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[PoliticalChic]

Support for democratic socialism does not mean support for Stalin or Pol Pot. If you do not understand that you are beyond the range of rational discussion.

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

You support an ideology that only advances on the blood and corpses of those who oppose it.

No wonder it hates religion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Support for democratic socialism does not mean support for Stalin or Pol Pot. If you do not understand that you are beyond the range of rational discussion.

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

You support an ideology that only advances on the blood and corpses of those who oppose it.

No wonder it hates religion.

 

[Hector12]

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

You support an ideology that only advances on the blood and corpses of those who oppose it.

No wonder it hates religion.

When did I ever say that I was a Trotskyist? I never did. Back in the day I agreed with Michael Harrington.

The first socialist book I read that I liked was Christianity and the Social Crisis, by Walter Rauschenbusch. Rauschenbusch was a Christian Socialist.

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Karl Marx mentioned Christian Socialism in The Communist Manifesto in order to condemn it:

"As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism."

"Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

PoliticalChic, you are disappointing me. Initially I thought you had the intelligence to make distinctions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

When did I ever say that I was a Trotskyist? I never did. Back in the day I agreed with Michael Harrington.

The first socialist book I read that I liked was Christianity and the Social Crisis, by Walter Rauschenbusch. Rauschenbusch was a Christian Socialist.

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Karl Marx mentioned Christian Socialism in The Communist Manifesto in order to condemn it:

"As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism."

"Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

PoliticalChic, you are disappointing me. Initially I thought you had the intelligence to make distinctions.

"When did I ever say that I was a Trotskyist? I never did. Back in the day I agreed with Michael Harrington."


Nay, nay......you either believe in life or in death.
You made your choice for death.....kill the opposition.




Dennis Prager put it this way:
Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.


You should take notes on the following:

1. Michael Harrington, founder of the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA., knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line. The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.”

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2. "#WeNeedBernie

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has announced that he is officially running as a candidate for President in 2016 to further a desperately needed political revolution in the USA.

Senator Sanders is a lifelong champion of the public programs and democratic rights that empower working class people. His candidacy could help expand both the progressive movement and the democratic socialist voice within that movement." http://www.dsausa.org/weneedbernie



3. Creation of the Progressive Caucus is credited to Bernie Sanders. The groups in the radical network include a) the Congressional Progressive Caucus, b) the Congressional Black Caucus, c) the Populist Caucus, and the d) Progressive Democrats of America.

a. Allied with the above is ACORN, SEIU, and the Institute for Policy Studies

b. And, indirectly, the Center for American Progress and the Apollo Alliance.



In short, you can run, but you can't hide.

 

[Hector12]

"When did I ever say that I was a Trotskyist? I never did. Back in the day I agreed with Michael Harrington."


Nay, nay......you either believe in life or in death.
You made your choice for death.....kill the opposition.

Michael Harrington and Walter Rauschenbusch never advocated killing anyone

 

[PoliticalChic]

When did I ever say that I was a Trotskyist? I never did. Back in the day I agreed with Michael Harrington.

The first socialist book I read that I liked was Christianity and the Social Crisis, by Walter Rauschenbusch. Rauschenbusch was a Christian Socialist.

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Karl Marx mentioned Christian Socialism in The Communist Manifesto in order to condemn it:

"As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism."

"Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

PoliticalChic, you are disappointing me. Initially I thought you had the intelligence to make distinctions.

"Karl Marx mentioned Christian Socialism in The Communist Manifesto in order to condemn it:"


You really need a better education.

The Left, Communists, Nazis, Democrats, follow what Karl Marx preached.


More that interesting is that Marx worshipped the Devil.



Marx wrote poetry, and in one, "The Fiddler," we find


"Why do I fiddle? Or the wild waves roar?

That they might pound the rocky shore,

That eye be blinded, that bosom swell,

That Soul's cry carry down to Hell."



"Fiddler, with scorn you rend your heart.

A radiant God lent you your art,

To dazzle with waves of melody,

To soar to the star-dance in the sky."



"How so! I plunge, plunge without fail

My blood-black sabre into your soul.

That art God neither wants nor wists,

It leaps to the brain from Hell's black mists.



"Till heart's bewitched, till senses reel:

With Satan I have struck my deal.

He chalks the signs, beats time for me,

I play the death march fast and free.

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There is no way to separate communism, socialism, Progressivism, the Democrat Party, and, therefore, no way to ignore their ties to Satan.

It is of interest that the godfather, maybe even the god, of the above, Karl Marx, had a fascination with Satan. Clearly, Marx believed in the existence of Satan.


Which party did you say you support?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Michael Harrington and Walter Rauschenbusch never advocated killing anyone

Reality is defined by actions, not words.

All socialism, communism, Maoism, ect are based on no private property, and that means taking it....by force: murder.


Open your eyes.
"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left

 

[Hector12]

Dennis Prager put it this way:
Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

Who is Dennis Prager that I should agree with everything he says. I do my own thinking. I think Karl Marx had two valid insights, and that he was mistaken about everything else. I do not agree with Vladimir Lenin about anything. I think the Russian Revolution was a tragically wrong move for the Left.

 

[Hector12]

You really need a better education.

The Left, Communists, Nazis, Democrats, follow what Karl Marx preached.

You need a better education, one that includes the writing of Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler.

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Now I began to learn again, and now for the first time I came to the understanding of the contents and the meaning of the life-works of the Jew Karl Marx. Only now his 'Capital' became really comprehensible to me..."

- Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter VII, "Beginning of my Political Activity"

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Mein Kampf is full of Hitler's condemnations of Karl Marx and Marxism. Read it for yourself.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who is Dennis Prager that I should agree with everything he says. I do my own thinking. I think Karl Marx had two valid insights, and that he was mistaken about everything else. I do not agree with Vladimir Lenin about anything. I think the Russian Revolution was a tragically wrong move for the Left.

God, you know nothing.

No wonder you picked socialism.

You don't do your own thinking.....you don't do thinking at all.


Get a darn education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

You need a better education, one that includes the writing of Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler.

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Now I began to learn again, and now for the first time I came to the understanding of the contents and the meaning of the life-works of the Jew Karl Marx. Only now his 'Capital' became really comprehensible to me..."

- Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter VII, "Beginning of my Political Activity"

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Mein Kampf is full of Hitler's condemnations of Karl Marx and Marxism. Read it for yourself.

. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first." George Watson.

Historian George Watson,

A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." November 27, 1925.(Article provided in the film)

7. Shortly thereafter the Nazis found it more useful to stress differences, and the earlier campaign posters showing similarities disappeared, posters with both the hammer and sickle and the swastika. (18:30)

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.

The film goes on to show a series of Nazi and Russian propaganda posters....except for the language, almost identical.





The Left-leaning Economist says the following:

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." Telling the Soviet story

 

[Hector12]

There were obvious similarities between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin. They were both governed by totalitarian dictatorships. That in no way discredits Walter Rauschenbusch, Michael Harrington, or Bernie Sanders.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There were obvious similarities between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin. They were both governed by totalitarian dictatorships. That in no way discredits Walter Rauschenbusch, Michael Harrington, or Bernie Sanders.

That's not what I said: I said anyone who supports socialism, communism, Maoism, etc. has not care abouit how many million of innocenet human being are sacreficed for the ideology.
That you.....out of, it seems, ignorance.



FDR hated successful business men, and by extension, capitalislm.
He yearned to be like the sharks, Hitler and Stalin, with no Constitutin to stop him.

He not only hired Stalin's spies,but promoted them when they were exposed.

Here's how they operated:
Harry Dexter White had been a Soviet "asset" since the early 1930s, providing information to Whittaker Chambers, a courier for the communist underground. By 1941 White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury.


The spies that FDR put in place continued to move Democrats in the Communist Direction. This, from a newspaper at the time:

"Mr. Truman said that the nationalists should have surrendered because they didn't have a chance to win...the opinion of American ambassador Leighton Stuart was that the failure of American aid to come at the opportune moment was the real cause of the weakness of nationalists and the disintegration of their armies....many military commanders went over to the enemy because they saw the United States withdrawing moral support from Chiang Kai-shek.
Mr. Truman boldly defends what Treasury did. He doesn't mention Harry Dexter White, mentioned in congressional hearings as a communist spy, sat at Treasury with full power to say when the money promised Chiang Kai-shek would be forwarded or withheld."
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By stopping funds to the Nationalists, Stalin's spies helped Mao win China.


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Estimates for the number of deaths attributed to Mao Zedong's policies in China vary widely, ranging from 10 to 45 million. These deaths are attributed to a combination of factors, including the Great Leap Forward famine, political persecution, and the Cultural Revolution.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Great Leap Forward:
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  This campaign, aimed at rapid industrialization and collectivization of agriculture, resulted in devastating famine and widespread food shortages, leading to an estimated 15 to 45 million deaths between 1958 and 1962.
  
  
• Political Persecution:
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  Mao's policies, particularly during the Cultural Revolution, led to widespread persecution of intellectuals, government officials, and anyone deemed a political enemy. This resulted in numerous executions, imprisonments, and forced labor, contributing to the overall death toll.
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    This tumultuous period, launched in 1966, saw widespread violence and disruption, with estimates of deaths during this period ranging from 500,000 to 2,000,000.

 

[Hector12]

That's not what I said: I said anyone who supports socialism, communism, Maoism, etc. has not care abouit how many million of innocenet human being are sacreficed for the ideology.
That you.....out of, it seems, ignorance.



FDR hated successful business men, and by extension, capitalislm.
He yearned to be like the sharks, Hitler and Stalin, with no Constitutin to stop him.

Communism did not evolve from democratic socialism. It either was imposed by Soviet or Communist Chinese armies, or it resulted from popular uprises against right wing autocracies. In his memoirs Eisenhower admitted that each of his advisors claimed that as many as 80&% of the Vietnamese, north and south, supported Ho Chi Minh.

Franklin Roosevelt was born into a family that had been rich for generations. He had no reason to hate businessmen. He did view them with aristocratic disdain. He was reelected three times because life for most Americans began to improve soon after he was inaugurated in 1933. Because he was so popular he had no reason to desire dictatorial power.

 

[Hector12]

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

I have read Mein Kampf, an anthology of Hitler's speeches, and an anthology of transcripts of what Hitler said in private. He never mentioned reading anything by Karl Marx. He frequently condemned Marx and Marxism.

In Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter IV, "Munich," Hitler wrote:

"If one wanted land and soil in Europe, then by and large this could only have been done at Russia's expense...

"For such a policy, however, there was only one single ally in Europe: England..
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We must never forget that the regents of present-day Russia are common bloodstained criminals; that here is the scum of humanity, which, favored by conditions in a tragic hour, overran a great State, butchered and rooted out millions of its leading intellect with savage bloodthirstiness, and for nearly ten years has exercised the most frightful regime of tyranny of all time.

- Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, volume II, Chapter XIV, "Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy"

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism did not evolve from democratic socialism. It either was imposed by Soviet or Communist Chinese armies, or it resulted from popular uprises against right wing autocracies. In his memoirs Eisenhower admitted that each of his advisors claimed that as many as 80&% of the Vietnamese, north and south, supported Ho Chi Minh.

Franklin Roosevelt was born into a family that had been rich for generations. He had no reason to hate businessmen. He did view them with aristocratic disdain. He was reelected three times because life for most Americans began to improve soon after he was inaugurated in 1933. Because he was so popular he had no reason to desire dictatorial power.

Democratic socialism is communism is socialism.


Don't try to hide behind word-splitting.


You made your choice of ideologies ....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: out of ignorance.



"Franklin Roosevelt was born into a family that had been rich for generations. He had no reason to hate businessmen."
Don't ever doubt me: I am never wrong. I have a great deal more education than you have.
But he had no need to be "pushed to the Left."

1. FDR had an inveterate hatred of business, capitalism, and particularly of successful businessmen, something he strove to be and could not accomplish.
He saw in the dictators of the time exactly what he wanted to be, and all of them were Leftists: Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.

Must have been a tough decision for Roosevelt when two of 'em went to war with each other.



2. Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral animosity toward businessmen, entrepreneurs, successful capitalists. And he had a way with words, in describing them. "unscrupulous money changers..." the greed and shortsightedness of bankers and businessmen," "..rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence" "we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit." "there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing."

Wow! What the heck was that about? He was besmirching his fellow Americans, many of whom were responsible for the progress of society.

Based on the hagiography, one can't help but be surprised at how mediocre young Franklin was at just about everything. Prep school was Groton, college, Harvard....excelling at neither sports nor academics. "I can't understand this thing about Frank. He never amounted to much at school." "​

The stereotypical Democrats, once he had power he used it against his "betters."
FDR had a grudge to settle against successful capitalists.
He never forgot it:

Not the only rejection, but a significant one, was his attempt to join Porcellian, the oldest and most elite social club at Harvard. Theodore Roosevelt and other members of the Roosevelt family belonged to the club, but Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was president of the Harvard Crimson, never managed to be elected a member. At some time, in his late thirties, he told his relative Sheffield Cowles that this had been "the greatest disappointment in his life". Frances Richardson Keller, Fictions of U. S. History : A Theory & Four Illustrations, p. 116.

Porcellian members were future entrepreneurs, businessmen, bankers, and corporate lawyers.
And they had rejected Franklin Roosevelt.

His hatred of successful capitalists fit perfectly with his envy of Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.





I never post anything I can't prove.

 

[Hector12]

His hatred of successful capitalists fit perfectly with his envy of Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.

Quote Roosevelt expressing envy of Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler. Follow the quotes with the sources.

 

[Hector12]

Democratic socialism is communism...





I never post anything I can't prove.

Youi keep claiming that there is no difference between the democratic socialism of Bernie Sanders and the Communism of Stalin. That is preposterously false.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Quote Roosevelt expressing envy of Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler. Follow the quotes with the sources.

Please don't prove how ignorant you are.


FDR was fine with Hitler taking other countries. He never met a dictator he didn't like.

Munich Agreement, (September 30, 1938), settlement reached by Germany, Great Britain, France, and Italy that permitted German annexation of the Sudetenland in western Czechoslovakia. After his success in absorbing Austria into Germany proper in March 1938, Adolf Hitler looked covetously at Czechoslovakia, Munich Agreement | Definition, Summary, & Significance







At the Munich conference where Europe sold out Czechoslovakia, even though France had a treaty to go to war to preserve Czechoslovakia…..Chamberlain was about to appease Hitler….and FDR sent this message to Chamberlain:



MUNICH MESSAGE FROM U.S. BARED; Roosevelt Sent Encouraging 'Good Man' to Chamberlain Day Before Conference

Documents on US foreign relations in '38, pub by State Dept, include P Gilbert rept on Anschluss, noting strong Austrian support for move

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"Munich." The lesson of appeasement—that giving in to aggression just invites more aggression—has calcified into dogma. Neville Chamberlain's name has become code for a weak-kneed, caviling politician, just as Winston Churchill has become the beau ideal of indomitable leadership.

When Chamberlain first announced, after returning from signing his deal with Hitler at Munich in 1938, that "peace is at hand," FDR sent Chamberlain a telegram: "Good man," it said. "I am not a bit upset over the final result," FDR wrote the U.S. ambassador to Italy. When Hitler began to chew up the rest of Europe in 1939, FDR temporized and maneuvered to build political support for intervention among his decidedly isolationist countrymen. Indeed, the United States did not declare war on Germany until Germany declared war on the United States in December 1941, four days after Pearl Harbor." Presidents and the Mythology of Munich

 

[PoliticalChic]

Youi keep claiming that there is no difference between the democratic socialism of Bernie Sanders and the Communism of Stalin. That is preposterously false.

As the old joke goes, a man asks a young lady "would you sleep with me for $1,000" and she laughs and says "yes".
"would you sleep with me for $5?" She is incensed, and says "what do you think I am?????"
He say "we've already determined that....now we're just quibbling about price."


That's you. Every permutation of communism is the same.....some just don't tell you about murdering others until they're in power.



Your self-esteem requires you to admit the mistake you made out of ignorance, agree to never support any variation on the oppression spectrum......that includes voting Democrat.