Zone1 Was the President Eisenhower "Military Industrial Complex" speech the best speech ever?

[pknopp]

well, that may be why he warned us about the MIC.

Warning us about himself.........hmmm.

even if it was the MIC it would still be on him...the first combat soldier died under Kennedy

Yes, Johnson gets the bulk of the blame but it's hardly all on him. Sadly, war, it's what we do.

I'll never understand it.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Warning us about himself.........hmmm.

not if you were paying attention

Yes, Johnson gets the bulk of the blame but it's hardly all on him.

his involvement was the immense escalation of combat troops Kennedy already had there and Nixon/Ford stopped the war, one must tip toe around those issues/facts to assign blame elsewhere.

Sadly, war, it's what we do.

I'll never understand it.

If you see the MIC and the military as separate entities the picture then comes into focus.

 

[pknopp]

not if you were paying attention

his involvement was the immense escalation of combat troops Kennedy already had there and Nixon/Ford stopped the war, one must tip toe around those issues/facts to assign blame elsewhere.

If you see the MIC and the military as separate entities the picture then comes into focus.

we are simply a horrible, violent country.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

we are simply a horrible, violent country.

not the world view of America prior to the 60"s

 

[PeterPilot]

DennisPTate

Biden was an imposter and traitor to the US in his service to the Zionists, and he claimed to have been a Zionist in a short video clip of an interview years ago.

Trump is a draft dodger and traitor to the US in his service to the Israelis. Israel is not an ally of the US as you have been conditioned to believe, Israel is an enemy of the US and the details of Article III Section 3 of the US Constitution become relevant. Virtually all the US federal government, especially Trump and his cabinet, give aid and comfort to the enemy Israel.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Wasn't he already retired when he made that speech? It would have been impressive if he had made it while running for his first term.

FDR, JFK, Reagan, and several others did better. Whether one agrees with any of them or not is a different topic. Washington and Lincoln made great speeches.

As for Vietnam, Johnson's policies were the right thing to do. He sacrificed his career in escalating the war, and he knew it at the time. It finished off the VC as a viable force in the South, then cost him re-election.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

DennisPTate

Biden was an imposter and traitor to the US in his service to the Zionists, and he claimed to have been a Zionist in a short video clip of an interview years ago.

Trump is a draft dodger and traitor to the US in his service to the Israelis. Israel is not an ally of the US as you have been conditioned to believe, Israel is an enemy of the US and the details of Article III Section 3 of the US Constitution become relevant. Virtually all the US federal government, especially Trump and his cabinet, give aid and comfort to the enemy Israel.

Rubbish.

 

[Lockback]

I've said for years it's the most important political speech of the last century going away.
Eisenhower, despite having a terrible, dry, boring delivery, wrote a speech that echoes down through the decades like a liberty bell, ringing truth. He warned us about a permanent military industry, he warned us about universities, he warned us about government funding, he warned us about the intelligence community ... it's all in there. Everything he said has come true.
Eisenhower is probably my favorite President other than George Washington. He led the Allied forces in WWII to victory and then became a 2-term president who was almost the perfect man for the times.
He made mistakes, of course, particularly in foreign policy. But by the standards of the times, he was an absolute giant, a gentle but firm man, greatly respected and admired and someone we need to remember.

 

[Lockback]

Wasn't he already retired when he made that speech? It would have been impressive if he had made it while running for his first term.

He delivered the speech a couple of days before JFK was sworn in. It was Ike's farewell speech.

FDR, JFK, Reagan, and several others did better. Whether one agrees with any of them or not is a different topic. Washington and Lincoln made great speeches.

They definitely delivered a speech better. But along with FDR's uplifting messages and Reagan's "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" speech, Ike's farewell speech ranks way, way up there. Not a great delivery but the message is spot on.

As for Vietnam, Johnson's policies were the right thing to do. He sacrificed his career in escalating the war, and he knew it at the time. It finished off the VC as a viable force in the South, then cost him re-election.

Johnson could not have been more wrong.
He accomplished nothing other than more American deaths for no reason.

 

[DennisPTate]

I've said for years it's the most important political speech of the last century going away.
Eisenhower, despite having a terrible, dry, boring delivery, wrote a speech that echoes down through the decades like a liberty bell, ringing truth. He warned us about a permanent military industry, he warned us about universities, he warned us about government funding, he warned us about the intelligence community ... it's all in there. Everything he said has come true.
Eisenhower is probably my favorite President other than George Washington. He led the Allied forces in WWII to victory and then became a 2-term president who was almost the perfect man for the times.
He made mistakes, of course, particularly in foreign policy. But by the standards of the times, he was an absolute giant, a gentle but firm man, greatly respected and admired and someone we need to remember.

That is exactly what I also think of President Eisenhower and his warning to all of us. President Eisenhower knew about astonishing research that was being conducted that the CIA and NSA would NOT disclose to many other Presidents. They knew that Eisenhower would make an ethical decision with the astonishing information that he knew all about.

I suspect that some aspects of "Operation Paperclip" caused Eisenhower to be worried for the future for Americans. Operation Paperclip did definitely cause USA military technology to surge beyond what we can easily imagine, but the potential cost is pretty obvious.

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The operation, characterized by the recruitment of German specialists and their families, relocated more than 1500 experts to the US. It has been valued at US$10 billion in patents and industrial processes. Recruits included such notable figures as Wernher von Braun, a leading rocket-technology scientist. Those recruited were instrumental in the development of the US space program and military technology during the Cold War. Despite its contributions to American scientific advances, Operation Paperclip has been controversial because of the Nazi affiliations of many recruits, and the ethics of assimilating individuals associated with war crimes into American society.

The operation was not solely focused on rocketry; efforts were directed toward synthetic fuels, medicine, and other fields of research. Notable advances in aeronautics fostered rocket and space-flight technologies pivotal in the Space Race. The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and the success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.

Operation Paperclip was part of a broader strategy by the US to harness German scientific talent in the face of emerging Cold War tensions, and ensuring this expertise did not fall into the hands of the Soviet Union or other nations. The operation's legacy has remained controversial in subsequent decades.

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lockback]

That is exactly what I also think of President Eisenhower and his warning to all of us. President Eisenhower knew about astonishing research that was being conducted that the CIA and NSA would NOT disclose to many other Presidents. They knew that Eisenhower would make an ethical decision with the astonishing information that he knew all about.

I suspect that some aspects of "Operation Paperclip" caused Eisenhower to be worried for the future for Americans. Operation Paperclip definitely caused USA military technology to surge beyond what we can easily imagine, but the potential cost is pretty obvious.

Operation Paperclip was a good example of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons ... or something. We didn't want those scientists falling into Soviet hands but they certain led us down a path where certain morals and truths were put up on a shelf ...
It's nice to see a fellow Ike fan. So underrated. I'm old enough to remember him very slightly as President.

 

[DennisPTate]

Operation Paperclip was a good example of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons ... or something. We didn't want those scientists falling into Soviet hands but they certain led us down a path where certain morals and truths were put up on a shelf ...
It's nice to see a fellow Ike fan. So underrated. I'm old enough to remember him very slightly as President.

Thank you Lockback. I personally have listened to interviews with author John De Souza, who is a twenty five year veteran of the FBI. Many of the John De Souza cases became the first season of "The X -Files."

Everything that John De Souza reports fits well with the warning from President Eisenhower as well as the implications of "Operation Paperclip."

I totally do agree with the conclusion by John De Souza that we are dealing with "Extra-Dimensionals" as opposed to "Extra-Terrestrials." I cannot rule out there being some exceptions to that general rule, but that certainly seems to be the general rule for some aspects of the paranormal and UFO phenomena.



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It is in these final moments that we can still, with open minds and clear hearts, decipher that which has been intentionally hidden from humanity for so long—the truth of Extra-Dimensionality. That comprehension will, in turn, illuminate every hidden truth of our material existence. Then, we will find that for the first time, we will finally have the key to understanding everything.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Johnson could not have been more wrong.

Yes, I know the right wing herd has to snivel about all Democrats no matter what. The fact is his policies destroyed the VC as a power in the South in 3 years. Nixon continued the aggressive policies and the South was a much safer place until the Watergate Babies abandoned the country to the filthy communists in 1975. As for 'American deaths', the US was losing almost as many people to drunk drivers every year than was lost in the entire 16 years or so in Viet Nam, so that is a red herring. Don't believe the nonsense propaganda peddled by Howard Zinn and the other Reds. The Republicans aren't much better in their lying and spin.

 

[DennisPTate]

Yes, I know the right wing herd has to snivel about all Democrats no matter what. The fact is his policies destroyed the VC as a power in the South in 3 years. Nixon continued the aggressive policies and the South was a much safer place until the Watergate Babies abandoned the country to the filthy communists in 1975. As for 'American deaths', the US was losing almost as many people to drunk drivers every year than was lost in the entire 16 years or so in Viet Nam, so that is a red herring. Don't believe the nonsense propaganda peddled by Howard Zinn and the other Reds. The Republicans aren't much better in their lying and spin.

Thank you for explaining this positive aspect to what was accomplished by President Lyndon Johnston as well as by the deaths of USA soldiers in Viet Nam. It is nice and rather encouraging to see that whole situation looked at from this much more positive angle. What you assert sure does seem like an important of the big picture to from what I heard and read over the years.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Thank you for explaining this positive aspect to what was accomplished by President Lyndon Johnston as well as by the deaths of USA soldiers in Viet Nam. It is nice and rather encouraging to see that whole situation looked at from this much more positive angle. What you assert sure does seem like an important of the big picture to from what I heard and read over the years.

There is a lot more to the success, but I don't feel like writing a book here. people have been fed so much bullshit about Viet Nam due to the constant left wing propaganda and spoiled whining from middle class dope culture burb brats it's embarrassing. Two other facts is how the American support of the ASEAN treaties helped avoid WW III twice, in 1960 and 1969, when Red China and the Soviet Union nearly went to war over their border disputes. they would have had to abandon the VN war and most of SE Asian threats to fight each other.

 

[DennisPTate]

There is a lot more to the success, but I don't feel like writing a book here. people have been fed so much bullshit about Viet Nam due to the constant left wing propaganda and spoiled whining from middle class dope culture burb brats it's embarrassing. Two other facts is how the American support of the ASEAN treaties helped avoid WW III twice, in 1960 and 1969, when Red China and the Soviet Union nearly went to war over their border disputes. they would have had to abandon the VN war and most of SE Asian threats to fight each other.

Wow!

That is very interesting indeed!

This does help to make sense out of the logic behind such questionable decisions such as the background to "Operation Paperclip."

It does seem as if the Black Ops investments made by the USA have caused the USA Military Industrial Complex to surge in effectiveness far beyond China, Russia and pretty much anybody else who wants to build up something similar.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Wow!

That is very interesting indeed!

This does help to make sense out of the logic behind such questionable decisions such as the background to "Operation Paperclip."

It does seem as if the Black Ops investments made by the USA have caused the USA Military Industrial Complex to surge in effectiveness far beyond China, Russia and pretty much anybody else who wants to build up something similar.

We would have had to pick a side there. We really couldn't afford to let either of them win, much less start throwing nukes around. Much better to have these proxy wars than head on conflicts. Proxy wars save a lot more lives than the alternatives.

 

[DennisPTate]

We would have had to pick a side there. We really couldn't afford to let either of them win, much less start throwing nukes around. Much better to have these proxy wars than head on conflicts. Proxy wars save a lot more lives than the alternatives.

Even the "Trump Tariffs" seem to be an alternative to missiles. It seems like these Trump Tariffs have totally shifted the political atmosphere up here in Canada. The results that President Trump's Tariffs are getting in Mexico and in South America look promising as well. I am hopeful that the Trump Tariffs will set in motion a massive shift even in China because the addiction that the China Communist Party officials have to USA Dollars, could help to break the FAlun Gong, the Chinese Muslims and the Christians of China out from under a truly horrible and predatory governmental system.