Washington Post audio of Trump berating and threatening Georgia Secretary of State for not "finding" votes to change election result. Sedition?

[Faun]

Pat Toomey is the worst sort of political vampire there is supporting Brad Raffensperger, who is at the center
of the epic election fraud in Georgia, probably the most corrupt state in the nation with regard to
fixing the 2020 presidential election.
Go to Hell, Toomey. For cheap partisan gain you are willing to consign the US to banana republic status
giving cover to election fraud.

Seriously...fuck you!

There's NO election fraud in Georgia.. Just Trump's lies and slander. Don't be a sucker. This is the most thoroughly scrutinized election in history.

Fucking moron, still waiting for an answer... how many court cases have proven voter fraud... pick a number...

 

[Hellokitty]

 

[Meathead]

[QUOTE="Faun, post: 26256303, member: 33829"

You're actually agreeing with me that Impeached Trump makes claims based on unreliable sources.


[/QUOTE]
If you had two grammar points/mistakes., you'd be right,

 

[Faun]

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?

I wonder who recorded Trump's rant and who leaked it. I'm glad they did, don't get me wrong. But some people seem to be pretty fed up with Trump and his antics

Raffensperger did both, moron.

So? Good for him for setting the record straight.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Does the NYTs claim the GA Sec of State violated that statute? That's a yes or no.

No it is not a "yes or no" at this point. The problem conservatives is that you guys dumb everyhing down and see everything in terms of black and white, good and bad, a crime or not a crime because you lack the intelectual capacity to deal with nuances and complicated questions. Prosecutors will have to carefully consider what was said and what Trumps intentions were. My guess is that if he did not commit a crime he came dand close and at best his actions were unethical and inapproriate. His desparation is showing. He is in melt down of the defeat, and you guys are too. I'm enjoying the shit show.

Just as I expected, you are too stupid to follow a conversation before jumping to expose just how dumb you are.

We were not talking about the bullshit charge that Trump violated laws, that's already been shot down.

We were talking about Fawnboi's claim Trump threatened the GA SOS by saying he committed a crime and could be incarcerated. Try to keep up, Dumbass.

No! You are too stupid to grasp my point . You didn't even listen to the recording did you? You don't actually want information except that which fits your preconceived ideas as to what happened and what it means. You can go now. Dismissed. NOTHING has been shot down. NOTHING

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Why does the title of this thread conflict with what actually occurred? Oh that's right, OP is PROG.

Even with a doctored edition for what was said Trump did no such thing, and it wasn't even implied. Trump is within his boundaries to request a Governor follows the rule. The gov. insists he has, well that would be subjective until proved otherwise. Problem is separation Fed. & State. End of the day it's the Gov. responsibility unless it's determined nonstandard, then it's up to congress & court.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Pat Toomey is the worst sort of political vampire there is supporting Brad Raffensperger, who is at the center
of the epic election fraud in Georgia, probably the most corrupt state in the nation with regard to
fixing the 2020 presidential election.
Go to Hell, Toomey. For cheap partisan gain you are willing to consign the US to banana republic status
giving cover to election fraud.

Seriously...fuck you!

There's NO election fraud in Georgia.. Just Trump's lies and slander. Don't be a sucker. This is the most thoroughly scrutinized election in history.

Fucking moron, still waiting for an answer... how many court cases have proven voter fraud... pick a number...

Britpat won't be able to provide a number. Especially after the GA election official showed the claims that Trump and his supporters have used to say the election was fraudulent and stolen, and tore them to pieces. No matter how much the Trump cult members wish to say that the election was fraudulent, they can't.

Especially in the case of the GA election. Me? I'm hoping that both Dems win the Senate races. Then, there will be a Dem president, as well as a Dem majority in both the House and the Senate.

 

[surada]

Why does the title of this thread conflict with what actually occurred? Oh that's right, OP is PROG.

Even with a doctored edition for what was said Trump did no such thing, and it wasn't even implied. Trump is within his boundaries to request a Governor follows the rule. The gov. insists he has, well that would be subjective until proved otherwise. Problem is separation Fed. & State. End of the day it's the Gov. responsibility unless it's determined nonstandard, then it's up to congress & court.

You didn't listen to Trump's phone call to the GA Sec of state either.

In Georgia, a person who “solicits, requests, commands, importunes or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage” in election fraud." is guilty of a crime:

WATCH: Georgia official systematically destroys Trump’s 'wild' election fraud conspiracies

Georgia elections official Gabriel Sterling walked through the laundry list of accusations from President Donald Trump in his shakedown phone call to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R-GA), and systematically debunked them.Standing next to a chart showing "Claim vs. Fact," Sterling shouted...

www.rawstory.com

 

[Faun]

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?

america isnt a democracy you stupid fuck,,,

Dumbfuck, Georgia is a democracy and Impeached Trump threatened Georgia's Secretary of State with "vague criminal consequences" to "find" enough votes to overturn the will of Georgia's voters.

Funny how none of you libtards can quote the threat.

LOL

Nah, what's funny is that you're a raging imbecile.

"I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they’re brand new, and they don’t have seals, and there’s a whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt. And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal — it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know, what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk." ~ Impeached Trump​

Cool.

Where is the threat, Dumbass?

"That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer." ~ Impeached Trump

Cool.

Where it the threat by EXONERATED TRUMP?

Dumbfuck, that's a threat of "vague criminal consequences." It's not my problem you lack the required intelligence to comprehend that.

It is?

You have quite the imagination.

It is. Telling someone they're at "risk" of committing a "criminal offense," which could result in incarceration, is absolutely a threat of "vague criminal consequences." But don't fret, I don't expect someone of your vacuity to understand that. Just go resume your utopia of snacking on paint chips dipped in mercury.

Odd.

I don't see anything about "incarceration" in the quote you provided.

The fact you continue to make up shit exposes how weak your position is, Moron.

You lose again, Fawnboi.

LOLOL

Are you ever not a dumbfuck? Ever???

I mean exactly how retarded are you to not know that committing crime produces a risk of incarceration??

Hey stupid, Georgia has no mandatory reporting law regarding election crimes. So it isn't illegal to ignore any election law violation.

As such, there is no punishment, much less incarceration.

Do you ever get tired of me exposing what a colossal moron you are?

You lose again, Fawnboi.

Dumbfuck, Impeached Trump accused Raffensperger of committing a crime. Committing a crime produces the risk of incarceration.

What crime? Cite the statute that covers not reporting election fraud, and cite the penalties.

This will be fun.............

GO!

Once again Faun has no answer.

Typical.

But you didn't ask a substantive question. Faun posted that Trump was trying to subvert a democratic vote by individual GA citizens.

STFU, Dumbass.

Fawnboi claimed Trump threatened incarceration. I have pointed out there is no mandatory reporting law n GA, so there is no way he would be incarcerated.

Now you're lying again. I actually said Impeached Trump threatened Raffensperger with "vague criminal consequences." And I pointed out that crimes can be punishable with incarceration but I never once quoted Impeached Trump using the word, "incarceration;" nor did I ever say what crime Impeached Trump specifically accused him of committing.

No fawn
He was talking about political consequences for being yellow in a red state.

Dumbfuck, he said, "illegal" and "criminal," not political...

"it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know, what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense."​

... did ya really think the forum needed even more evidence you're an abject imbecile?

Gotta be a law broken to be illegal and/or criminal.

Cite the statute broken and the punishment for not reporting election fraud, Dumbass.

Again, ask Impeached Trump. He's the one who warned Raffensperger he's committing a crime. What I said was Impeached Trump threatened him with "vague criminal consequences."

"vague criminal consequences" is your words (or the moron you are using as a source), not Trump's Dumbass.

You make up imaginary charges............then when you get exposed as a dumbass you say you never claimed that.

It's pretty simple. So simple even a simpleton like you should be able to keep up:

For their to be criminal consequences there has to be a crime involved, Dumbass.

You make up imaginary charges

Aww, you poor, dumbfuck. Now you're lying again. In reality, i made up no charges. I even stated Impeached Trump's threat was "vague."

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to keep lying.

 

[surada]

Pat Toomey is the worst sort of political vampire there is supporting Brad Raffensperger, who is at the center
of the epic election fraud in Georgia, probably the most corrupt state in the nation with regard to
fixing the 2020 presidential election.
Go to Hell, Toomey. For cheap partisan gain you are willing to consign the US to banana republic status
giving cover to election fraud.

Seriously...fuck you!

There's NO election fraud in Georgia.. Just Trump's lies and slander. Don't be a sucker. This is the most thoroughly scrutinized election in history.

Fucking moron, still waiting for an answer... how many court cases have proven voter fraud... pick a number...

Britpat won't be able to provide a number. Especially after the GA election official showed the claims that Trump and his supporters have used to say the election was fraudulent and stolen, and tore them to pieces. No matter how much the Trump cult members wish to say that the election was fraudulent, they can't.

Especially in the case of the GA election. Me? I'm hoping that both Dems win the Senate races. Then, there will be a Dem president, as well as a Dem majority in both the House and the Senate.

Trump has done a lot to hurt Loeffler and Perdue.. but think he sank his own presidency with his lies and tweets. He's a master at self sabotage.

 

[Faun]

There is nothing illegal here.... dumb? yes. Heresay? yes
WIth all of this - obviously what is being ignored is we have two state officials who recorded a conversation with the President so they could give or sell it to the media.
It wasn't leaked. It was provided.
Is that illegal?

Have you looked at Georgia and Federal laws related to it?

If a democratic president had done what he did, would you be defending the Democratic president that lost his second term, for the same actions as Trump has done?

Yep. I would. You will never find one post from me discussing impeaching Obama. I thought the WJC impeachment was stupid too. Trump is done in less than three weeks. Who will you blame for all your ills then? Scapegoat will be long gone. Issues will still be here.

Trump is a criminal. Do we accept that?

In America you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Do we still accept that?

Only in court. If you did it, you are guilty whether it can be proved or not.

I guess you live in a different version of America than I do since here the courts determine guilt and or innocence.

These are the same people who like to say Hillary Clinton has never done anything wrong.
It's laughable

Wrong and criminal are vastly different. Wrong/Right is subjective. Criminal is objective.

Everyone knows the intent was corrupt. It will be added to his corrupt legacy.

Everyone? Every singe person in the world?

Trump does that often.. He says. "Everyone hates you or everyone is angry with you."

It can't be too comfortable to tell the President that he's full of shit:

Or that he and Brian Kemp are stealing Trump blind. He's busy stealing votes from Trump while
Trump is asking him to find some.

Raffensperger and Kemp are two rino republicans who sunk millions into Dominion vote stealing machines
for the entire state who should actually be in jail for election fraud, of which there is much in Georgia.

It's a hoot that all you folks crying over the past two months over election irregularities can't present anything but innuendo and then when it hits you in your face you're in denial. Tell us, in all the manual recounts of paper ballots conducted where did they come up with a descrepancy caused by those Dominion voting machines?

It's a hoot how your idiot-mesmerizing press omits facts that support President Trump but plan, edit, and publish lying lies that Demmies rejoice in that were actually the sins of the Clinton war room, George Soros, and rich tricksters who cheated other people out of their intellectual properties, then turned around making billions off someone else's brain trust, and if it feels good it's a drug for gullible people who fall for lies that will bury the Constitution in commie hands. Commies make laws that lead to mass murders of peaceful dissenters. Its proponents don't want even a whisper of opposition, by any means possible including slavery, justice only for themselves, death to dissenters.

Too lazy to move to a real communist society, today's communists prefer telling sweet nothings and cheating at the polls by insider deep state operators with preplanned silencers of the truth. With support of the ignorant and preaching Alinskies tried and true methods, they fool most of the people most of the time usurping thespian tricks to make cheap mush seem like caviar to the unchary.

Poor Trump.. He's been a victim for 40 years.

Hyperbole is Trump's calling card. Still to me he was a very good President.

That he was. In his four years he did great for this country and you can bet Biden will undo it all. This country was in great shape before the very convenient Chinese Virus hit. We sure won't get that greatness back with Biden at the helm.

If that jack ass gets in we will have four years of misery in this country and those that voted for his stupid as will be regretting it big time.

God willing, no nation will ever elect another white nationalist as their leader. The damage done by Donald Trump will take generations to undo, especially the transfer of wealth to the top 10%.

The USA is definitely finished as the leader of the free world. The risk of you electing another white supremecist with authoritarian tendencies, one who is either smarter or better able to wield the levers of power is much too great.

Trump has done nothing but aid, abet and facilitate the rise of China and Putin throughout his 4 years in office. Just as the west was pulling Iran away from Putin's influence, Trump ended the treaty, and attacked Iran on multiple occasions just for good measure, to ensure the Mullahs would never again trust the west, ensuring Putin's alliance was safe.

In failing to sanction Russia, Trump allowed Russia to sell its gas to the EU, saving Putin from economic ruin, and allowing Trump to whine about the EU failing to honor US sanctions. Win/win for both Trump and Putin.

In tearing up the nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia, on the grounds that Russia wasn't complying, instead of applying sanctions under the treaty to stop the violations, Trump freed Putin to develop and build his nuclear arsenal. Win for Putin.

Up until Trump decided to politicize covid and blame the Chinese for it, he was praising Xi for his "transparency" with the west to fight it. After all, Xi helped Trump's re-election campaign by signing that sham "Interim trade deal" that gave Trump a big PR victory and the American people in general and farmers in particular, nothing.

I've read enough of what passes for discussions of business, law and economics on this forum to fully understand how ignorant the posters here are to any of these issues. They just parrot whatever party line the Republican Party and the Billionaire Right Wing media is telling them on all things economic.

The one thing none of you people has ever once mentioned is the economic cost of letting the virus run unchecked in your country: how much does it cost to test 253 million people? We've done half the number of tests per million of population, and since we went with the easy to use WHO test, our tests are a whole lot cheaper and more accurate than the wild west of testing in the USA.

Then there's the cases per million of population. Yours are four times what ours are, hence you have many more hospitalizations and deaths. How much is this costing your municipal hospitals? Your private insurance companies? These are economic costs that are being paid out with the 30+% of administration costs instact, which is a further drain on your economy.

Other countries quashed the virus in the spring, allowing our people to get back to work over the summer. We're shut down now to stop the spread of virus so we can all get back to work and school. Keeping our people fed and housed in the meantime is our focus.

No one quashed the virus in the spring dumbass. They predicted 3.2 million deaths in my country and that never happened thank God.

Kick your ass back to Canada. Inflict yourself on your own citizens. Dumbass.

No they didn't, you stupid cow. They predicted 3.2 million deaths if you did absolutely nothing, and with 360,000 dead on only 21 million cases, you're right on track to meet those numbers, by the time you achieve "herd immunity", since vaccinations are completely stalled because Dumb Ass Trump didn't give the states any money to buy syringes or to hire staff to set up vaccination clinics.

The CDC predicted 60,000 deaths if you did everything "perfectly" and nothing went wrong. You did nothing right. Not testing, not PPE, and not lockdowns. The CDC said 100,000 and at the top end, 120,000 deaths if things went badly.

In addition to the 360,000 people who have died, there are currently 8 million more who are sick. At the current rate of 2.8% of positive cases dying, that's another 233,710 deaths, just on the people who are sick today, and at the rate of 200,000 new cases a day, you could soon be seeing 5,000 deaths a day within weeks.

You keep talking about these massive numbers of deaths, numbers unlike any other first world nation, as if they were nothing. As if the thousands of people are lining up in food lines were no big deal. None of this is happening in Canada, or Europe, or Australia/Asia. This isn't even happening in Africa, for heaven's sake.

Only in America. And you want to re-elect the guy who was in charge of this clusterfuck?


Trump spent all of the money getting the vaccine made, and nothing on it's distribution or getting it into arms.

Documented cases. My entire family had it but I am the only one in the database as I was the only one tested. Medical experts agree.

Trump didn't do a great job here in terms of communication but did everything else very well. Even Corpse Biden thanked him for operation warp speed.

Please stop bashing our country.

She has a reason to bash. Deaths per million in Canada is 420. It's 1087 in the U.S., roughly 2½ times worse.

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If you believe the numbers, which I don't. I already stated that number of cases is severely understated and number of deaths is overstated (that is just my guess) since hospitals get more money if the death is COVID. I had COVID back in March as did my wife and kids. I was the only one tested. So I am officially infected and recovered. My wife and kids are not in the database but they too were infected and recovered. In fact my wife doesn't have her full sense of smell and taste back yet.

We are also a much more unhealthy country than Canada. As a result many are more susceptible to COVID-19 effects. We are the fattest modern country in fact. I am sure Canada is close but they are not as fat. And they have fewer people as well.

ShortBus, I said nothing about "cases." Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you??

She did. To me all you leftists are the same.

No one but you is responsible for your shortcomings, ShortBus. Time for you to man up and own your mistakes.

 

[Faun]

There is nothing illegal here.... dumb? yes. Heresay? yes
WIth all of this - obviously what is being ignored is we have two state officials who recorded a conversation with the President so they could give or sell it to the media.
It wasn't leaked. It was provided.
Is that illegal?

Have you looked at Georgia and Federal laws related to it?

If a democratic president had done what he did, would you be defending the Democratic president that lost his second term, for the same actions as Trump has done?

Yep. I would. You will never find one post from me discussing impeaching Obama. I thought the WJC impeachment was stupid too. Trump is done in less than three weeks. Who will you blame for all your ills then? Scapegoat will be long gone. Issues will still be here.

Trump is a criminal. Do we accept that?

In America you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Do we still accept that?

Only in court. If you did it, you are guilty whether it can be proved or not.

I guess you live in a different version of America than I do since here the courts determine guilt and or innocence.

These are the same people who like to say Hillary Clinton has never done anything wrong.
It's laughable

Wrong and criminal are vastly different. Wrong/Right is subjective. Criminal is objective.

Everyone knows the intent was corrupt. It will be added to his corrupt legacy.

Everyone? Every singe person in the world?

Trump does that often.. He says. "Everyone hates you or everyone is angry with you."

It can't be too comfortable to tell the President that he's full of shit:

Or that he and Brian Kemp are stealing Trump blind. He's busy stealing votes from Trump while
Trump is asking him to find some.

Raffensperger and Kemp are two rino republicans who sunk millions into Dominion vote stealing machines
for the entire state who should actually be in jail for election fraud, of which there is much in Georgia.

It's a hoot that all you folks crying over the past two months over election irregularities can't present anything but innuendo and then when it hits you in your face you're in denial. Tell us, in all the manual recounts of paper ballots conducted where did they come up with a descrepancy caused by those Dominion voting machines?

It's a hoot how your idiot-mesmerizing press omits facts that support President Trump but plan, edit, and publish lying lies that Demmies rejoice in that were actually the sins of the Clinton war room, George Soros, and rich tricksters who cheated other people out of their intellectual properties, then turned around making billions off someone else's brain trust, and if it feels good it's a drug for gullible people who fall for lies that will bury the Constitution in commie hands. Commies make laws that lead to mass murders of peaceful dissenters. Its proponents don't want even a whisper of opposition, by any means possible including slavery, justice only for themselves, death to dissenters.

Too lazy to move to a real communist society, today's communists prefer telling sweet nothings and cheating at the polls by insider deep state operators with preplanned silencers of the truth. With support of the ignorant and preaching Alinskies tried and true methods, they fool most of the people most of the time usurping thespian tricks to make cheap mush seem like caviar to the unchary.

Poor Trump.. He's been a victim for 40 years.

Hyperbole is Trump's calling card. Still to me he was a very good President.

That he was. In his four years he did great for this country and you can bet Biden will undo it all. This country was in great shape before the very convenient Chinese Virus hit. We sure won't get that greatness back with Biden at the helm.

If that jack ass gets in we will have four years of misery in this country and those that voted for his stupid as will be regretting it big time.

God willing, no nation will ever elect another white nationalist as their leader. The damage done by Donald Trump will take generations to undo, especially the transfer of wealth to the top 10%.

The USA is definitely finished as the leader of the free world. The risk of you electing another white supremecist with authoritarian tendencies, one who is either smarter or better able to wield the levers of power is much too great.

Trump has done nothing but aid, abet and facilitate the rise of China and Putin throughout his 4 years in office. Just as the west was pulling Iran away from Putin's influence, Trump ended the treaty, and attacked Iran on multiple occasions just for good measure, to ensure the Mullahs would never again trust the west, ensuring Putin's alliance was safe.

In failing to sanction Russia, Trump allowed Russia to sell its gas to the EU, saving Putin from economic ruin, and allowing Trump to whine about the EU failing to honor US sanctions. Win/win for both Trump and Putin.

In tearing up the nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia, on the grounds that Russia wasn't complying, instead of applying sanctions under the treaty to stop the violations, Trump freed Putin to develop and build his nuclear arsenal. Win for Putin.

Up until Trump decided to politicize covid and blame the Chinese for it, he was praising Xi for his "transparency" with the west to fight it. After all, Xi helped Trump's re-election campaign by signing that sham "Interim trade deal" that gave Trump a big PR victory and the American people in general and farmers in particular, nothing.

I've read enough of what passes for discussions of business, law and economics on this forum to fully understand how ignorant the posters here are to any of these issues. They just parrot whatever party line the Republican Party and the Billionaire Right Wing media is telling them on all things economic.

The one thing none of you people has ever once mentioned is the economic cost of letting the virus run unchecked in your country: how much does it cost to test 253 million people? We've done half the number of tests per million of population, and since we went with the easy to use WHO test, our tests are a whole lot cheaper and more accurate than the wild west of testing in the USA.

Then there's the cases per million of population. Yours are four times what ours are, hence you have many more hospitalizations and deaths. How much is this costing your municipal hospitals? Your private insurance companies? These are economic costs that are being paid out with the 30+% of administration costs instact, which is a further drain on your economy.

Other countries quashed the virus in the spring, allowing our people to get back to work over the summer. We're shut down now to stop the spread of virus so we can all get back to work and school. Keeping our people fed and housed in the meantime is our focus.

No one quashed the virus in the spring dumbass. They predicted 3.2 million deaths in my country and that never happened thank God.

Kick your ass back to Canada. Inflict yourself on your own citizens. Dumbass.

No they didn't, you stupid cow. They predicted 3.2 million deaths if you did absolutely nothing, and with 360,000 dead on only 21 million cases, you're right on track to meet those numbers, by the time you achieve "herd immunity", since vaccinations are completely stalled because Dumb Ass Trump didn't give the states any money to buy syringes or to hire staff to set up vaccination clinics.

The CDC predicted 60,000 deaths if you did everything "perfectly" and nothing went wrong. You did nothing right. Not testing, not PPE, and not lockdowns. The CDC said 100,000 and at the top end, 120,000 deaths if things went badly.

In addition to the 360,000 people who have died, there are currently 8 million more who are sick. At the current rate of 2.8% of positive cases dying, that's another 233,710 deaths, just on the people who are sick today, and at the rate of 200,000 new cases a day, you could soon be seeing 5,000 deaths a day within weeks.

You keep talking about these massive numbers of deaths, numbers unlike any other first world nation, as if they were nothing. As if the thousands of people are lining up in food lines were no big deal. None of this is happening in Canada, or Europe, or Australia/Asia. This isn't even happening in Africa, for heaven's sake.

Only in America. And you want to re-elect the guy who was in charge of this clusterfuck?


Trump spent all of the money getting the vaccine made, and nothing on it's distribution or getting it into arms.

Documented cases. My entire family had it but I am the only one in the database as I was the only one tested. Medical experts agree.

Trump didn't do a great job here in terms of communication but did everything else very well. Even Corpse Biden thanked him for operation warp speed.

Please stop bashing our country.

Operation warp speed didn't do jack shit other than throw money at Big Pharma to produce a vaccine. That push was both international, and it was put together by the WHO, not Donald Trump. Pfizer, the company that "won" the race, took no money from operation warp speed. Only one of the vaccines - Moderna, was developed in the USA. Oxford-AstraZenica was developed in Great Britain.

You can't handle the truth about what is going on . You see people telling you the truth as "bashing".

More lies.

Warp Speed allowed the FDA to also approve the meds faster and money does help. Believe it or not, Ms. Socialist, $$$ is important. Again, Corpse Biden praised Trump for warp speed. So now you're bashing both Trump and Biden? Please stop bashing our country. Moderna was developed in my state and doesn't need the vaccine to be below 70 degrees to be effective. Money wasn't the only factor, speed of approval was as well.

You would not know the truth if it bit you in your fat, lying, single, ass.

The truth? Were 20 million vaccinated by 12/31?

Trump had no plan to distribute the vaccine. He had no plan to slow the spread of COVID. He called scientists liars. But I guess for a Trump loving fool like you, 350,000 and counting is irrelevant.

Trump never attended a single meeting for Warp Speed.He was busy tweeting.

Now, now, that's not fair. Give credit where credit is due. Impeached Trump did more than tweet. He played golf too.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

There is nothing illegal here.... dumb? yes. Heresay? yes
WIth all of this - obviously what is being ignored is we have two state officials who recorded a conversation with the President so they could give or sell it to the media.
It wasn't leaked. It was provided.
Is that illegal?

Have you looked at Georgia and Federal laws related to it?

If a democratic president had done what he did, would you be defending the Democratic president that lost his second term, for the same actions as Trump has done?

Yep. I would. You will never find one post from me discussing impeaching Obama. I thought the WJC impeachment was stupid too. Trump is done in less than three weeks. Who will you blame for all your ills then? Scapegoat will be long gone. Issues will still be here.

Trump is a criminal. Do we accept that?

In America you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Do we still accept that?

Only in court. If you did it, you are guilty whether it can be proved or not.

I guess you live in a different version of America than I do since here the courts determine guilt and or innocence.

These are the same people who like to say Hillary Clinton has never done anything wrong.
It's laughable

Wrong and criminal are vastly different. Wrong/Right is subjective. Criminal is objective.

Everyone knows the intent was corrupt. It will be added to his corrupt legacy.

Everyone? Every singe person in the world?

Trump does that often.. He says. "Everyone hates you or everyone is angry with you."

It can't be too comfortable to tell the President that he's full of shit:

Or that he and Brian Kemp are stealing Trump blind. He's busy stealing votes from Trump while
Trump is asking him to find some.

Raffensperger and Kemp are two rino republicans who sunk millions into Dominion vote stealing machines
for the entire state who should actually be in jail for election fraud, of which there is much in Georgia.

It's a hoot that all you folks crying over the past two months over election irregularities can't present anything but innuendo and then when it hits you in your face you're in denial. Tell us, in all the manual recounts of paper ballots conducted where did they come up with a descrepancy caused by those Dominion voting machines?

It's a hoot how your idiot-mesmerizing press omits facts that support President Trump but plan, edit, and publish lying lies that Demmies rejoice in that were actually the sins of the Clinton war room, George Soros, and rich tricksters who cheated other people out of their intellectual properties, then turned around making billions off someone else's brain trust, and if it feels good it's a drug for gullible people who fall for lies that will bury the Constitution in commie hands. Commies make laws that lead to mass murders of peaceful dissenters. Its proponents don't want even a whisper of opposition, by any means possible including slavery, justice only for themselves, death to dissenters.

Too lazy to move to a real communist society, today's communists prefer telling sweet nothings and cheating at the polls by insider deep state operators with preplanned silencers of the truth. With support of the ignorant and preaching Alinskies tried and true methods, they fool most of the people most of the time usurping thespian tricks to make cheap mush seem like caviar to the unchary.

Poor Trump.. He's been a victim for 40 years.

Hyperbole is Trump's calling card. Still to me he was a very good President.

That he was. In his four years he did great for this country and you can bet Biden will undo it all. This country was in great shape before the very convenient Chinese Virus hit. We sure won't get that greatness back with Biden at the helm.

If that jack ass gets in we will have four years of misery in this country and those that voted for his stupid as will be regretting it big time.

God willing, no nation will ever elect another white nationalist as their leader. The damage done by Donald Trump will take generations to undo, especially the transfer of wealth to the top 10%.

The USA is definitely finished as the leader of the free world. The risk of you electing another white supremecist with authoritarian tendencies, one who is either smarter or better able to wield the levers of power is much too great.

Trump has done nothing but aid, abet and facilitate the rise of China and Putin throughout his 4 years in office. Just as the west was pulling Iran away from Putin's influence, Trump ended the treaty, and attacked Iran on multiple occasions just for good measure, to ensure the Mullahs would never again trust the west, ensuring Putin's alliance was safe.

In failing to sanction Russia, Trump allowed Russia to sell its gas to the EU, saving Putin from economic ruin, and allowing Trump to whine about the EU failing to honor US sanctions. Win/win for both Trump and Putin.

In tearing up the nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia, on the grounds that Russia wasn't complying, instead of applying sanctions under the treaty to stop the violations, Trump freed Putin to develop and build his nuclear arsenal. Win for Putin.

Up until Trump decided to politicize covid and blame the Chinese for it, he was praising Xi for his "transparency" with the west to fight it. After all, Xi helped Trump's re-election campaign by signing that sham "Interim trade deal" that gave Trump a big PR victory and the American people in general and farmers in particular, nothing.

I've read enough of what passes for discussions of business, law and economics on this forum to fully understand how ignorant the posters here are to any of these issues. They just parrot whatever party line the Republican Party and the Billionaire Right Wing media is telling them on all things economic.

The one thing none of you people has ever once mentioned is the economic cost of letting the virus run unchecked in your country: how much does it cost to test 253 million people? We've done half the number of tests per million of population, and since we went with the easy to use WHO test, our tests are a whole lot cheaper and more accurate than the wild west of testing in the USA.

Then there's the cases per million of population. Yours are four times what ours are, hence you have many more hospitalizations and deaths. How much is this costing your municipal hospitals? Your private insurance companies? These are economic costs that are being paid out with the 30+% of administration costs instact, which is a further drain on your economy.

Other countries quashed the virus in the spring, allowing our people to get back to work over the summer. We're shut down now to stop the spread of virus so we can all get back to work and school. Keeping our people fed and housed in the meantime is our focus.

No one quashed the virus in the spring dumbass. They predicted 3.2 million deaths in my country and that never happened thank God.

Kick your ass back to Canada. Inflict yourself on your own citizens. Dumbass.

No they didn't, you stupid cow. They predicted 3.2 million deaths if you did absolutely nothing, and with 360,000 dead on only 21 million cases, you're right on track to meet those numbers, by the time you achieve "herd immunity", since vaccinations are completely stalled because Dumb Ass Trump didn't give the states any money to buy syringes or to hire staff to set up vaccination clinics.

The CDC predicted 60,000 deaths if you did everything "perfectly" and nothing went wrong. You did nothing right. Not testing, not PPE, and not lockdowns. The CDC said 100,000 and at the top end, 120,000 deaths if things went badly.

In addition to the 360,000 people who have died, there are currently 8 million more who are sick. At the current rate of 2.8% of positive cases dying, that's another 233,710 deaths, just on the people who are sick today, and at the rate of 200,000 new cases a day, you could soon be seeing 5,000 deaths a day within weeks.

You keep talking about these massive numbers of deaths, numbers unlike any other first world nation, as if they were nothing. As if the thousands of people are lining up in food lines were no big deal. None of this is happening in Canada, or Europe, or Australia/Asia. This isn't even happening in Africa, for heaven's sake.

Only in America. And you want to re-elect the guy who was in charge of this clusterfuck?


Trump spent all of the money getting the vaccine made, and nothing on it's distribution or getting it into arms.

Documented cases. My entire family had it but I am the only one in the database as I was the only one tested. Medical experts agree.

Trump didn't do a great job here in terms of communication but did everything else very well. Even Corpse Biden thanked him for operation warp speed.

Please stop bashing our country.

She has a reason to bash. Deaths per million in Canada is 420. It's 1087 in the U.S., roughly 2½ times worse.

COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

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If you believe the numbers, which I don't. I already stated that number of cases is severely understated and number of deaths is overstated (that is just my guess) since hospitals get more money if the death is COVID. I had COVID back in March as did my wife and kids. I was the only one tested. So I am officially infected and recovered. My wife and kids are not in the database but they too were infected and recovered. In fact my wife doesn't have her full sense of smell and taste back yet.

We are also a much more unhealthy country than Canada. As a result many are more susceptible to COVID-19 effects. We are the fattest modern country in fact. I am sure Canada is close but they are not as fat. And they have fewer people as well.

ShortBus, I said nothing about "cases." Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you??

She did. To me all you leftists are the same.

No one but you is responsible for your shortcomings, ShortBus. Time for you to man up and own your mistakes.

Since when are we discussing me? I have many shortcomings. LOL. Just ask my wife.

 

[WTF19]

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?

america isnt a democracy you stupid fuck,,,

What a moron. Hey dumb shit I know you want Trump declared as President for Life but you don't have to make it so obvious your hatred of our democratic institutions.

like the insane asylums that you all belong in.

 

[Faun]

Usually vaccines take years. But you knew that and decided to troll anyway. Do you deny that Biden thanked him for what he did with warp speed? Thanked the same DJT you vilify?

Pulling you up short on your bullshit and lies is hardly "trolling", but as usual, you accuse others of doing the very thing that you're doing.

Biden was being polite, and making an effort to be a decent human being. Something Republicans seem to have little to no understanding of at all. Stating incompetent and failed actions of Trump on the pandemic is not "vilifying" the President. His own words and actions, and the results of his behaviours are what vilify the President.

Do you think that spending his weekends golfing and raging tweeting while 2000 American families are added to the lists of the grieving every single day, is a good public relations move?

C'mon, there can't be 2000 new deaths every day here. Trump said he has it under control.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Usually vaccines take years. But you knew that and decided to troll anyway. Do you deny that Biden thanked him for what he did with warp speed? Thanked the same DJT you vilify?

Pulling you up short on your bullshit and lies is hardly "trolling", but as usual, you accuse others of doing the very thing that you're doing.

Biden was being polite, and making an effort to be a decent human being. Something Republicans seem to have little to no understanding of at all. Stating incompetent and failed actions of Trump on the pandemic is not "vilifying" the President. His own words and actions, and the results of his behaviours are what vilify the President.

Do you think that spending his weekends golfing and raging tweeting while 2000 American families are added to the lists of the grieving every single day, is a good public relations move?

Coming, there can't be 2000 new deaths every day here. Trump said he has it under control.

It is under control. I have saved 27 lives to date per the American Red Cross. What have you done?

 

[WTF19]

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?

america isnt a democracy you stupid fuck,,,

What a moron. Hey dumb shit I know you want Trump declared as President for Life but you don't have to make it so obvious your hatred of our democratic institutions.

proving youre a stupid fuck isnt helping,,,

I never said anything about trump,,

We know what you meant Dumb fuck. Instead of being a pussy admit what I said is true? Don't run away.

the jokes on you dumbass,, I dont like trump and didnt vote for him,,,

but I will defend our republic from stupid mother fuckers like you that dont know what we are,,,

LOL.. a dumb fuck who calls himself "progressive hunter" expects us to believe his dumb ass post that he doesn't support Trump. LOL Trump is on tape attempting a coup and you support it. When you look in the mirror, you will see the stupid mother fucker.

LOL.. a dumb fuck who calls himself xiden expects us to believe his dumb ass that he doesn't support china. LOL xiden is on video attempting a coup and you support it. When you look in the mirror, you will see the stupid mother fucker.

 

[WTF19]

Usually vaccines take years. But you knew that and decided to troll anyway. Do you deny that Biden thanked him for what he did with warp speed? Thanked the same DJT you vilify?

Pulling you up short on your bullshit and lies is hardly "trolling", but as usual, you accuse others of doing the very thing that you're doing.

Biden was being polite, and making an effort to be a decent human being. Something Republicans seem to have little to no understanding of at all. Stating incompetent and failed actions of Trump on the pandemic is not "vilifying" the President. His own words and actions, and the results of his behaviours are what vilify the President.

Do you think that spending his weekends golfing and raging tweeting while 2000 American families are added to the lists of the grieving every single day, is a good public relations move?

C'mon, there can't be 2000 new deaths every day here. Trump said he has it under control.

you must mean the xiden pandemic that the asswipe demonRATs paid for.. the millions that your idol, barrag o, donated. how soon retards forget

 

[bodecea]

and at the end, he tells him it is confidential information. the secret service will now pay the rhino a visit.


Report: White House Planning to Refer Brad Raffensperger to Secret Service for Investigation Under the Espionage Act. Report: White House Planning to Refer Brad Raffensperger to Secret Service for Investigation Under the Espionage Act

That ought to get real interesting. What classified info was revealed?

And what was trump doing talking classified info on a regular phone line?

 

[progressive hunter]