Was stumped by a Creationist

[bripat9643]

So where are we besides bripat9643 incessant whiny cries of aliens and humans from apes? NASA claims to have found aliens due to advanced technology. That is a scientific non-sequitur if I ever heard one from these atheist scientists. What do we know about atheist scientists? They are usually WRONG. Today, these scientists can get away with anything since they removed their competition -- creation scientists -- from science. In 200,000+ years, there has been no evidence of aliens while there has been evidence of God throughout this thread.

But they'll keep trying (and failing, i.e. wasting tax payer dollars)
NASA has announced a new plan to find advanced alien civilizations—technosignatures

These robots could help NASA find alien life

Are the quotes from the Bible below facts?

The LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. Deuteronomy 2:33-34

So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og ... and we smote him until none was left to him remaining ... from threescore cities ... And we utterly destroyed them, ... utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. Deuteronomy 3:3-6

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2

And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them. Deuteronomy 7:16

Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:15

But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. Deuteronomy 20:16-17

So smote all the country ... he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3
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History, as recorded. The Bible is a non-fiction book.

ROFL! So this god of yours is a genocidal maniac who orders his Iron Age followers to slaughter entire nations of people, just because they happen to occupy some land he wants to give them? He orders them to slaughter every last man woman and child. You actually admit that?

Do you actually accept the fact that this god you worship is more evil than Hitler or Stalin?

Tell us, do you believe Noah built an ark and loaded two of every kind of animal into it? Do you believe it then rained so much that the water level of the earth rose higher than mount Everest?

GE 7:19-20 The flood covered the earth with water fifteen cubits (twenty plus feet) above the highest mountains.​

(Note: This would require steady, worldwide rainfall at the rate of about 6 inches per minute, 360 inches per hour, 8640 inches per day--for 40 days and nights--so as to cover the entire earth with an endless ocean 5 miles deep, thus burying 29,000 ft. Mt. Everest under 22 ft. of water. How did the author know the depth of the water? Did Noah take soundings? And where has all this water gone?)

It's documented in the Bible and one of the first questions new members have about God because of the abhorrent violence and genocide of nations.

Your god is the one committing genocide, and ordering his followers to commit it.

God isn't a murderer.

According to the Bible, he is.

He was doing what was necessary and had morally sufficient reasons for their destruction.

How was it "moral" or "necessary?" It appears you believe that whatever god does is moral, even if it would be grossly immoral if a human did the same thing. How does that logic work? How does the fact that God does it instantly make it moral?

What are the "sufficient reasons" for their destruction? None that I can see. Since god is all powerful, according to you, why couldn't he just create a new place for these people to live and then relocate them? Is genocide the only solution in God's toolbelt?

The Canaanite people and their culture were a brutal, aggressive people who engaged in bestiality, incest, and even child sacrifice. Deviant sexual acts were the norm. The Canaanites’ sin was so repellent that God said, “The land vomited out its inhabitants” Levitcus 18:25. He wasn't evil like Hitler and Stalin who were atheists.

Maybe so, but the Israelites were even more brutal and aggressive. Leviticus mentions bestiality, but he doesn't say anything about incest or child sacrifice. So the only real justification is bestiality, which is disgusting, but it's not a crime against people. Leviticus also goes into how God objects to various states of nakedness, so basically he's a big fat prude.

All in all, there is simply no rational justification for committing genocide in Leviticus. Can there ever be a rational justification for genocide?

And he was an even more angry God when he destroyed the world with the great flood.

Yeah, God was a bigger asshole than anyone ever imagined.

The water came from underneath the sea and we have mountain ranges that are under the ocean. The water also came from above as it rained 40 days and nights. How else does one explain Earth being covered with 3/4 water?

The Bible says it was covered 100% by water during the flood. Geophysicists believe that many planets are probably covered partially or completely by water. Several moons in our solar system are completely covered by water. Water is quite common in the universe.

We are the only planet like it in the universe.

Wrong.

The water was high, but not as high as Mt. Everest today. The mountain wasn't as high in the past so could have been covered completely with water. It became higher from the flood and earthquakes underneath the ocean.

ROFL! Now you're contradicting what's in the Bible. You're making stuff up from whole cloth. How would you know Mt Everest was shorter then? Does the Bible say that? No. The Bible doesn't even mention Mt Everest because those ignorant Israelites didn't even know it existed. The geological evidence certainly doesn't show that Everest was shorter 6000 years ago. Where are you getting this stuff?

God promised that he will not destroy the Earth again with a global flood.

So? How does that make him not an asshole? He only slaughtered the entire population of the Earth one time means he's really an OK guy?

We find that floods kill the most amount of people in terms of natural disasters. Furthermore, there is a flood story in practically every culture in the world. This is due to the global flood or Noah's Flood.

Wrong. Most civilizations are born on rivers. They tend to flood on occasion.

The next destruction of the world is prophecized and will be one of fire that will destroy the Earth. There won't be a dawn that day and it will be dark and a giant gamma ray explosion will set the world ablaze. If Sir Isaac Newton was right, then it will happen around 2060, but no one will know and be ready for that day. God said he will keep the beginning and end to himself. This also goes for the beginning and end of life. We will never really be able to define when and what that is. We have clinical death, but people have returned from that. It's the point of no return that we do not know.

now you're just babbling about stuff that isn't relevant to the discussion.

After reading and studying the Bible more, we find that there are people who are interested in the prophecies. There are many, from simple to complex, and so far all of them have come true, but how many people believe in a global flood. Unfortunately, there wasn't many people left to witness and document the story. We have the Biblical account and mythical tales from most every part of the world. People like Richard Dawkins and you think they know better and make mockery, but then they would be able to disprove Jesus' resurrection. If you could do that, then you would destroy Christianity. So far, Dawkins and his followers haven't been able to do that. The Catholics have the Shroud of Turin and I think that has been debunked.

I don't have to disprove the resurrection of Jesus anymore than I have to disprove a child's fable or the existence of big foot. Those who make extraordinary climes are required to support them. Skeptics aren't required to do anything.

ETA: We'll have the James Webb telescope online soon. I doubt they will find another planet like earth covered with so much water. Also, it's interesting that atheist Bill Nye discovered one of the evidence for the flood and the fool didn't even realize it. He documented it and I can post the youtube if you haven't seen it.

You doubt it? That's your proof? The fact is almost indisputable that it will find many planets covered with water.

Like I said atheist scientists, i.e. secular scientists, do not know this because they have systematically eliminated creation scientists from science. What's funny is these scientists try to contradict what the Bible and creation scientists are saying. The manned expedition to Mars is specifically to find aliens or evidence of past alien life. All of evolutionary thinking and history is to do the same in order to disprove what it says in the Bible or what creation scientists have said. Like what I said in this thread.

Creationism isn't science. It's abracadabra, hocus-pocus. The Bible is a compilation of myths. There is hardly a single fact in it.

 

[james bond]

How can I be lying when I am usually right?

You're not, though. You say laughably false things and you would fail a 7th grade science test. Everyone knows this....

Wrong as atheists are usually wrong. My kids and I can pass it because of reading the text and studying. It's a 7th grade secular science test. That does not mean that the science is correct. It's still theory. It's the best theory because creation science has been systematically eliminated from the public schools. Is it any wonder that creation people want to put creation science into public schools so the students have both theories. Some students and people such as I are not stupid. They know science is best theory at the time and can read any grade text book, study and regurgitate the answer. The key is to be able to understand more and more complex materials, be able to summarize it so one can think and be able figure things out. Obviously, you have failed in doing this saying that I am wrong. Your last sentence is wrong. Everyone does not know this and you are at the top of the list.

 

[james bond]

According to the Bible, he is.

In the OT, God kills multitudes of people, but he isn't a murderer because he had just cause. To kill with just cause does not mean murder. One can have just cause and kill someone to prevent death or grave bodily injury to oneself or another or in times of war. Most people know this, but apparently you don't haha.

Yeah, God was a bigger asshole than anyone ever imagined.

"Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. Make a roof for it and finish the ark to within 18 inches of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks. I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark - you and your sons and your wife and your sons' wives with you. You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them." Genesis 6:11-21

We still have acts of God and people die in them. Even good people die in them. God destroyed the world in a global flood because of the above.

Wrong. Most civilizations are born on rivers. They tend to flood on occasion.

Those are local floods. Their fictional stories are all based on a huge flood. More than a regional flood.

now you're just babbling about stuff that isn't relevant to the discussion.

I'm pointing out the world will be destroyed again with a gamma ray blast per prophecy. This time everyone will be gone for good. It's not going to be destroyed due to global warming.

The fact is almost indisputable that it will find many planets covered with water.

With all the advanced technology telescopes, they haven't found one so you are lying stating that it's a fact.

Creationism isn't science. It's abracadabra, hocus-pocus.

I've been stating creation theory and it better explains the facts such as no aliens, no life from non-life, the chicken before the egg, no apes and chimps who are bipedal, why the universe and everything in it is here and so on. You have not produced one piece of scientific evidence using the scientific method such as tailed monkeys to tailless ones or gorillas to chimps or chimps to gorillas or how NASA is going to find aliens. You haven't shown abiogenesis in a geyser such as Old Faithful. You can't even explain how the electromagnetic spectrum came to be. Nor how the Earth and Venus have magnetic fields while Mars does not have one.

 

[cnm]

In the OT, God kills multitudes of people, but he isn't a murderer because he had just cause.

007 would be screaming with laughter at that one.

 

[james bond]

In the OT, God kills multitudes of people, but he isn't a murderer because he had just cause.

007 would be screaming with laughter at that one.

Not really. He's got a licence to kill which absolves him of murder.

 

[Mousterian]

So 007 is God?

 

[bripat9643]

In the OT, God kills multitudes of people, but he isn't a murderer because he had just cause.

007 would be screaming with laughter at that one.

So am I.

 

[bripat9643]

In the OT, God kills multitudes of people, but he isn't a murderer because he had just cause.

007 would be screaming with laughter at that one.

Not really. He's got a licence to kill which absolves him of murder.

ROFL! In other words, God can get away with murder because he's says it's OK when he does it?

What would a court of law say about it? God would be convicted hands down, open and shut.

If you claim God can get away with murder, then you are making a mockery of the principles of morality. God gets away with anything because he writes the rules? If that's true, then the rules are meaningless. If God isn't subject to the rules, then how can you claim he's good and merciful? Based on what, these arbitrary rules that he created and that he exempts himself from? God is good because God says he's good?

You claim you're so smart, but you seem unable to use the rules of logic to make value judgements about God. Your brain stops working the minute you open your so-called "good book."

 

[bripat9643]

According to the Bible, he is.

In the OT, God kills multitudes of people, but he isn't a murderer because he had just cause. To kill with just cause does not mean murder. One can have just cause and kill someone to prevent death or grave bodily injury to oneself or another or in times of war. Most people know this, but apparently you don't haha.

He has just cause for killing innocent little children? Because a few people had sex with goats he has just cause to wipe out every last man, woman and child? Sorry, but no modern court of law or moral philosopher would agree with that assessment. By what principles of morality is his cause just?

Yeah, God was a bigger asshole than anyone ever imagined.

"Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. Make a roof for it and finish the ark to within 18 inches of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks. I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark - you and your sons and your wife and your sons' wives with you. You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them." Genesis 6:11-21

So God claims those people were corrupt? By what standard? His own arbitrary standard? Because a few people had sex with goats? God hasn't sold it. He simply assumes it, and you simply assume that God is justified without any evidence.

We still have acts of God and people die in them. Even good people die in them. God destroyed the world in a global flood because of the above.

So God is still a murdering asshole. You aren't making your case. God created Malaria, Ebola, Typhus, Syphilis, Dengue Fever and parasites too numerous to mention. Millions of people die from these diseases every year. Lot's of them are small children. God killed them. There's nothing just or moral about that.

Wrong. Most civilizations are born on rivers. They tend to flood on occasion.

Those are local floods. Their fictional stories are all based on a huge flood. More than a regional flood.

Their flood myths are just as bogus as the one in the Bible. They originate from 100 year or 1000 year floods that have occurred on the rivers than run through their civilizations. These events get retold and distorted and turned into myths.

The fact is almost indisputable that it will find many planets covered with water.

With all the advanced technology telescopes, they haven't found one so you are lying stating that it's a fact.

Those telescopes aren't sufficiently strong enough to detect water. The fact that scientists haven't been able to detect water yet only proves that they haven't been able to detect water yet. Man wasn't able to fly until the Wright brothers invented the airplane. Numerous "authorities" said flight was impossible before that happened.

Creationism isn't science. It's abracadabra, hocus-pocus.

I've been stating creation theory and it better explains the facts such as no aliens, no life from non-life, the chicken before the egg, no apes and chimps who are bipedal, why the universe and everything in it is here and so on. You have not produced one piece of scientific evidence using the scientific method such as tailed monkeys to tailless ones or gorillas to chimps or chimps to gorillas or how NASA is going to find aliens. You haven't shown abiogenesis in a geyser such as Old Faithful. You can't even explain how the electromagnetic spectrum came to be. Nor how the Earth and Venus have magnetic fields while Mars does not have one.

Creationism isn't science, and it doesn't explain jack shit except for what a bunch of savages wandering in the desert 3000 years ago believed.

If the Bible explains things better, then explain why God said that rabbits chew their cud.

Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you. (Leviticus 11:3–6)
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God doesn't seem to know some basic facts about the biology of the animals he created

Evolution doesn't state that there should be chimps or gorillas that are bipedal. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of how evolution works. No one knows why the universe is here. The fact that we can't demonstrate abiogenesis doesn't prove that it didn't happen, and it certainly doesn't prove that God did it. Your argument is that if man can't explain it or demonstrate it, then magic happened.

That isn't logic. It's the mentality of a Stone Age savage.

 

[james bond]

So 007 is God?

No, he's a fictional character in novels and films who has a licence to kill. God is real because the universe and everything in it is here.

 

[james bond]

ROFL! In other words, God can get away with murder because he's says it's OK when he does it?

You need to learn reading comprehension. God had just cause.

What would a court of law say about it? God would be convicted hands down, open and shut.

Wrong again. Why don't YOU bring an invisible God into court? Your logic is silly.

There are people like you who blame God when their loved ones are killed in an accident or a local flood. They end up being very bitter.

If you claim God can get away with murder, then you are making a mockery of the principles of morality. God gets away with anything because he writes the rules? If that's true, then the rules are meaningless. If God isn't subject to the rules, then how can you claim he's good and merciful? Based on what, these arbitrary rules that he created and that he exempts himself from? God is good because God says he's good?

You haven't convicted God of murder. His defense and I are saying there was "just cause." Why don't you look that up?

That said, they still use the Bible to make you swear an oath you are telling the whole truth, so no contradiction there.

You claim you're so smart, but you seem unable to use the rules of logic to make value judgements about God. Your brain stops working the minute you open your so-called "good book."

You are one dumb doodoo claiming the rules of logic. Our laws in the USA are based on objective moral values of God.

 

[james bond]

Their flood myths are just as bogus as the one in the Bible. They originate from 100 year or 1000 year floods that have occurred on the rivers than run through their civilizations. These events get retold and distorted and turned into myths.

You are so biased with uniformitarianism that you do not understand catastrophism as a science.

Those telescopes aren't sufficiently strong enough to detect water. The fact that scientists haven't been able to detect water yet only proves that they haven't been able to detect water yet. Man wasn't able to fly until the Wright brothers invented the airplane. Numerous "authorities" said flight was impossible before that happened.

So you just admitted that you lied about other planets having water like Earth as FACT .

f the Bible explains things better, then explain why God said that rabbits chew their cud.

"Chewing the cud" with rabbits means redigesting their food after it passes out of their system; It means eating their own feces. To this day, they still make a chewing motion like ruminants who also redigest their foods albeit in a different fashion because of their more complex stomach structure. Do you love to eat rabbit?

Funny how you are an expert on feces.

Evolution doesn't state that there should be chimps or gorillas that are bipedal. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of how evolution works.

Facepalm.

Evolution states chimps and gorillas are of common descent. How can they be when they do not mingle? There are no chimp-gorilla or gorilla-chimp hybrids. It's the same with tailed to tailless monkeys. They do not happen today. Thus, where is the common descent?

It's the same with apes and chimps not being bipedal. Thus, using UNIFORMITARIAN thinking, it did not happen in the past as common ancestor theorists like to claim.

 

[bripat9643]

ROFL! In other words, God can get away with murder because he's says it's OK when he does it?

You need to learn reading comprehension. God had just cause.

You keep saying that, but you haven't proved it. Who says he has "just cause" other than himself and his fanatical adherents? The fact that a few people in a city have sex with animals isn't "just cause" for slaughtering every man woman and child in that city.

Prove he had "just cause," or quit saying it. BTW, as far as I'm concerned, there is no "just cause" for genocide. You have to be morally depraved to believe that genocide is ever justified.

What would a court of law say about it? God would be convicted hands down, open and shut.

Wrong again. Why don't YOU bring an invisible God into court? Your logic is silly.

My logic is silly? I'm not the one who claims that an invisible gaseous vertebrate with a penis reads my mind and has "a license to kill."

Any person in court accused of what God has done, according to your good book, would be sentenced to hang. You have yet to demonstrate that your god is innocent of crimes against humanity. All you've done is claim that he has a "get out of jail free" card. He can do whatever he likes, even when it goes against the commandments he set down in stone for humanity to follow.

There are people like you who blame God when their loved ones are killed in an accident or a local flood. They end up being very bitter.

I don't blame god because I know he doesn't exist.

In the case of floods, your god is responsible. How can he not be? Did he create the flood? Of course he did. That makes him guilty of murder. If I set off a bomb in the center of town, am I responsible for all the people that get killed? Of course I am. So how is your god not responsible for the people he kills when he causes a flood?

If you claim God can get away with murder, then you are making a mockery of the principles of morality. God gets away with anything because he writes the rules? If that's true, then the rules are meaningless. If God isn't subject to the rules, then how can you claim he's good and merciful? Based on what, these arbitrary rules that he created and that he exempts himself from? God is good because God says he's good?

You haven't convicted God of murder. His defense and I are saying there was "just cause." Why don't you look that up?

I have looked it up. No court in the world would accept God's claim that he had "just cause." By what standard, other than the arbitrary one he created where he can do whatever he likes?

That said, they still use the Bible to make you swear an oath you are telling the whole truth, so no contradiction there.

All that shows is that plenty of people still believe in Stone Age myths and fairy tales.

You claim you're so smart, but you seem unable to use the rules of logic to make value judgements about God. Your brain stops working the minute you open your so-called "good book."

You are one dumb doodoo claiming the rules of logic. Our laws in the USA are based on objective moral values of God.

There's hardly anything objective about the moral values of your God. He commits crimes that any human would be executed for, and rightly so.

Answer this question: if your god is so moral and merciful, then why does he condone slavery? Do you believe slavery is moral or just? Well, your god does. That alone should demonstrate that your god is a sick, twisted psychopath.

Do you condone executing homosexuals? Well, your sick twisted psychopath god does.

You claim that God has "just cause" just doesn't wash because that would mean it's OK to execute homosexuals.

 

[james bond]

You keep saying that, but you haven't proved it. Who says he has "just cause" other than himself and his fanatical adherents? The fact that a few people in a city have sex with animals isn't "just cause" for slaughtering every man woman and child in that city.

It has already been determined with the Canaanites. God commanded Joshua to carry out the genocide. Can I help it if you can't accept the judgment? This happened before I was born. What you are missing is the other side of God and God's word. All you have is disbelief, the opposite of faith, and belief in what you want to believe. The Canaanites were people who were evil beyond what we can imagine today. If you want proof so bad, then are you ready to do some reading in order to get it? If the following is not enough, then you should find a church and talk with someone about your complaints. They should be able to find a Bible study for you. It's you who want proof or justification for what God did. I already gave you mine. You're the one who wants to take God to court, so that has nothing to do with me. You and everyone else in this world are tainted by sin and have much to learn beyond the scope of this post for what you want.

For anyone to commit murder, then they would have to do it “unlawfully.” With God, one has to recognize that he is God. Thus, “His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” Deuteronomy 32:4. See also Psalm 11:7; 90:0. God created man and expects obedience Exodus 20:4-6; Exodus 23:21; 2 John 1:6. When you take it upon yourself to disobey God as you are doing now, you face God’s wrath Exodus 19:5; Exodus 23:21-22; Leviticus 26:14-18. Furthermore, “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If you (man) does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready” Psalm 7:11-12.

I don't blame god because I know he doesn't exist.

That's part of your problem. Not mine or anyone else's. I can't help it if you're full of disbelief instead of faith in God. Once you have faith in God, then he begins to exist in your worldview.

Thus, do not blame God if he exists and Jesus sends you to hell. I can accept that as just cause. You don't even believe that (which is your sin), so if it's true, then you'll have to accept the consequences. I think that is fair and just.

The rest of your complaints fall under the above.

 

[bripat9643]

You keep saying that, but you haven't proved it. Who says he has "just cause" other than himself and his fanatical adherents? The fact that a few people in a city have sex with animals isn't "just cause" for slaughtering every man woman and child in that city.

It has already been determined with the Canaanites.

Who determined it other than God? What was the basis of this determination? If you can't explain it, then you can't claim it's true.

God commanded Joshua to carry out the genocide. Can I help it if you can't accept the judgment?
This happened before I was born. What you are missing is the other side of God and God's word. All you have is disbelief, the opposite of faith, and belief in what you want to believe.

If you can't explain it, then why should anyone believe it? You see, science is based on facts and logic, not faith. When you tell me to have faith, you are telling me to reject science. You can't claim creationism is science if you claim we should believe it despite having insufficient facts or logic to support it.

The Canaanites were people who were evil beyond what we can imagine today. If you want proof so bad, then are you ready to do some reading in order to get it?

I read God's accusations against the Amalek to justify wiping them out to the last man, woman, child, ox, camel and goat, and I'm not impressed. God failed to explain what he was justified in slaughtering all their children. In fact, he failed to explain why he was justified in killing all the men and women. The only crime they are guilty of, aside from making war on the Israelites who were invading their territory, is having sex with animals. That's not a justification for genocide. There is no justification for genocide.

If you've got something that proves the God was justified in committing genocide against the Amalek, then post it. So far you haven't. You simply claim it's true.

If the following is not enough, then you should find a church and talk with someone about your complaints. They should be able to find a Bible study for you. It's you who want proof or justification for what God did. I already gave you mine. You're the one who wants to take God to court, so that has nothing to do with me. You and everyone else in this world are tainted by sin and have much to learn beyond the scope of this post for what you want.

Yes, I do want proof and justification for what God did. That's how science works. It's based on facts and logic. Telling me to go read the Bible is just an admission that you have nothing to back your claims. Saying you gave me your justification just means you refuse to provide any real evidence. You don't care about the evidence. You reject facts and logic.

Yes I do want God to go to court. He's a criminal who should answer for his crimes. That's how rational people deal with mass murderers. You're spouting like a preacher and not a scientist.

For anyone to commit murder, then they would have to do it “unlawfully.” With God, one has to recognize that he is God. Thus, “His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” Deuteronomy 32:4. See also Psalm 11:7; 90:0. God created man and expects obedience Exodus 20:4-6; Exodus 23:21; 2 John 1:6. When you take it upon yourself to disobey God as you are doing now, you face God’s wrath Exodus 19:5; Exodus 23:21-22; Leviticus 26:14-18. Furthermore, “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If you (man) does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready” Psalm 7:11-12.

All you're saying is that God can do whatever he wants. Whatever God does is just, even if he commits mass murder and kills innocent children and babies. That utterly destroys the meaning of the word justice.

I don't blame god because I know he doesn't exist.

That's part of your problem. Not mine or anyone else's. I can't help it if you're full of disbelief instead of faith in God. Once you have faith in God, then he begins to exist in your worldview.

Yes, it is your problem, because you claim the Bible is fact. Yet, when asked to demonstrate that it's fact, you tell me to have faith. that I should reject facts and logic and simply believe what the Bible says. If you want me to accept the Bible is factual, then you can't tell me to believe it because of faith.

Thus, do not blame God if he exists and Jesus sends you to hell. I can accept that as just cause. You don't even believe that (which is your sin), so if it's true, then you'll have to accept the consequences. I think that is fair and just.

The rest of your complaints fall under the above.

I don't care what you can accept. It's what rational people can accept that counts. You admit you're not rational. You admit you reject facts and logic. You utterly refuse to prove that God had just cause for wiping out the Amaleks.

Don't go telling me to have faith and then claim your Bible babble is science.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Prove he had "just cause," or quit saying it. BTW, as far as I'm concerned, there is no "just cause" for genocide. You have to be morally depraved to believe that genocide is ever justified

Wby aren't you angry at God because you have a limited lifespan on earth and don't live eternally? Isn't He, in effect "murdering" us all with our 3 score and 10? Yet you accept that.

The fact is, you have no right to decide if or how long a human being has on this planet. In the end this is God's decision and you have no say.

Btw, your avatar is fitting in this discussion.

 

[bripat9643]

Prove he had "just cause," or quit saying it. BTW, as far as I'm concerned, there is no "just cause" for genocide. You have to be morally depraved to believe that genocide is ever justified

Wby aren't you angry at God because you have a limited lifespan on earth and don't live eternally? Isn't He, in effect "murdering" us all with our 3 score and 10? Yet you accept that.

The fact is, you have no right to decide if or how long a human being has on this planet. In the end this is God's decision and you have no say.

Btw, your avatar is fitting in this discussion.

I'm not mad because I don't believe in God. Since I have a brain that is capable of reason, I have every right to determine whether the god you claim exists is in fact, merciful and just. If you don't want your god to be evaluated in terms of science, then quit claiming creationism is science instead of abracadabra

 

[james bond]

Who determined it other than God? What was the basis of this determination? If you can't explain it, then you can't claim it's true.

You still do not get it. You are with sin. We all are.

You can't claim creationism is science if you claim we should believe it despite having insufficient facts or logic to support it.

The fact is the universe and everything in it is here when it isn't supposed to be. The Bible tells us how it got here in Genesis and that God stretches out the universe. The fact is It's still being stretched out. The Bible tells us that the universe is shaped like a scroll. We found out the shape of the universe is flat like a scroll a few years ago, not saddle shaped as previously thought.

Yet, when asked to demonstrate that it's fact, you tell me to have faith. that I should reject facts and logic and simply believe what the Bible says.

You do not have facts for abiogenesis, aliens, monkeys to human common ancestry and more. They're secular theories and as I have pointed out not observable science, just historical science. That which is observable such a no bipedalism in apes and chimps today, you deny. I even pointed it out using uniformitarian thinking, and still you deny. You can't have it both ways. That's a contradiction which falsifies that theory. OTOH, you have failed to point out the contradiction in the Bible.

Basically, what I see is you have not learned from Adam's sin and Adam was the most perfect human at the time. What was his sin? Obviously, he believed in God, so God put a negative test in front of him and Eve.

Today, we have John 3:16 as to what to believe. This time, God has put a positive test so all can participate. However, your statement of disbelief violates that. Your rantings also violate one of the commandments. What commandment are you violation of that makes you a sinner? You already had Adam's sin and now you have another. That's the just cause in God's terms.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"was stumped by a creationist"

Said no informed person for the last 150 years....

 

[bripat9643]

Who determined it other than God? What was the basis of this determination? If you can't explain it, then you can't claim it's true.

You still do not get it. You are with sin. We all are.

In other words, God, is the only one who says. God doesn't have to follow his own rules of morality. God isn't evil simply because the Bible defines whatever God does as good and holy. That's utter crap. It sure as hell isn't science or factual.

You can't claim creationism is science if you claim we should believe it despite having insufficient facts or logic to support it.

The fact is the universe and everything in it is here when it isn't supposed to be.

Who says it's not supposed to be here other than you and a bunch of other Bible thumpers? Referring to the Bible isn't science. It's abracadabra.

The Bible tells us how it got here in Genesis and that God stretches out the universe.

That's a myth. It has no scientific evidence to support it. You claim creationism is science. Yet the only way you can support it is by referring to the Bible, a collection of Stone Age myths.

The fact is It's still being stretched out. The Bible tells us that the universe is shaped like a scroll. We found out the shape of the universe is flat like a scroll a few years ago, not saddle shaped as previously thought.

You don't even know what it means when a physicist says the universe is flat, and it's not a confirmed theory. It's just speculation at the moment.

Yet, when asked to demonstrate that it's fact, you tell me to have faith. that I should reject facts and logic and simply believe what the Bible says.

You do not have facts for abiogenesis, aliens, monkeys to human common ancestry and more.

Yes I do. For one thing, I know for a fact that your understanding of the theory of evolution is wrong. Your theory that abiogenesis has been proven never to have occurred is also wrong.

They're secular theories and as I have pointed out not observable science, just historical science.

Even if that were true, that doesn't mean you get to assume that God did it.

That which is observable such a no bipedalism in apes and chimps today, you deny.

That isn't a requirement for evolution to be true. It's proof that you don't know the slightest thing about the science of evolution. There were plenty of bipedal apes in the past.

I even pointed it out using uniformitarian thinking, and still you deny.

I have no idea what you believe the term "uniformitarian" is supposed to mean, but I'm sure you don't understand it.

You can't have it both ways. That's a contradiction which falsifies that theory. OTOH, you have failed to point out the contradiction in the Bible.

What "both ways" are you referring to? None of what you spout has any connection with reality.

Basically, what I see is you have not learned from Adam's sin and Adam was the most perfect human at the time. What was his sin? Obviously, he believed in God, so God put a negative test in front of him and Eve.

Adam and Eve are myths. Other than the Bible, there isn't a shred of evidence that they ever existed.

Speaking of Adam and Eve, answer this question:

After he murdered his brother, "Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch" (Gen 4:17). To Enoch was born Irad, who became the father of Mehujael, who became the father of Methushael, who became the father of Lamech (v. 18). No wives are named anywhere. Finally Lamech marries two women who are named: Adah and Zillah (v. 19).​

Where did Cain's wife come from? Adam and Eve were the only two humans on Earth when Cain was born, so where did his wife come from?

Today, we have John 3:16 as to what to believe. This time, God has put a positive test so all can participate. However, your statement of disbelief violates that. Your rantings also violate one of the commandments. What commandment are you violation of that makes you a sinner? You already had Adam's sin and now you have another. That's the just cause in God's terms.

Once again you're telling me to have faith rather than insist on evidence. That isn't science. It's abracadabra. Faith isn't allowed in science. You're only proving that you know your creationist hocus-pocus has no basis in science. Whenever you're asked to produce some science, you runaway to your faith based theories.