Washington Post audio of Trump berating and threatening Georgia Secretary of State for not "finding" votes to change election result. Sedition?

[Arresmillao]

The latter is concerned about the legality of the tape being released, while the former is concerned about only 5 minutes of the tape being released and context.

As I posted, Georgia wiretapping law only requires one party permission. As Trump made the phone call TO Georgia, that state would have jurisdiction over which laws applied.

The language of Georgia's wiretapping law explains that it is a one-party consent law when it comes to recording other people's audio conversations.

Georgia's Video Recording Laws - ChancoSchiffer Law, LLC

fuck trump and all his crazy lawsuits, just another one for the trash can, such a sore loser...

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The loser is Biden which will become clear after Jan. 6 but before Jan. 16, 2021.

better get ready for yet another big disappointment, are you not tired of losing?

 

[beautress]

WaPap trying to strut its stuff on its TDS victims, but only the shills are still subscribers.

Why would a Deplorable Loon like yourself pay for quality journalism like the WaPo, when you can get spittoon bucket dwellers like Jones, Beck, Hannity, Kirk and Owens for free? Y'know, people who just make shit up on the fly. Much easier to digest, and much easier to help ferment your hatred of normality.

I prefer Dan Bongino. He was Secret Agent on presidential rolls. He knows who's naughty and who's nice.

 

[OldLady]

you can't pardon anybody BEFORE a charge has been brought. Pardons are specific that way.

Yes he can and no they're not. You should read this. It's amazing but true.

WASHINGTON — Speculation that President Donald Trump might issue pardons before he leaves office for members of his family or other supporters raises a question about whether pardons can be issued pre-emptively — that is, before someone is charged with a crime.

And the answer is undoubtedly yes.

Could Trump pardon family members if they haven't been charged with crimes?

The Supreme Court ruled on the issue of pre-emptive pardons as far back as 1866.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Camp]

Just heard some of the tape. Not too sure if what Trump said is enough to get him in trouble legally (although the part about getting 11,870 votes - one more than Biden - is certainly dodgy),

This is just like Weinstein telling young actresses to have sex with him, or they'll never work in hollywood again.

Except sex is legal, while changing election results isn't.

Worse than Trump shooting someone on 5th Ave.

 

[Pogo]

you can't pardon anybody BEFORE a charge has been brought. Pardons are specific that way.

Yes he can and no they're not. You should read this. It's amazing but true.

WASHINGTON — Speculation that President Donald Trump might issue pardons before he leaves office for members of his family or other supporters raises a question about whether pardons can be issued pre-emptively — that is, before someone is charged with a crime.

And the answer is undoubtedly yes.

Could Trump pardon family members if they haven't been charged with crimes?

The Supreme Court ruled on the issue of pre-emptive pardons as far back as 1866.

www.nbcnews.com

Your link doesn't add up to that. It says:

>> The authority is granted by the Constitution, which says a president “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States.” So the pardon applies to things already done that are potential federal crimes; in other words, a pardon cannot apply to future conduct, only to past actions. <<​

I know that contradicts what came before it but there it is. And it couldn't work that way anyway, since that would allow a POTUS to pre-pardon himself for, say, murder, and then proceed to shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue.

 

[my2¢]

It can't be too comfortable to tell the President that he's full of shit:

Or that he and Brian Kemp are stealing Trump blind. He's busy stealing votes from Trump while
Trump is asking him to find some.

Raffensperger and Kemp are two rino republicans who sunk millions into Dominion vote stealing machines
for the entire state who should actually be in jail for election fraud, of which there is much in Georgia.

It's a hoot that all you folks crying over the past two months over election irregularities can't present anything but innuendo and then when it hits you in your face you're in denial. Tell us, in all the manual recounts of paper ballots conducted where did they come up with a descrepancy caused by those Dominion voting machines?

 

[Pogo]

Attempting to pressure a subordinate to "find some votes" is at best an abuse of power. Hardly insignificant.

The Secretary of State isn't a subordinate to the President since he isn't in the Administration branch of the Federal Government. Trump has no authority over him.

Asking someone isn't a crime, especially when NO blackmail or money or physical threat leverage was used against him.

Trump is the head of the republican party, and the Sec of State is a subordinate member of the republican party.

That is like Barron Trump saying he isn't a government employee so Donald has no authority over him.

There are multiple authority systems at work.

Actually Ronna Romney McDaniel is head of the RNC. The Sec of State works for the state of Georgia, not the POTUS. So yes, Rump in fact has no authority over him.

 

[Pogo]

Beautiful. Isn't it a crime in GA to record a phone call without the other party's consent?

NOPE

The language of Georgia's wiretapping law explains that it is a one-party consent law when it comes to recording other people's audio conversations.

Georgia's Video Recording Laws - ChancoSchiffer Law, LLC

Whether or not it was recorded with only 1 person's knowledge doesn't really matter. Why? Both are public officials, and conversations between public officials (if they don't contain classified information) are supposed to be part of the public record. Too bad Trump is too stupid to understand that. Part of being president means that every word you say, and every conversation that you have with other politicians can, and usually is, part of the public record.

Some of you people who think that the recording of Trump telling GA politicians to try to find some votes for him were illegal might wanna go back and study civics again.

Except when James O'Keefe records what public employees say in a Senator's office.

Right.

You mean the one where he got BUSTED for B&E posing as a telephone repairman in Mary Landrieu's office?

What, do you have "NEWLY DISCOVERED PHOTOS'" again?

 

[Dr Grump]

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call (nbcnews.com)

Full tape, no pay wall.



Some of ya'll need to listen to the whole thing with some discernment. Yes, he did say those words and many more besides but full context is everything.

Thanks for that. You are right, there is context there. However, all of Trump's 'evidence' is nothing but his feelings. Again and again, the lady from Georgia is asking him to send through the information they have, and at one stage he said that 'it is unnecessary'. Really? We should just believe him.

One of his things is that people from out of state voted. And when it is explained to him that some of those people moved out of Georgia and then moved back again - over a period of years - he gets condescending, like 'as if people do that'. Well, yeah, Donald, people move back and forth all the time.

However the biggest lack of evidence for mine, is not just with Georgia, but all the other states (funnily only the battleground ones he lost), he talks of thousands of people turning up to vote but being told they can't because they have voted already. Apparently those people are really pissed off. Only problem is, I haven't seen one person interviewed who said that has happened to them, let alone the 20,000 that Donald said.

Also, he said 4,000 dead people voted. Georgia found two. I could go on.

Trump is nuts.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Doc7505]

I didn't even know that recording what the public has a right to know about could possibly be a crime.

And what was your reaction to being "educated"

Yes, because Washington is packed with corrupt politicians who don't want the public to know the truth.

Which makes your previous ignorance all the more amazing.

Give you a free ride....

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call (nbcnews.com)

Full tape, no pay wall.



Some of ya'll need to listen to the whole thing with some discernment. Yes, he did say those words and many more besides but full context is everything.

Thanks for that. You are right, there is context there. However, all of Trump's 'evidence' is nothing but his feelings. Again and again, the lady from Georgia is asking him to send through the information they have, and at one stage he said that 'it is unnecessary'. Really? We should just believe him.

One of his things is that people from out of state voted. And when it is explained to him that some of those people moved out of Georgia and then moved back again - over a period of years - he gets condescending, like 'as if people do that'. Well, yeah, Donald, people move back and forth all the time.

However the biggest lack of evidence for mine, is not just with Georgia, but all the other states (funnily only the battleground ones he lost), he talks of thousands of people turning up to vote but being told they can't because they have voted already. Apparently those people are really pissed off. Only problem is, I haven't seen one person interviewed who said that has happened to them, let alone the 20,000 that Donald said.

Also, he said 4,000 dead people voted. Georgia found two. I could go on.

Trump is nuts.

And yet you skipped the parts that they all agreed there were large discrepancies in the vote counts that totaled more than the number needed to win and they weren't doing all they could or should do to ensure the integrity of their system or results. Trump did say a few times that he just wanted to know the truth and was asking them to investigate it and they did say they would look into it.

Trump did not threaten anyone to make them give him the needed votes.....like the media has spun it

 

[Dr Grump]

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call (nbcnews.com)

Full tape, no pay wall.



Some of ya'll need to listen to the whole thing with some discernment. Yes, he did say those words and many more besides but full context is everything.

Thanks for that. You are right, there is context there. However, all of Trump's 'evidence' is nothing but his feelings. Again and again, the lady from Georgia is asking him to send through the information they have, and at one stage he said that 'it is unnecessary'. Really? We should just believe him.

One of his things is that people from out of state voted. And when it is explained to him that some of those people moved out of Georgia and then moved back again - over a period of years - he gets condescending, like 'as if people do that'. Well, yeah, Donald, people move back and forth all the time.

However the biggest lack of evidence for mine, is not just with Georgia, but all the other states (funnily only the battleground ones he lost), he talks of thousands of people turning up to vote but being told they can't because they have voted already. Apparently those people are really pissed off. Only problem is, I haven't seen one person interviewed who said that has happened to them, let alone the 20,000 that Donald said.

Also, he said 4,000 dead people voted. Georgia found two. I could go on.

Trump is nuts.

And yet you skipped the parts that they all agreed there were large discrepancies in the vote counts that totaled more than the number needed to win and they weren't doing all they could or should do to ensure the integrity of their system or results. Trump did say a few times that he just wanted to know the truth and was asking them to investigate it and they did say they would look into it.

Trump did not threaten anyone to make them give him the needed votes.....like the media has spun it

Can you point out - like give the time stamp - where they agreed there were discrepancies.

They said several times that his information was wrong. He might have said he wanted the truth, but he was also TELLING (not ASKING) the folks in Georgia that they were wrong and he won the state...period.

 

[surada]

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call (nbcnews.com)

Full tape, no pay wall.



Some of ya'll need to listen to the whole thing with some discernment. Yes, he did say those words and many more besides but full context is everything.

Thanks for that. You are right, there is context there. However, all of Trump's 'evidence' is nothing but his feelings. Again and again, the lady from Georgia is asking him to send through the information they have, and at one stage he said that 'it is unnecessary'. Really? We should just believe him.

One of his things is that people from out of state voted. And when it is explained to him that some of those people moved out of Georgia and then moved back again - over a period of years - he gets condescending, like 'as if people do that'. Well, yeah, Donald, people move back and forth all the time.

However the biggest lack of evidence for mine, is not just with Georgia, but all the other states (funnily only the battleground ones he lost), he talks of thousands of people turning up to vote but being told they can't because they have voted already. Apparently those people are really pissed off. Only problem is, I haven't seen one person interviewed who said that has happened to them, let alone the 20,000 that Donald said.

Also, he said 4,000 dead people voted. Georgia found two. I could go on.

Trump is nuts.

He's definitely nuts and abusive. That phone call should be broadcast in a continuous loop in Times Square.

 

[surada]

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call (nbcnews.com)

Full tape, no pay wall.



Some of ya'll need to listen to the whole thing with some discernment. Yes, he did say those words and many more besides but full context is everything.

Thanks for that. You are right, there is context there. However, all of Trump's 'evidence' is nothing but his feelings. Again and again, the lady from Georgia is asking him to send through the information they have, and at one stage he said that 'it is unnecessary'. Really? We should just believe him.

One of his things is that people from out of state voted. And when it is explained to him that some of those people moved out of Georgia and then moved back again - over a period of years - he gets condescending, like 'as if people do that'. Well, yeah, Donald, people move back and forth all the time.

However the biggest lack of evidence for mine, is not just with Georgia, but all the other states (funnily only the battleground ones he lost), he talks of thousands of people turning up to vote but being told they can't because they have voted already. Apparently those people are really pissed off. Only problem is, I haven't seen one person interviewed who said that has happened to them, let alone the 20,000 that Donald said.

Also, he said 4,000 dead people voted. Georgia found two. I could go on.

Trump is nuts.

And yet you skipped the parts that they all agreed there were large discrepancies in the vote counts that totaled more than the number needed to win and they weren't doing all they could or should do to ensure the integrity of their system or results. Trump did say a few times that he just wanted to know the truth and was asking them to investigate it and they did say they would look into it.

Trump did not threaten anyone to make them give him the needed votes.....like the media has spun it

Listen to the whole phone call.. Trump is lying, badgering and abusive.

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call

"There's no way I lost Georgia," Trump said. "There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[basquebromance]

 

[surada]

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

Trump is talking about sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for
attempting to overthrow the newly elected governement of the United States of America.

sounds just like your Russian Collusion bullshit

Trump's phone call to the Ga Sec of State should be played continuously at Trump's presidential library.

Its abusive and horrifying and should NEVER be forgotten.

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call

"There's no way I lost Georgia," Trump said. "There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call (nbcnews.com)

Full tape, no pay wall.



Some of ya'll need to listen to the whole thing with some discernment. Yes, he did say those words and many more besides but full context is everything.

Thanks for that. You are right, there is context there. However, all of Trump's 'evidence' is nothing but his feelings. Again and again, the lady from Georgia is asking him to send through the information they have, and at one stage he said that 'it is unnecessary'. Really? We should just believe him.

One of his things is that people from out of state voted. And when it is explained to him that some of those people moved out of Georgia and then moved back again - over a period of years - he gets condescending, like 'as if people do that'. Well, yeah, Donald, people move back and forth all the time.

However the biggest lack of evidence for mine, is not just with Georgia, but all the other states (funnily only the battleground ones he lost), he talks of thousands of people turning up to vote but being told they can't because they have voted already. Apparently those people are really pissed off. Only problem is, I haven't seen one person interviewed who said that has happened to them, let alone the 20,000 that Donald said.

Also, he said 4,000 dead people voted. Georgia found two. I could go on.

Trump is nuts.

And yet you skipped the parts that they all agreed there were large discrepancies in the vote counts that totaled more than the number needed to win and they weren't doing all they could or should do to ensure the integrity of their system or results. Trump did say a few times that he just wanted to know the truth and was asking them to investigate it and they did say they would look into it.

Trump did not threaten anyone to make them give him the needed votes.....like the media has spun it

Can you point out - like give the time stamp - where they agreed there were discrepancies.

They said several times that his information was wrong. He might have said he wanted the truth, but he was also TELLING (not ASKING) the folks in Georgia that they were wrong and he won the state...period.

Trying to be funny? Or do you have a better tape with time stamps, that can be paused or searched thru?? I'd venture a guess somewhere between 1/2 & 3/4 of the way thru, maybe? But I'm not going to listen thru the whole tape again just to prove your bias

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call (nbcnews.com)

Full tape, no pay wall.



Some of ya'll need to listen to the whole thing with some discernment. Yes, he did say those words and many more besides but full context is everything.

Thanks for that. You are right, there is context there. However, all of Trump's 'evidence' is nothing but his feelings. Again and again, the lady from Georgia is asking him to send through the information they have, and at one stage he said that 'it is unnecessary'. Really? We should just believe him.

One of his things is that people from out of state voted. And when it is explained to him that some of those people moved out of Georgia and then moved back again - over a period of years - he gets condescending, like 'as if people do that'. Well, yeah, Donald, people move back and forth all the time.

However the biggest lack of evidence for mine, is not just with Georgia, but all the other states (funnily only the battleground ones he lost), he talks of thousands of people turning up to vote but being told they can't because they have voted already. Apparently those people are really pissed off. Only problem is, I haven't seen one person interviewed who said that has happened to them, let alone the 20,000 that Donald said.

Also, he said 4,000 dead people voted. Georgia found two. I could go on.

Trump is nuts.

And yet you skipped the parts that they all agreed there were large discrepancies in the vote counts that totaled more than the number needed to win and they weren't doing all they could or should do to ensure the integrity of their system or results. Trump did say a few times that he just wanted to know the truth and was asking them to investigate it and they did say they would look into it.

Trump did not threaten anyone to make them give him the needed votes.....like the media has spun it

Listen to the whole phone call.. Trump is lying, badgering and abusive.

Trump begs Georgia secretary of state to overturn election results in remarkable hourlong phone call

"There's no way I lost Georgia," Trump said. "There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes."

www.nbcnews.com

Yeah, I did cause I posted it already

 

[L.K.Eder]

you can't pardon anybody BEFORE a charge has been brought. Pardons are specific that way.

Yes he can and no they're not. You should read this. It's amazing but true.

WASHINGTON — Speculation that President Donald Trump might issue pardons before he leaves office for members of his family or other supporters raises a question about whether pardons can be issued pre-emptively — that is, before someone is charged with a crime.

And the answer is undoubtedly yes.

Could Trump pardon family members if they haven't been charged with crimes?

The Supreme Court ruled on the issue of pre-emptive pardons as far back as 1866.

www.nbcnews.com

Your link doesn't add up to that. It says:

>> The authority is granted by the Constitution, which says a president “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States.” So the pardon applies to things already done that are potential federal crimes; in other words, a pardon cannot apply to future conduct, only to past actions. <<​

I know that contradicts what came before it but there it is. And it couldn't work that way anyway, since that would allow a POTUS to pre-pardon himself for, say, murder, and then proceed to shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue.

you said a presidential pardon could not be issued "before a charge has been brought".

as i understand, ford did exactly that with nixon, issuing a blanket pardon for all possible misconduct during his time in office.

Ford granted "a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974.