Was stumped by a Creationist

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If as you claim we came from nothing

I didn't claim that. You need to go back and start over. And I also never said god can't come from nothing. But if you say god did come from nothing, then I will just ask you why the universe could not have. You are confused about who is making assertions, here.

I accept I do not know how everything originally got started but to claim science has the answer is just as much faith as saying God started it

Wrong.

The fails as an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

That science has yet to determine the origin of life on Earth doesn’t mean ‘god’ is the ‘answer.’

 

[cnm]

Is anyone here claiming science has the answer? Apart from the voices, of course.

 

[danielpalos]

Is anyone here claiming science has the answer? Apart from the voices, of course.

We don't have Perfect Knowledge of Good and Evil, either. Science must provide an answer, eventually.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Premise, a big fucking ass GUESS and you claim you don't believe.

I didn't say I believed the premises. You are so rabid that you can't seem to follow what is a pretty simple discussion.

I said that you can logically arrive at that conclusion (or any other) using the premises that help you get there.

I can, without violating a single rule of logic, argue that the moon being made of cheese means unicorns make ice cream.

Everyone knows unicorns cant make ice cream......



...they make rainbow sherbert...


[emoji16]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Premise, a big fucking ass GUESS and you claim you don't believe.

I didn't say I believed the premises. You are so rabid that you can't seem to follow what is a pretty simple discussion.

I said that you can logically arrive at that conclusion (or any other) using the premises that help you get there.

I can, without violating a single rule of logic, argue that the moon being made of cheese means unicorns make ice cream.

Everyone knows unicorns cant make ice cream......



...they make rainbow sherbert...


[emoji16]

Dang it!

But the logic is still valid.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

To the deniers who think there is no evidence of a new species evolving:

Canis lepophagus

This species first appeared in the fossil record about 5 Mya, right about when an earlier canid species disappeared from the fossil record, and in the same place. It no longer appears in the fossil record after about 1 Mya, while early coyotes and wolves appear in the fossil record at that time and in the same place.

So, where did canis lepophagus come from? Where did it go?

 

[cnm]

We don't have Perfect Knowledge of Good and Evil, either. Science must provide an answer, eventually.

Why must it?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

To the deniers who think there is no evidence of a new species evolving:

Canis lepophagus

This species first appeared in the fossil record about 5 Mya, right about when an earlier canid species disappeared from the fossil record, and in the same place. It no longer appears in the fossil record after about 1 Mya, while early coyotes and wolves appear in the fossil record at that time and in the same place.

So, where did canis lepophagus come from? Where did it go?

Who cares? One species evolving into a better species or a different species is NOT what we are talking about we are talking about ONE mammal species evolving into 2 or more distinctly DIFFERENT species.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

we are talking about ONE mammal species evolving into 2 or more distinctly DIFFERENT species.

Well,this may come as a shock, but: coyotes and wolves are different species. And both are different species than canis lepophagus.

 

[cnm]

I'm shocked. Shocked.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

we are talking about ONE mammal species evolving into 2 or more distinctly DIFFERENT species.

Well,this may come as a shock, but: coyotes and wolves are different species. And both are different species than canis lepophagus.

And you have no actual evidence a single species spawned them now do you?

 

[cnm]

And you have no actual evidence a single species spawned them now do you?

A line stopping and two lines starting is evidence. Can you say what will be sufficient evidence for you that wolves and coyotes evolved from Lepophagus and why it matters that two evolved from one??

And what exactly is the point you're trying to make?

 

[abu afak]

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BUT NO evidence that a single species evolved into TWO or more distinctly DIFFERENT species.

Evidence of common descent
Evidence of common descent - Wikipedia

• 1 Evidence from comparative physiology and biochemistry
  • 1.1 Genetics
  • 1.2 Specific examples from comparative physiology and biochemistry
• 2 Evidence from comparative anatomy
  • 2.1 Atavisms
  • 2.2 Evolutionary developmental biology and embryonic development
  • 2.3 Homologous structures and divergent (adaptive) evolution
  • 2.4 Nested hierarchies and classification
  • 2.5 Vestigial structures
  • 2.6 Specific examples from comparative anatomy
• 3 Evidence from paleontology
  • 3.1 Fossil record
  • 3.2 Limitations
  • 3.3 Specific examples from paleontology
• 4 Evidence from biogeography
  • 4.1 Continental distribution
  • 4.2 Island biogeography
  • 4.3 Ring species
  • 4.4 Specific examples from biogeography
• 5 Evidence from selection
  • 5.1 Artificial selection and experimental evolution
  • 5.2 Invertebrates
  • 5.3 Microbes
  • 5.4 Plants and fungi
  • 5.5 Vertebrates
• 6 Evidence from speciation
  • 6.1 Fossils
  • 6.2 Invertebrates
  • 6.3 Plants
  • 6.4 Vertebrates
• 7 Evidence from coloration
  • 7.1 Mimicry and aposematism
  • 7.2 Camouflage
• 8 Evidence from mathematical modeling
• 9 See also
• 10 References
• 11 Sources
• 12 External links

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

And you have no actual evidence a single species spawned them now do you?

Wrong, I even detailed some of it for you.

Now, answer my questions.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And you have no actual evidence a single species spawned them now do you?

Wrong, I even detailed some of it for you.

Now, answer my questions.

You dont have any questions just your dogma. There is no proof one mammal species has EVER mutated into 2 or more distinctly different species.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You dont have any questions

I asked you two very specific questions:

Where did canis lepophagus come from? Where did it go?

And here's a third question: exactly what sort of evidence would satisfy you?

If you are too big a sissy to have this discussion, then get the hell out of the thread.

 

[abu afak]

And you have no actual evidence a single species spawned them now do you?

Wrong, I even detailed some of it for you.

Now, answer my questions.

You dont have any questions just your dogma. There is no proof one mammal species has EVER mutated into 2 or more distinctly different species.

You're a Dishonest Godist Piece of ****
Science doesn't deal in "Proof". Math deals in proof.

Science deals in Evidence (so you've had to Morph/move the goal posts).. and of that we have Overwhelming EVIDENCE of every type of speciation, including/Especially of mammals from other mammals, Including Human/Ape/Primate

Now take the old metal frags out of your syphilitic brain, and start learning you Low IQ Ahole.
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[RetiredGySgt]

And you have no actual evidence a single species spawned them now do you?

Wrong, I even detailed some of it for you.

Now, answer my questions.

You dont have any questions just your dogma. There is no proof one mammal species has EVER mutated into 2 or more distinctly different species.

You're a Dishonest Godist Piece of ****
Science doesn't deal in "Proof". Math deals in proof.

Science deals in Evidence (so you've had to Morph/move the goal posts).. and of that we have Overwhelming EVIDENCE of every type of speciation, including/Especially of mammals from other mammals, Including Human/Ape/Primate

Now take the old metal frags out of your syphilitic brain, and start learning you Low IQ Ahole.
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Wrong, what you have from science in regards evolution of mammals is BIG ASSED GUESSES. There are no ACTUAL fossil records no actual evidence that a single mammal species evolved into 2 or more distinctly different species. DNA does not prove it as all mammals have similar DNA according to science we must have evolved from pigs since so much of our DNA is JUST like a pigs. Scientists created a theory with a GUESS and then filled out the following premises with MORE guesses.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And you have no actual evidence a single species spawned them now do you?

Wrong, I even detailed some of it for you.

Now, answer my questions.

You dont have any questions just your dogma. There is no proof one mammal species has EVER mutated into 2 or more distinctly different species.

You're a Dishonest Godist Piece of ****
Science doesn't deal in "Proof". Math deals in proof.

Science deals in Evidence (so you've had to Morph/move the goal posts).. and of that we have Overwhelming EVIDENCE of every type of speciation, including/Especially of mammals from other mammals, Including Human/Ape/Primate

Now take the old metal frags out of your syphilitic brain, and start learning you Low IQ Ahole.
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Wrong, what you have from science in regards evolution of mammals is BIG ASSED GUESSES. There are no ACTUAL fossil records no actual evidence that a single mammal species evolved into 2 or more distinctly different species. DNA does not prove it as all mammals have similar DNA according to science we must have evolved from pigs since so much of our DNA is JUST like a pigs. Scientists created a theory with a GUESS and then filled out the following premises with MORE guesses.

You know less than nothing about DNA and should probably shut up right now.

And then, answer my questions.

 

[DOTR]

Actually several of the prominent arguers in this thread HAVE stated it is fact and that scientists also believe it is FACT.

When correctly referring to the big bang as meaning the rapid expansionary period itself...yes, it is considered a fact, at this point. The evidence is overwhelming.

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