Zone1 Was genetic manipulation taking place before the Flood of time of Noah?

[DennisPTate]

Chapter four of an ancient Jewish book, The Book of Jasher, seems to indicate that cloning and genetic research took place probably centuries before the time of Noah.

Did genetic research play a role in the children and grandchildren of the Watchers with the grandchildren of Cain and Luluwa?
[According to The Book of Adam and Eve, Cain had a twin sister named Luluwa who was supposed to marry Abel and Abel had a twin sister named Aklia who was supposed to marry Cain].

18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.



19 And the Lord said, I will blot out man that I created from the face of the earth, yea from man to the birds of the air, together with cattle and beasts that are in the field for I repent that I made them.



20 And all men who walked in the ways of the Lord, died in those days, before the Lord brought the evil upon man which he had declared, for this was from the Lord, that they should not see the evil which the Lord spoke of concerning the sons of men.



21 And Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord chose him and his children to raise up seed from them upon the face of the whole earth.

[Book of Jasher, chapter 4]

Book of Jasher, Chapter 4 | Internet Sacred Text Archive

Christianity: 1 And all the days that Enoch lived upon earth, were three hundred and sixty-five years.

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You may wish to read The Book of Adam and Eve that is also called The Testament of Moses to get a better background to this topic.

Chapter I - The crystal sea, God commands Adam, expelled from Eden, to live in the Cave of Treasures.

1 On the third day, God planted the garden in the east of the earth, on the border of the world eastward, beyond which, towards the sun-rising, one finds nothing but water, that encompasses the whole world, and reaches to the borders of heaven. 2 And to the north of the garden there is a sea of water, clear and pure to the taste, unlike anything else; so that, through the clearness thereof, one may look into the depths of the earth. 3 And when a man washes himself in it, he becomes clean of the cleanness thereof, and white of its whiteness -- even if he were dark. 4 And God created that sea of his own good pleasure, for He knew what would come of the man He would make; so that after he had left the garden, on account of his transgression, men should be born in the earth. Among them are righteous ones who will die, whose souls God would raise at the last day; when all of them will return to their flesh, bathe in the water of that sea, and repent of their sins. 5 But when God made Adam go out of the garden, He did not place him on the border of it northward. This was so that he and Eve would not be able to go near to the sea of water where they could wash themselves in it, be cleansed from their sins, erase the transgression they had committed, and be no longer reminded of it in the thought of their punishment. 6 As to the southern side of the garden, God did not want Adam to live there either; because, when the wind blew from the north, it would bring him, on that southern side, the delicious smell of the trees of the garden. 7 Wherefore God did not put Adam there. This was so that he would not be able to smell the sweet smell of those trees, forget his transgression, and find consolation for what he had done by taking delight in the smell of the trees and yet not be cleansed from his transgression. 8 Again, also, because God is merciful and of great pity, and governs all things in a way that He alone knows -- He made our father Adam live in the western border of the garden, because on that side the earth is very broad. 9 And God commanded him to live there in a cave in a rock -- the Cave of Treasures below the garden.

Chapter II - Adam and Eve faint when they leave the Garden. God sends His Word to encourage them.

Forgotten Books of Eden: First Book of Adam and Eve

Forgotten Books of Eden: First Book of Adam and Eve

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[MarcATL]

Seems to be the case OP.

 

[Woodznutz]

I can't go off in the weeds with these other books. I believe the canon as we know it was inspired, albeit with some errors intact, some obvious, some not so.

 

[Stryder50]

That is the main premise of this thread;
The Geminga Scenario
That the Anunnaki, who were the ancient "gods", did such to jump start evolution of homo erectus, etc. into current humans.

 

[DennisPTate]

Seems to be the case OP.

Yes, when you have people with even greater mental aptitude than Dr. Albert Einstein living for multiple centuries they are bound to get into some pretty serious theories and experiments and inventions.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yes, when you have people with even greater mental aptitude than Dr. Albert Einstein living for multiple centuries they are bound to get into some pretty serious theories and experiments and inventions.

Like lifting them big ol' stone blocks into place.

 

[DennisPTate]

I can't go off in the weeds with these other books. I believe the canon as we know it was inspired, albeit with some errors intact, some obvious, some not so.

But if your children or grandchilren ask you questions those old Jewish books, [ or perhaps a near death experience account], might just give you the answers that will get your kids or grandchildren to begin to read and research topics like this for themselves.

For example the near death experiences of Ms. Jan Price and former Atheist Howard Storm helped one of our children to develop their spirituality.

It is my strong suspicion that sticking pretty much to the Bible itself and only the Bible is one of the reasons why so many young people are Atheists or Agnostics.

1. About Jan Price​

Jan Price (died 2011) and her husband John were the founders of the Quartus Foundation, a research and communications organization whose mission is to probe the mysteries of ageless wisdom and integrating their truths with metaphysical spirituality. The foundation is currently headquartered in Boerne, Texas near San Antonio. Ms. Price was a regular columnist in the magazine Whole Health and has written numerous articles for the Quartus Report and other magazines. She was also a speaker and has produced several meditation audiocassettes. Jan Price was an internationally known teacher-lecturer, and author of The Other Side of Death, a widely acclaimed book about her near-death experience in 1993 and her remarkable journey beyond the veil which included a reunion with her deceased pet dog.

In the book, “The Self Does Not Die: Verified Paranormal Phenomena from NDEs” by Titus Rivas et al, a phenomenon called a “Shared NDE” is documented. Jan Price had a heart attack at home and the paramedics were called. While she was on the gurney, and during the paramedics’ resuscitation procedure, Jan had an NDE. Her husband, John, who was perfectly healthy, observed Jan’s solid form leave her physical body and rise up, dressed in a flowing, green gown. Then their recently deceased, beloved dog, Maggi, appeared briefly to John. Jan experienced leaving her body, rising above it, and then her dog appearing. Jan had other verified perceptions of her resuscitation that were verified by the paramedics.

Jan Price's Near-Death Experience With Her Pet Dog - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife profiles Jan Price's Near-Death Experience With Her Pet Dog . Did you enjoy reading this post, we have more!

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[DennisPTate]

That is the main premise of this thread;
The Geminga Scenario
That the Anunnaki, who were the ancient "gods", did such to jump start evolution of homo erectus, etc. into current humans.

This is a very controversial idea. I shall have to have a look at that discussion. I do believe that the Adam and Eve pair of the Book of Genesis were superior to us 2026 humans. I believe that we humans are getting weaker and weaker every century. But on the plus side we are now so sick and so tired that we tend to be more willing to admit that we desperately need the help of heaven to accomplish anything good with our lives.

 

[Woodznutz]

But if your children or grandchilren ask you questions those old Jewish books, [ or perhaps a near death experience account], might just give you the answers that will get your kids or grandchildren to begin to read and research topics like this for themselves.

For example the near death experiences of Ms. Jan Price and former Atheist Howard Storm helped one of our children to develop their spirituality.

It is my strong suspicion that sticking pretty much to the Bible itself and only the Bible is one of the reasons why so many young people are Atheists or Agnostics.

I think we can both agree that the Bible remains the most misunderstood book in the history of books. Even most Christians don't understand the difference between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Also, that the Bible wasn't written in English.

"If the KJV was good enough for the Jesus and the apostles it's good enough for me."

 

[DennisPTate]

Like lifting them big ol' stone blocks into place.

Exactly!

Some of the stones in the pyramids or in other structures worldwide are so massive that it is only in the last decades that we finally have cranes that could move stones that huge. Cutting those stones to fit so perfectly though is still a challenge even for our modern technology.

No, the stones used in ancient pyramids are not too big for modern cranes to lift. While the stones are impressively large—with some weighing between 50 and 80 tons—modern industrial cranes are capable of lifting thousands of tons.
Quora +4
Here is a breakdown of the facts regarding pyramid stone sizes and modern lifting capabilities:

• Weight of Pyramid Stones: The vast majority of the 2.3 million blocks in the Great Pyramid of Giza weigh around 2.5 tons. The heaviest, which are granite beams in the King's Chamber, weigh up to 80 metric tons.
• Modern Crane Capacity: Modern "super heavy lifter" cranes, such as "Big Carl," can lift approximately 5,000 tons, which is far beyond the weight of even the heaviest pyramid stone.
• Misconceptions: The idea that these stones are too large for modern technology often stems from a misconception that only small cranes exist or that the 70–80 ton stones were used for the entire structure, rather than just in specific, limited, and lower-level locations.
• Historical Context: While modern cranes could lift these stones, the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids without them, likely using a combination of ramps, lever systems, sledges, and significant, highly organized human labor.

While lifting 50–80 ton blocks to the heights of the pyramid would be a major engineering project today, it is well within the capabilities of current heavy-lift technology.

 

[DennisPTate]

I think we can both agree that the Bible remains the most misunderstood book in the history of books. Even most Christians don't understand the difference between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Also, that the Bible wasn't written in English.

"If the KJV was good enough for the apostles it's good enough for me."

Yes, I totally agree with you that the Bible is the most misunderstood book on earth at this time. I had terrible misconceptions about the State of the Dead until I read the Dr. George Ritchie near death experience account from 1943. Once I read it I became almost certain that the Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong teachings on the State of the Dead were too dogmatic and over simplified.

c. His Experience of the “Receiving Station”​

Jesus then takes Ritchie to another realm and is shown a kind of “receiving station” where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of a particular religious belief they held to be true. Here there were “angels” trying to arouse them and help them realize, “God is truly a God of the living and that they did not have to lie around sleeping until Gabriel or someone came along blowing on a horn.” These are the spirits of people who believe they must sleep in their grave until the second coming of Christ (i.e., soul sleep.)

....

f. His Vision of the Heavenly City​

Ritchie is then taken into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light – similar in description to the heavenly city in the Book of Revelation (see also Revelation 21:10-27.) This is the place where people go who have become like Jesus while on Earth – a place where love is the dominant focus of life. This is heaven he realizes; but he is not allowed to enter it. Instead, Jesus shows him the future of Earth and is told to return to his physical body. At this point, Ritchie is revived from death.

George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife profiles George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience . Did you enjoy reading this post, we have more!

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[Hafar1014]

This is a very controversial idea. I shall have to have a look at that discussion. I do believe that the Adam and Eve pair of the Book of Genesis were superior to us 2026 humans. I believe that we humans are getting weaker and weaker every century. But on the plus side we are now so sick and so tired that we tend to be more willing to admit that we desperately need the help of heaven to accomplish anything good with our lives.

We are getting larger and stronger and smarter.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Chapter four of an ancient Jewish book, The Book of Jasher, seems to indicate that cloning and genetic research took place probably centuries before the time of Noah.

Did genetic research play a role in the children and grandchildren of the Watchers with the grandchildren of Cain and Luluwa?
[According to The Book of Adam and Eve, Cain had a twin sister named Luluwa who was supposed to marry Abel and Abel had a twin sister named Aklia who was supposed to marry Cain].




You may wish to read The Book of Adam and Eve that is also called The Testament of Moses to get a better background to this topic.

Human DNA has concrete proof of genetic engineering

 

[Woodznutz]

But if your children or grandchilren ask you questions those old Jewish books,

My (now grown) kids and grandkids have absolutely no interest in religion.

 

[Woodznutz]

We are getting larger and stronger and smarter.

A.I. will put an end to that.

 

[Darkwind]

You'd have to ask the Nephilim to ask their Angel parents if they could, pretty please, manipulate some DNA?

 

[DennisPTate]

You'd have to ask the Nephilim to ask their Angel parents if they could, pretty please, manipulate some DNA?

Now that is a fascinating answer indeed Darkwind!

Why would you guess that the name Azazel is there in the original Hebrew of Leviticus chapter sixteen?

I noticed that name in the RSV, Revised Standard Version.

;“And Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. 7;Then he shall take the two goats, and set them before the Lord at the door of the tent of meeting; 8;and Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Aza′zel. 9;And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; 10;but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza′zel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza′zel.

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 16 - Revised Standard Version

The Day of Atonement - The LORD spoke to Moses, after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they drew near before the LORD and died; and the LORD said to Moses, “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at all times into the holy place within the veil, before the mercy seat which is upon the ark...

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Am I being terribly naive to think that HaShem - YHWH wants Azazel to be like a modern General Abner or Apostle Paul?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Not in the sense that we have the technology today, but genetic mutation took place, because of the fallen angels mating with humans and animals, to the point of near extinction of the purebred human. God put 8 people whose DNA had not changed in their generations, put them in a boat, and started over.

I don't believe there are any scriptures that support cloning...

 

[DennisPTate]

Not in the sense that we have the technology today, but genetic mutation took place, because of the fallen angels mating with humans and animals, to the point of near extinction of the purebred human. God put 8 people whose DNA had not changed in their generations, put them in a boat, and started over.

I don't believe there are any scriptures that support cloning...

Good point unless we include the Book of Enoch that was a part of the Christian Bible for several centuries before it was replaced by the Book of Revalation.

Chapter 1​

1The word of the blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the elect and the righteous, who were to exist in the time of trouble; rejecting all the wicked and ungodly. Enoch, a righteous man, who was (1) with God, answered and spoke, while his eyes were open, and while he saw a holy vision in the heavens. This the angels showed me.

(1) N.B. The italicized words supply a gap in the text.


2From them I heard all things, and understood what I saw; that which will not take place in this generation, but in a generation which is to succeed at a distant period, on account of the elect.


3Upon their account I spoke and conversed with him, who will go forth from his habitation, the Holy and Mighty One, the God of the world:


4Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai; appear with his hosts; and be manifested in the strength of his power from heaven.


5All shall be afraid, and the Watchers be terrified.


6Great fear and trembling shall seize them, even to the ends of the earth. The lofty mountains shall be troubled, and the exalted hills depressed, melting like a honeycomb in the flame. The earth shall be immerged, and all things which are in it perish; while judgment shall come upon all, even upon all the righteous:


7But to them shall he give peace: he shall preserve the elect, and towards them exercise clemency.


8Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and the splendour of the Godhead shall illuminate them.
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Chapter 12​

1Before all these things Enoch was concealed; nor did any one of the sons of men know where he was concealed, where he had been, and what had happened.


2He was wholly engaged with the holy ones, and with the Watchers in his days.


3I, Enoch, was blessing the great Lord and King of peace.


4And behold the Watchers called me Enoch the scribe.


5Then the Lord said to me: Enoch, scribe of righteousness, go tell the Watchers of heaven, who have deserted the lofty sky, and their holy everlasting station, who have been polluted with women.


6And have done as the sons of men do, by taking to themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth;


7That on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remission of sin. For they shall not rejoice in their offspring; they shall behold the slaughter of their beloved; shall lament for the destruction of their sons; and shall petition for ever; but shall not obtain mercy and peace.

The Book of Enoch, Chapters 1-60

Books of Enoch

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[Stryder50]

I think we can both agree that the Bible remains the most misunderstood book in the history of books. Even most Christians don't understand the difference between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Also, that the Bible wasn't written in English.

"If the KJV was good enough for the Jesus and the apostles it's good enough for me."

KJV was several centuries after Jesus, and translated from at least two earlier versions, Greek and Latin IIRC.
I don't recall Jesus ever giving his endorsement to KJV.
Catholics and Orthodox might also contest that.