would stop the Nazi assholes by any means nessasary.

I'm not blaming anyone, Marty. Neither side should be carrying any weapons. Period. If a group breaks the police cordon, those people are hauled away in a police van. Simple shrimple.

 

[martybegan]

1. Never, you would all scream Trump is a Fascist even louder if Habeas is suspended.
2. The Police can handle it if they are given the proper orders
3. Anything can be made into a weapon, meaningless
4. About as Unconstitutional as one can get.

There is absolutely no reason to allow bats, shields, pepper spray and cement filled soda cans into a political rally. Or masks. Or body armor. Those rifle toting militia who had taken it upon themselves to police the crowd for awhile? Kudos to them for keeping those guns silent.

I thought about it this morning. Thank God they kept the guns out of it.

A person has a right to defend themselves, even when others decide to use such things to attack others, not defend.

You would have to search every single person and that would just move the fight from the square to the barriers.

If people think they cannot peacefully protest without risk of harm, they will arm themselves to defend themselves.

You would have to search every single person
It's pretty hard to hide body armor and bats. Frisk doesn't take that long. You don't need a cooler at a rally. I think you're coming up with excuses because you LIKE to see violence at these rallies. There's no need of it.

If you disarm one side, the side that shows up for the valid permit, and then a horde of makeshift armed counter-protesters shows up and breaks the police cordon, then the implementor of the restrictions just probably killed a bunch of people.

Stop blaming people who want to defend themselves and blame the people who stated clearly that they would stop the Nazi assholes by any means nessasary.

I'm not blaming anyone, Marty. Neither side should be carrying any weapons. Period. If a group breaks the police cordon, those people are hauled away in a police van. Simple shrimple.

Unless the cops hold back, kind of like what just happened.

You have a group, Anti-fa that has made it known they will use violence to disrupt assemblies they don't like. You have Police departments afraid to confront them for either political or legal reasons. Unless they decide to embrace non-violence, any right leaning protester would be an idiot not to show up ready to defend themselves.

 

[Wry Catcher]

There is absolutely no reason to allow bats, shields, pepper spray and cement filled soda cans into a political rally. Or masks. Or body armor. Those rifle toting militia who had taken it upon themselves to police the crowd for awhile? Kudos to them for keeping those guns silent.

I thought about it this morning. Thank God they kept the guns out of it.

A person has a right to defend themselves, even when others decide to use such things to attack others, not defend.

You would have to search every single person and that would just move the fight from the square to the barriers.

If people think they cannot peacefully protest without risk of harm, they will arm themselves to defend themselves.

You would have to search every single person
It's pretty hard to hide body armor and bats. Frisk doesn't take that long. You don't need a cooler at a rally. I think you're coming up with excuses because you LIKE to see violence at these rallies. There's no need of it.

If you disarm one side, the side that shows up for the valid permit, and then a horde of makeshift armed counter-protesters shows up and breaks the police cordon, then the implementor of the restrictions just probably killed a bunch of people.

Stop blaming people who want to defend themselves and blame the people who stated clearly that they would stop the Nazi assholes by any means nessasary.

I'm not blaming anyone, Marty. Neither side should be carrying any weapons. Period. If a group breaks the police cordon, those people are hauled away in a police van. Simple shrimple.

Unless the cops hold back, kind of like what just happened.

You have a group, Anti-fa that has made it known they will use violence to disrupt assemblies they don't like. You have Police departments afraid to confront them for either political or legal reasons. Unless they decide to embrace non-violence, any right leaning protester would be an idiot not to show up ready to defend themselves.

Here's the problem: Why go where an expected riot will breakout, if one doesn't seek the violence? The problem with carrying a gun, is the gun gives its holder false courage and instead of using common sense and allowing LE to do its job, they put themselves in harms way.

 

[westwall]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

How about we let the locals handle it. And more importantly MAKE sure they handle it, and don't allow the crap to escalate out of control as happened in VA.

 

[Correll]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

1. Your subtle godwin smear of your enemies is noted. YOu actually have some neo nazis to talk about, for once. BUt you have to use the much vaguer and inaccurate "alt-right" to smear just about everyone to the RIght of John Fricking McCain. That was pretty vile of you. YOu should be ashamed.

2. Ban masks at "protests". IT's been done, and really settles the lefty brown shirts down nicely.

3. Investigate lefty politicians who order police to stand down to encourage mob violence. THey are implicitly assisting violations of civil rights.

 

[WillowTree]

Why not dew what the mayor of Baltimore did? Give them room to destroy? The left did not bitch about that!

 

[Correll]

1. Never, you would all scream Trump is a Fascist even louder if Habeas is suspended.
2. The Police can handle it if they are given the proper orders
3. Anything can be made into a weapon, meaningless
4. About as Unconstitutional as one can get.

There is absolutely no reason to allow bats, shields, pepper spray and cement filled soda cans into a political rally. Or masks. Or body armor. Those rifle toting militia who had taken it upon themselves to police the crowd for awhile? Kudos to them for keeping those guns silent.

I thought about it this morning. Thank God they kept the guns out of it.

A person has a right to defend themselves, even when others decide to use such things to attack others, not defend.

You would have to search every single person and that would just move the fight from the square to the barriers.

If people think they cannot peacefully protest without risk of harm, they will arm themselves to defend themselves.

You would have to search every single person
It's pretty hard to hide body armor and bats. Frisk doesn't take that long. You don't need a cooler at a rally. I think you're coming up with excuses because you LIKE to see violence at these rallies. There's no need of it.

If you disarm one side, the side that shows up for the valid permit, and then a horde of makeshift armed counter-protesters shows up and breaks the police cordon, then the implementor of the restrictions just probably killed a bunch of people.

Stop blaming people who want to defend themselves and blame the people who stated clearly that they would stop the Nazi assholes by any means nessasary.

I'm not blaming anyone, Marty. Neither side should be carrying any weapons. Period. If a group breaks the police cordon, those people are hauled away in a police van. Simple shrimple.

That will be of great comfort to those in the hospital, or the morgue.


The LEft is using brown shirt tactics. The street thugs show up to intimidate or simply attack their political enemies. The local politicians order the police to stand down to let them.


The Left is the real problem here.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

It’s the responsibility of the courts to follow settled, accepted First Amendment case law to address this issue when local jurisdictions do the same.

The First Amendment is not ‘unlimited’ – it is not the right to say anything one wishes anywhere or at any time he wishes; it is not the right for one to gather, demonstrate, or protest anywhere he wishes, at any time, for however long he wishes.

As long as local jurisdictions place restrictions and limits on protests and marches which are content neutral, motivated solely by the desire to promote public safety, where protesters and marchers have ample alternate avenues of expression available to them, those jurisdictions may prohibit demonstrations such as what occurred in Charlottesville, where those prohibitions are perfectly consistent with First Amendment jurisprudence, in no manner violating the right to free speech or freedom of assembly. (See, e.g., Frisby v. Schultz (1988))

Indeed, in Charlottesville, authorities sought to relocate the demonstration to a more appropriate, manageable venue that allowed the demonstrators to express their views and opinions while safeguarding public safety.

Unfortunately, a judge ruled in favor of the protesters – a clear failure on the part of the judiciary.

Just as laws and measures enacted by government are presumed to be Constitutional, so too should decisions made by local jurisdictions to limit or prohibit violent demonstrations be presumed to be Constitutional, as long as government is not seeking to silence speech because of its content – such as the speech of neo-Nazis and the Alt-Right – and as long as government affords demonstrators other venues where they might express themselves.

 

[2aguy]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

Nothing...right now it is a state issue, the governor can call out the National Guard......the white national socialists and the antifa socialists are not a major problem...the major problem is the mayor called off the police...had they simply kept the two sides separated none of the violence would have happened.....

 

[2aguy]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

1. Never, you would all scream Trump is a Fascist even louder if Habeas is suspended.
2. The Police can handle it if they are given the proper orders
3. Anything can be made into a weapon, meaningless
4. About as Unconstitutional as one can get.

There is absolutely no reason to allow bats, shields, pepper spray and cement filled soda cans into a political rally. Or masks. Or body armor. Those rifle toting militia who had taken it upon themselves to police the crowd for awhile? Kudos to them for keeping those guns silent.

I thought about it this morning. Thank God they kept the guns out of it.

Yes.....isn't it? No shots fired.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Solution?

Have the police arrest violent Nazi thugs, instead of standing back and allowing them to attack peaceful protestors.

So you don't think the Antifa are violent thugs who were attacking protestors? Stupid twits like you are the reason why Donald Trump got elected President, because NORMAL people don't like you or what your side stands for(violence and hate). US citizens don't want Marxism and what it brings, they want decency and law, while your side is immoral and lawbreakers.

Alt right - Nazi's/Fascists - Common root Socialism
Alt left - Communism/Marxists - Common root Socialism

NY Times Reporter Admits Antifa Protesters In Charlottesville Were 'Hate-Filled' And Violent Before Left Forces Her To Backtrack

New York Times reporter Sheryl Gay Stolberg made the mistake of admitting that along with the abhorrent, violent, white supremacists who terrorized Charlottesville over the weekend, many Antifa protesters were also enacting "hate-filled" violence, as they've done in several other cities in recent months. For noting that the "hard left seemed as hate-filled as the alt-right" — citing "club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park" — Stolberg was hammered online, even after repenting and issuing a correction that depicted the violent left in more heroic terms.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Solution?

Have the police arrest violent Nazi thugs, instead of standing back and allowing them to attack peaceful protestors.

 

[martybegan]

A person has a right to defend themselves, even when others decide to use such things to attack others, not defend.

You would have to search every single person and that would just move the fight from the square to the barriers.

If people think they cannot peacefully protest without risk of harm, they will arm themselves to defend themselves.

You would have to search every single person
It's pretty hard to hide body armor and bats. Frisk doesn't take that long. You don't need a cooler at a rally. I think you're coming up with excuses because you LIKE to see violence at these rallies. There's no need of it.

If you disarm one side, the side that shows up for the valid permit, and then a horde of makeshift armed counter-protesters shows up and breaks the police cordon, then the implementor of the restrictions just probably killed a bunch of people.

Stop blaming people who want to defend themselves and blame the people who stated clearly that they would stop the Nazi assholes by any means nessasary.

I'm not blaming anyone, Marty. Neither side should be carrying any weapons. Period. If a group breaks the police cordon, those people are hauled away in a police van. Simple shrimple.

Unless the cops hold back, kind of like what just happened.

You have a group, Anti-fa that has made it known they will use violence to disrupt assemblies they don't like. You have Police departments afraid to confront them for either political or legal reasons. Unless they decide to embrace non-violence, any right leaning protester would be an idiot not to show up ready to defend themselves.

Here's the problem: Why go where an expected riot will breakout, if one doesn't seek the violence? The problem with carrying a gun, is the gun gives its holder false courage and instead of using common sense and allowing LE to do its job, they put themselves in harms way.

The Nazi idiots planned the rally first, the Anti-fa idiots said they would break up the rally by any means nessasary. The Cops didn't do their job.

If you want these things to turn into blood baths, the government should just keep doing what it is doing.

 

[martybegan]

Alt-Right v. antifa: chaos reigns.

What is the duty of the POTUS now, before this public violence becomes more deadly?

It’s the responsibility of the courts to follow settled, accepted First Amendment case law to address this issue when local jurisdictions do the same.

The First Amendment is not ‘unlimited’ – it is not the right to say anything one wishes anywhere or at any time he wishes; it is not the right for one to gather, demonstrate, or protest anywhere he wishes, at any time, for however long he wishes.

As long as local jurisdictions place restrictions and limits on protests and marches which are content neutral, motivated solely by the desire to promote public safety, where protesters and marchers have ample alternate avenues of expression available to them, those jurisdictions may prohibit demonstrations such as what occurred in Charlottesville, where those prohibitions are perfectly consistent with First Amendment jurisprudence, in no manner violating the right to free speech or freedom of assembly. (See, e.g., Frisby v. Schultz (1988))

Indeed, in Charlottesville, authorities sought to relocate the demonstration to a more appropriate, manageable venue that allowed the demonstrators to express their views and opinions while safeguarding public safety.

Unfortunately, a judge ruled in favor of the protesters – a clear failure on the part of the judiciary.

Just as laws and measures enacted by government are presumed to be Constitutional, so too should decisions made by local jurisdictions to limit or prohibit violent demonstrations be presumed to be Constitutional, as long as government is not seeking to silence speech because of its content – such as the speech of neo-Nazis and the Alt-Right – and as long as government affords demonstrators other venues where they might express themselves.

Bullshit. They asked to move it because of the fear of a heckler's veto by the Anti-fa idiots. Plus the whole protest was about the removal of the Statue from that park. Moving it from that park defeats the purpose.

The attempt to move the protests was based on it's content flowing from the potential for violent counter protesters attempting a heckler's veto.

The counter-protesters were given other spaces, and the peaceful ones complied. Anti-fa, however did not.

The Cops had a responsibility to keep them away from the legal permitted protest, no matter how disgusting the views of the protesters.

 

[mamooth]

Again, the Nazis came out of the spot they had a permit for and marched around town attacking people, which they most certainly did not have a permit for.

That's not debatable. Only Nazi-apologists are trying to push the faked stories about poor Nazis minding their business and being attacked.

Nor is it debatable that the alt-right is fabricating stories about an "alt-left" of any sort existing. We know the alt-right exists, because they named themselves that. They're pretending that an alt-left exists, and is racust and violent, to deflect attention from their own racism and violence. Standard Alinskyist tactics from the alt-right brownshirts.

The two sides are totally different. The left is consistently peaceful. The right is consistently violent, and the right lies about the left to justify their own violence. Fascism 101. And boy howdy does the right get upset when you point that out. The right is trying to gaslight the USA, telling everyone not to believe their lying eyes. But nobody is falling for it, and the right doesn't know what to do about that.

 

[2aguy]

Again, the Nazis came out of the spot they had a permit for and marched around town attacking people, which they most certainly did not have a permit for.

That's not debatable. Only Nazi-apologists are trying to push the faked stories about poor Nazis minding their business and being attacked.

Nor is it debatable that the alt-right is fabricating stories about an "alt-left" of any sort existing. We know the alt-right exists, because they named themselves that. They're pretending that an alt-left exists, and is racust and violent, to deflect attention from their own racism and violence. Standard Alinskyist tactics from the alt-right brownshirts.

The two sides are totally different. The left is consistently peaceful. The right is consistently violent, and the right lies about the left to justify their own violence. Fascism 101. And boy howdy does the right get upset when you point that out. The right is trying to gaslight the USA, telling everyone not to believe their lying eyes. But nobody is falling for it, and the right doesn't know what to do about that.

with all of the video of the rally, there is no video showing the white racist, socialists initiating attacks on anyone except for the white racist in the car....all the actual violence was started by antifa and black lives matter....

the two sides are the same.....

White nationalists....racist and socialist


Antifa and black lives matter...racist and socialist

black lives matter sympathizer and racist murdered 5 police officers at the Dallas rally.

bernie sanders supporter tried to murder the entire republican baseball team.....

The truth is the truth.