Was the nuclear family a bad idea?

[Missouri_Mike]

Rome had the nuclear family and monogamous marriage. Marriages bolstered economic and political bonds.

A thread resurrected.

How many wives did God give to Adam?

 

[Leo123]

A thread resurrected.

How many wives did God give to Adam?

Dunno

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Dunno

One, and he couldn’t even keep that one away from the tree.

 

[Soupnazi630]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

Polygamy was widely practiced but to call it the norm is not accurate. Even in the biblical old testament it is clear that most people had a nuclear family. The polygamists were the exception.

Practicing polygamy is expensive difficult and stressful. Sure some people here and there have made it work but overall it is not succesful. Essentially you take all of the pressure stress and expense of a standard two person relationship and multiply those problems many times over. While on the other hand the good parts of a two person relationship do not increase.

This is why polygamy when it happened was restricted to wealthy people who could afford to pay for it.

The nuclear family was not " invented " no one came up with the idea based on benefits for someone. It merely formed sort of naturally without conscious guidance because it worked well for the most part.

if people want to practice polygamy they should be free to do so. But it should not be encouraged as a great alternative, It should actually be discouraged as an idea which seems attractive at first blush but generally does not produce good results

 

[Zincwarrior]

One, and he couldn’t even keep that one away from the tree.

You forgot about Lilith.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You're going to better need to substantiate why the nuclear family is viewed as enabling capitalism.

I'll assume it has something to do with inheritance being passed down from parents to children, but I'm honestly unsure.

And, regardless, if a parent or parents are incompetent, abusive, or unable to provide for their offspring, then two parents merely residing in the same residence is going to do little to change that.

It has a little to do with inheiritance but that is only a minor issue

Communists believe in social repruductive theory.

Like all idiotic ideas in marxism this one is based on pure fantasy. The notion is that people have kids and familes as a direct result of the economic conditions they live in. There fore everyone alive today is having kids in a way which is designed to replace them in the capitalist work force.

Also familes by definition create a form of heirarchy. all forms of heirarchy which must be abolished.

Accordiing to marxists if you wish to destroy capitalism and THEY DO WISH THAT, then you have to ban and abolish the nucelar family. You cannot be allowed to have kids to feed them into the bourgoise labor system. They belive that all people should live in a commune with no gender or sex differences ( heirarcgy ). all kids mmust be taken from their moms immmediately and raised by the collective so no one will know who their biological parents or children are.

This will eliminate one form of heirarchy and stop the ongoing replacement of workers in the capitalist system.

leading intelletuals within the growing communist movement preach this shit such as Sophie Lewis.

Abolish the Family

What if we could do better than the family?We need to talk about the family. For those who are lucky, families can be filled with love and care, but for many they are sites of pain: from abandonment and neglect, to abuse and violence. Nobody is more likely to harm you than your family.Even in...

www.versobooks.com

Or M.E. Obrien

Family Abolition - Pluto Press

A revolutionary rebuttal of the family under capitalism

www.plutobooks.com

Even Frederick Engles discussed it in the communist manifesto.

They do not just want to ban commodities or money or caitalism they want total and universal enslavement of all humans to include how you reproduce.

Its no coincidence that every socialist / communist nation is a slave state. They are folliwng the script as designed

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Polygamy benefited the women and their children. In a time when women had significantly shorter lifespans polygamy avoided the problem of motherless children.

 

[Hafar1014]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

Polygamy creates a culture of violent males as we saw with the Mormons lost boys and homicidal fanatics of Islam. The problem is powerful males take all the women leaving many males who will never have a family.

Social psychology isnt youre strong point. Even wolves know better

 

[Soupnazi630]

Polygamy benefited the women and their children. In a time when women had significantly shorter lifespans polygamy avoided the problem of motherless children.

It only avoided that problem in a very limited number of cases where a few people practiced polygamy. Motherless children still were still abundant

 

[Zincwarrior]

Not a fan of nuclear. I prefer fusion.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It only avoided that problem in a very limited number of cases where a few people practiced polygamy. Motherless children still were still abundant

The further back you go in history the more widespread the practice of polygamy. In biblical times, it was quite common.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The further back you go in history the more widespread the practice of polygamy. In biblical times, it was quite common.

It happened but it was the exception not the norm.

The norm was still a nuclear family. Once again polygamy is not something more can afford

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It happened but it was the exception not the norm.

The norm was still a nuclear family. Once again polygamy is not something more can afford

Stop imposing modern standards on an archaic practice. As everyone lived in the same house and slept in the same room, there was little extra expense. The more women, the bigger the garden.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Stop imposing modern standards on an archaic practice. As everyone lived in the same house and slept in the same room, there was little extra expense. The more women, the bigger the garden.

There was massive extra expense. More shoes, more clothes, more food, more kids.

And no polygamists did not all sleep in the same room. Only the wealthy practiced it and would typically have seperate rooms for different wives. Gardens were typically decorative and used by the wealthy again while their subjects had to spoend every waking hour struggling just to eat and stay alive. Multiple wives offers nothing but expense when that is your life

It is not a modern standard it is a universal standard which remains the same throughout time.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There was massive extra expense. More shoes, more clothes, more food, more kids.

And no polygamists did not all sleep in the same room. Only the wealthy practiced it and would typically have seperate rooms for different wives. Gardens were typically decorative and used by the wealthy again while their subjects had to spoend every waking hour struggling just to eat and stay alive. Multiple wives offers nothing but expense when that is your life

It is not a modern standard it is a universal standard which remains the same throughout time.

 

[Hector12]

Polygamy was always the exception. Monogamy was the rule.

 

[d0gbreath]

Read up on Socrates' ideal society, where everyone did whatever. Where you impregnated women to the best of your ability, and raised some children that probably weren't your own.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Read up on Socrates' ideal society, where everyone did whatever. Where you impregnated women to the best of your ability, and raised some children that probably weren't your own.

Why read up on it

Your description is enough to judge it as absolute idiotic stupidity

Even smart guys can be dumb as a paper bag full of hammers.

 

[d0gbreath]

Why read up on it

Your description is enough to judge it as absolute idiotic stupidity

Even smart guys can be dumb as a paper bag full of hammers.

Back when I read it, I thought that this sounds more like the Hells Angles MC, than what I'm used to. I doubt that the bikers would even consider going to that extreme.