Was the nuclear family a bad idea?

[Crepitus]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

You know what's a bad idea? Telling other people how they should run their lives

 

[Crepitus]

Paton had one wife .
Washington had one wife.
Teddy Roosevelt had one wife.

Genghis Kahn had hundreds.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

With polygamy there is a higher prevalence of mental health issues.... depression... anxiety... hostility... and lower self-esteem among women in polygamous marriages compared to those in monogamous relationships.... look up first wife syndrome... it does not work which is why most societies have gotten rid of it....

In biblical times, women didn't live long enough to be depressed. Multiple wives were necessary to care for multiple children.

 

[Thinker101]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

WTF, no link and doesn't come close to political.

 

[Winston]

In biblical times, women didn't live long enough to be depressed. Multiple wives were necessary to care for multiple children.

Deuteronomy 17:17​

And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.

Genesis 2:24​

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Hebrews 13:4​

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

Leviticus 18:18​

And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive.

Proverbs 19:14​

House and wealth are inherited from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the Lord.

Hebrews 13:4-7​

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” So we can confidently say, “The Lord is my helper; I will not fear; what can man do to me?” Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith.

 

[Rambunctious]

In biblical times, women didn't live long enough to be depressed. Multiple wives were necessary to care for multiple children.

 

[yidnar]

Genghis Kahn had hundreds.

just pointing out that having many wives doesn't make a man more masculine than someone with one wife ..

 

[22lcidw]

You see polygamy as the alternative to the Nuclear Family (hereafter NF). I disagree. The opposite of the NF is the Feminist Movement, which promotes a Superior Female ideology under which women become not equal but more powerful and important than the men around them. That idea, which has had growing support in much of western society since the 1960s, has caused serious dangerous nation, our culture and our society.

They do not see that they are funding their own demise. The great advances they have seen, and the result is perma anger.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Child care in those days was spotty.

 

[initforme]

1 child is enough. And waiting until one is financially secure before marriage is the sign of high intelligence.

 

[whitehall]

Polygamy was a norm in ancient times, and still is today in some parts of the world.

Abolishing polygamy and requiring that men limit themselves to one woman wasn't about "creating offspring", since it's a less-efficient method of doing it, and also prevents men with "better genes" from siring more offspring with multiple women.

It was created because it was viewed as offering better welfare to women and children, and was more egalitarian, since it prevented more "powerful" men from taking all of the women for themselves.


The species can continue at a much faster rate if the man is allowed to impregnate multiple women.

Society has determined that a family of women headed by one man is not a stable environment. It's demeaning for women and dangerous for kids.

 

[Winston]

1 child is enough. And waiting until one is financially secure before marriage is the sign of high intelligence.

One child is child abuse. It really is. I can understand if there is no choice, medical issues. But other than that, denying a child a sibling is absolute child abuse. I have six, and they are thick as thieves. Their closeness is my proudest accomplishment. Dad called them my army, and that they are.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Genghis Kahn had hundreds.

Not voluntarily.

 

[initforme]

One child is child abuse. It really is. I can understand if there is no choice, medical issues. But other than that, denying a child a sibling is absolute child abuse. I have six, and they are thick as thieves. Their closeness is my proudest accomplishment. Dad called them my army, and that they are.

Well then its s great thing many ate going with zero. I applaud that.

 

[Crepitus]

just pointing out that having many wives doesn't make a man more masculine than someone with one wife ..

Nor does the reverse.

 

[Crepitus]

Not voluntarily.

Oh, you were there?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Oh, you were there?

I can read history. That’s what the ******* books are for retard.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

That's my point. The nuclear family is, technically, more feminine, since it requires the man to sacrifice pursuing multiple women in order to preserve the welfare of the woman and the children.

I think then that it may have been my point that wasn't clear, I was referring to which gender was most/more likely to choose polygamy as opposed to which lifestyle was preferrable...my apologies.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

That's my point. The nuclear family is, technically, more feminine, since it requires the man to sacrifice pursuing multiple women in order to preserve the welfare of the woman and the children.

It’s actually more masculine to work to support your wife and your children. Impregnating a woman and running away from the responsibility is what pussies do. You have to raise the kids to be a man. Running off to have more with another woman you aren’t there to support is the most ***** ass move you could make. You aren’t a man leaving a trail of fatherless kids and single moms. You’re a piece of self centered shit.

 

[Leo123]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

Rome had the nuclear family and monogamous marriage. Marriages bolstered economic and political bonds.