Was the 2020 Election Stolen?

[Doug1943]

And the Jan 6th'rs were a small segment. Out of 120,000 people there, 1000 were arrested and they claim they are going to arrest another 1000, which makes 118,000 mostly peaceful protesters, or, 98% were mostly peaceful protesters. And the DOJ is disregarding insurrections by the left and only going after those on the right.

Protesters arrested after storming Interior Department

Environmentalist protesters attempting to occupy the Department of the Interior were arrested after storming the building.

news.yahoo.com

If you are talking about politicians themselves spreading the big lie then look at this:

The DOJ (or local/state prosecutors) are not ignoring ALL the leftist rioters from the summer riots. Some have been jailed. The question is, if our side had engaged in such widespread riots, torching businesses, burning down courthouses, setting police cars on fire ... would the numbers arrested have been the same?

I doubt it extremely, but ... it's hard to prove.

We know the precise number of J6ers arrested, and what each of them has been charged with, and their sentences (after they are sentenced) .. but the summer rioters did their thing in dozens of cities across the country. It would be very useful if someone tallied up all the prosecutions of the Leftwing rioters. Anyone have a link to something like that?

Speaking of Leftwing rioters, here's an excellent site: AntifaWatch

 

[candycorn]

I'll bet not a single Lefty read the article.

For Righties, we have to focus on 2024. Every legal thing the Left did, we should do as well.

We won't get the corporate hundreds of millions of dollars, but we can make up for that with fanatical devotion and activism.

A large proportion of Americans don't vote, and that includes people who would vote for us if they did vote.

Example: there is a significant number of young people who are 'red-pilled', who hate Political Correctness. But ... many of them don't vote. They're not even registered.

You can read articles that explore why this is so -- one reason is that it's a big hassle to register (as opposed to voting, once you've registered).

If you're a committed patriot, the sort of person who hangs out at this website, this is hard to understand. How can someone who hates the Left, who sees what it's doing ... not go out and register to vote? But it's a reality.

Now ... there are some things we can do to encourage these young people to register, right from the discomfort of our own homes, online. It would take a few minutes a week ... as much, or as little, as you feel like putting in. There are some places these young people hang out, and we can reach them there.

If we had a few dozen patriots putting in even a half hour a week, in a systematic and co ordinated way ... we might be able to get several thousand of these young people registered.

If you want to know how, PM me.

2020 wasn't a one-off.

You guys have one exactly one popular vote since 1988.

Your values are no longer American values. What are your values? All hate, all the time.

 

[candycorn]

Fake numbers

306>232....

Math isn't your strong suit Blart.

Time to make your rounds on the east side of the parking lot.

 

[candycorn]

If you really believe that, you're functionally insane?

Where does the blob live?
Where does President Biden live?

scoreboard.

 

[candycorn]

Here's an idea. Go fuck yourself. We're done with 2020. Trump lost. It's over.

 

[Care4all]

I've been agnostic on this issue, leaning towards 'No' -- based on various things. I believe what happened was that a certain class of people who normally vote Republican -- suburban 'soccer moms' and the like -- decided to take a chance on what appeared to be a rather conservative Democrat for President, but then voted Republican down-ticket.

Yes, that is very likely! It actually makes sense, because there was huge marketing push by the Never Trumpers with the Lincoln Project and their ads. Many, many Republicans were tired of the never ending, unpresidential drama, that Trump brought....but still wanted Republicans to win the down ballot races.

They didn't necessarily vote for Biden, though some did cuz they couldn't take the chance on Trump winning, but they voted republican otherwise.

As example, in Georgia, Kemp got way more votes than Trump did. Examples of this exists in all swing states.

Also, all those statistics of the past, were thrown out the window because this was the first election where due to covid, millions of Americans were not working, or clearly were not too busy or constrained from voting, with absentee ballot voting made available to them.....

This would throw all normal statistics of the past, off.

Also, due to covid, the democrats didn't have rallies, where other previous elections they did....how can rally size or enthusiasm really be compared?

In addition, in 2016 there was a big, multi million Green Party vote and Independent vote.... Most of those millions of voters, went to Biden, what were left, stayed independent in their vote....Trump didn't gain those voters, the Democratic candidate did.

And mainly, and most importantly, the analyzers seem to have missed...though I haven't finished the long analysis article yet....

Y'all underestimate how much democrats and never Trumpers truly despise Trump....!

It could have been Mr.Magoo running on the democratic ticket, and Trump still would have lost....

Democrats for the most part, voted AGAINST Trump...some were Biden enthusiasts, but most just knew, no matter what it took, Trump had to be told, YOU'RE FIRED... for the sake of saving our democracy... and they believed this! I believed it as well!

There were not more voters casting ballots, than registered voters on file....there were less.....

there also were not more absentee voter ballots counted, than registered voters who officially requested individually, an absentee ballot to be mailed to them in swing states, except maybe Nevada?

edit

One last thing, Trump won the rural white man's vote in places like PA etc, but looking closely by precinct, Trump won by fewer votes than in 2016 in those strong red areas. Biden picked up, a few more votes from men, near everywhere rural that was red in 2016. This added up, in the end

 

[Winco]

I know where the people you support stand on it because everything is racist.

So nothing factual, just you telling me what MY feelings are.

You know how weak that is, very weak ya Coward.
You are the easiest poster to dominate.
Go Away Troll.

Do you work tomorrow, I mean at a REAL Job?

 

[Winco]

Okay, I had a look at that. It says "'7,004,034 active voters in georgia as of december 2021' " Please summarize its significance.
The article quoted in the OP says:

"In 2020, the Census Bureau found 5 million fewer voters than the number of ballots counted. This is the largest gap recorded since these post-election surveys began in 1964. These 5 million excess ballots account for most of Biden’s national popular vote lead. To cite one state-level example, the Census Bureau found 4.8 million voters in Georgia, but Georgia reported 5 million counted ballots.

Georgia made more competitive by 1 million new voters since ’16 election

A record 7.6 million voters are registered in Georgia ahead of the Nov. 3 election, nearly 1 million more than in the last presidential election four years ago. Almost all of the new voters are under 35 years old.

www.ajc.com

One million new voters since 2016. A younger, more racially diverse electorate. Rapid changes in Georgia’s voting population.

There are now a record 7.6 million registered voters in Georgia, according to voter registration rolls obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution from the secretary of state’s office after the Oct. 5 registration deadline.

What is below is incorrect.
There were NOT more votes than voters in 2020. GEEZ.

the Census Bureau found 4.8 million voters in Georgia, but Georgia reported 5 million counted ballots.

 

[Lastamender]

So nothing factual, just you telling me what MY feelings are.

You know how weak that is, very weak ya Coward.
You are the easiest poster to dominate.
Go Away Troll.

Do you work tomorrow, I mean at a REAL Job?

Can you read? I said your feelings do not matter. I am retired.

Do you think those domination fantasies are normal? Wait, for your party, they sure are.

 

[Winco]

Can you read? I said your feelings do not matter. I am retired.

Do you think those domination fantasies are normal? Wait, for your party, they sure are.

I'm neither a (D) nor a (R).
Or any of those other fake party names.

So, have a great time making 200-300 posts on Monday.
Tuesday looks to be even more "Explosive'

 

[candycorn]

I'm neither a (D) nor a (R).
Or any of those other fake party names.

So, have a great time making 200-300 posts on Monday.
Tuesday looks to be even more "Explosive'

nice

 

[Lastamender]

 

[leftwinger]

I'm neither a (D) nor a (R).
Or any of those other fake party names.

So, have a great time making 200-300 posts on Monday.
Tuesday looks to be even more "Explosive'

Maybe not? Maybe all a hoax? Or a warning. Dont go after Hunter & the fool for millions taken as bribes. Or billions?

Insider says that “a source with knowledge of the investigation” told them on Saturday night “there is one more witness.” The indictment is apparently not a certainty until this witness testifies.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Lets see

Maybe because some states were close and they needed all the mail in votes to be counted?

And all of the mail-ins from the states that were close voted for the guy who campaigned from his basement. The odds of that are staggering.

 

[candycorn]

They why do you live in Florida?

 

[Doug1943]

Yes, that is very likely! It actually makes sense, because there was huge marketing push by the Never Trumpers with the Lincoln Project and their ads. Many, many Republicans were tired of the never ending, unpresidential drama, that Trump brought....but still wanted Republicans to win the down ballot races.

They didn't necessarily vote for Biden, though some did cuz they couldn't take the chance on Trump winning, but they voted republican otherwise.

As example, in Georgia, Kemp got way more votes than Trump did. Examples of this exists in all swing states.

Also, all those statistics of the past, were thrown out the window because this was the first election where due to covid, millions of Americans were not working, or clearly were not too busy or constrained from voting, with absentee ballot voting made available to them.....

This would throw all normal statistics of the past, off.

Also, due to covid, the democrats didn't have rallies, where other previous elections they did....how can rally size or enthusiasm really be compared?

In addition, in 2016 there was a big, multi million Green Party vote and Independent vote.... Most of those millions of voters, went to Biden, what were left, stayed independent in their vote....Trump didn't gain those voters, the Democratic candidate did.

And mainly, and most importantly, the analyzers seem to have missed...though I haven't finished the long analysis article yet....

Y'all underestimate how much democrats and never Trumpers truly despise Trump....!

It could have been Mr.Magoo running on the democratic ticket, and Trump still would have lost....

Democrats for the most part, voted AGAINST Trump...some were Biden enthusiasts, but most just knew, no matter what it took, Trump had to be told, YOU'RE FIRED... for the sake of saving our democracy... and they believed this! I believed it as well!

There were not more voters casting ballots, than registered voters on file....there were less.....

there also were not more absentee voter ballots counted, than registered voters who officially requested individually, an absentee ballot to be mailed to them in swing states, except maybe Nevada?

edit

One last thing, Trump won the rural white man's vote in places like PA etc, but looking closely by precinct, Trump won by fewer votes than in 2016 in those strong red areas. Biden picked up, a few more votes from men, near everywhere rural that was red in 2016. This added up, in the end

Yes, you're probably right. That's more or less what I concluded. But even if you're not, Republicans have to move on and get working on the next election. What we should also do is concentrate on making sure the ballot is fair, so that there won't be any argument about who won next time.

Hopefully, Covid will be past and we can have in-person voting as the norm, with the traditional exceptions, and paper ballots. Liberals who want to undercut the 'it was stolen' narrative will support this.

 

[Doug1943]

Here's an idea. Go fuck yourself. We're done with 2020. Trump lost. It's over.

Whoa! My friends, love is better than anger.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I've been agnostic on this issue, leaning towards 'No' -- based on various things. I believe what happened was that a certain class of people who normally vote Republican -- suburban 'soccer moms' and the like -- decided to take a chance on what appeared to be a rather conservative Democrat for President, but then voted Republican down-ticket. A comprehensive 'Plot' would have delivered the Democrats a resounding victory in House and Senate and state Legislatures.

Cheating. Maybe. And it's possible that this is what gave the Democrats their victory. Not a comprehensive plot, but un coordinated cheating in the key states, just enough to let the Democrats win.

However, regardless, the job of patriots now is to make sure the next election is honest.

Leftists think there is absolutely no case for the 'stolen election' story. Here's the best case I've found so far. I know Leftists won't read this, but patriots should.

[ Biden’s Inexplicable Victory - Chronicles ]

Yes, but every election is "stolen" by the Reps and Dems.

Proportional Representation would be an "un-stolen" election.

 

[Doug1943]

Yes, but every election is "stolen" by the Reps and Dems.

Proportional Representation would be an "un-stolen" election.

It would be wonderful to have an electoral system that did not force us to vote for the lesser of two evils, or risk splitting the vote.

The problem with pure Proporation Representation is that you can end up with legislatures split between 3 or 4 or more parties, leading either to unstable government, or to unprincipled coalitions -- Italy and Israel should serve as warnings here.

An alternative to pure PR would be two-round voting, eliminating all but the highest two vote getters, who go forward to the second round. Then people who wanted to vote for the Socialist Workers Party or the Libertarians or the Greens or the Constitution Party would be able to register their vote, and if they didn't make it to number 1 or 2, then they could choose the lesser evil. France does this for her Presidential elections.

Another idea is the ranked choice transferable vote, which I believe they have in Australia. Put a '1' by the person you really want. Then a '2' by your second choice. If the person you voted for with a '1' doesn't win, your vote is transferred to your second choice.

However, you should know that, apparently, no form of voting yet conceived is proof against certain paradoxes. Look at Arrow's Theorem: [ Arrow's impossibility theorem - Wikipedia ]

 

[frigidweirdo]

It would be wonderful to have an electoral system that did not force us to vote for the lesser of two evils, or risk splitting the vote.

The problem with pure Proporation Representation is that you can end up with legislatures split between 3 or 4 or more parties, leading either to unstable government, or to unprincipled coalitions -- Italy and Israel should serve as warnings here.

An alternative to pure PR would be two-round voting, eliminating all but the highest two vote getters, who go forward to the second round. Then people who wanted to vote for the Socialist Workers Party or the Libertarians or the Greens or the Constitution Party would be able to register their vote, and if they didn't make it to number 1 or 2, then they could choose the lesser evil. France does this for her Presidential elections.

Another idea is the ranked choice transferable vote, which I believe they have in Australia. Put a '1' by the person you really want. Then a '2' by your second choice. If the person you voted for with a '1' doesn't win, your vote is transferred to your second choice.

However, you should know that, apparently, no form of voting yet conceived is proof against certain paradoxes. Look at Arrow's Theorem: [ Arrow's impossibility theorem - Wikipedia ]

It's not a problem. It forces consensus. The US already needs consensus, however it'd just make the consensus more logical.
Two round of voting doesn't really improve things, because big money would still win.