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Warning: Earth Needs More CO2
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Midnight Marauder
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He makes a very good analogy between prohibition and this "Climate Change" science fiction hysteria. Organized crime found its birthplace there, to this day we have never completely recovered from that panic boondoggle. We're making the exact same mistake now, except the convenient "devil" this time is CO2 -- which also happens to be essential for all life on this planet.
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What do they put in your water to make you so stupid and dishonest? Normaly I give more respect to women but your words are ignorant lies.
The Oil companies have contributed HOW much to influence congress against science over the last twenty years?
BILLIONS!!!!!
The Greeners have contributed HOW much to support science?
Less than a few million.
At least a thousand to one ration you ignorant twat.
You are a lying dueshbag. And a pretty crappy citizen of the planet.
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I suppose you have a credible source for these assertions, that you would be more than happy to post a link to here, for the readers' perusal?
Because it sounds like regurgitated spoonfed environazi bullshit.
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Did you take five minutes to read the statement of the Princeton University physics professor?
Yes, we did.
He agreed with the rest of the scientists that CO2 has increased the earth's temperature by one degree in the last hundred years.
The problem is the effect of the CO2 increase is cumulative and constantly increasing. Combine that with the feedback effects of melting poles, and the effect will become more powerful in the future.
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If I'm reading your post correctly MM, you're saying that alcohol is essential for all life on this planet?
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well, actually....
Eugene Higgens Professor of Physics, Princeton University
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Read the Dyson article please - his is the most profound and sensible voice of reason - and in the scientific community, he speaks from a mountain far higher, broader, and more significant than the the pretenders such as Hansen and Gore - a man who shared his formative years of academia just as Einstein was winding down his own. And as Dyson's own career winds down, he finds himself elevated to the very scientific heights where those few figures such as Einstein now reside.
Dyson is a life-long liberal, a political supporter of Obama, a constant critic of the Bush policies, and an adamant opponent to nuclear weapon proliferation. He is also a harsh critic of the global warming hysteria, and likens Al Gore to its "chief propogandist" and Hansen and his Goddard Institute as the real "inconvenient truth". Dyson charges Hansen with consistently exaggerating the the dangers of climate change. Among his harshest deflections of global warming is its overt dependance upon easily manipulated climate data models - describing the entire premise as "lousy science", and feeling it is distracting the world from far more pressing concerns.
Dyson understands that while carbon emissions are in fact rising, the earth remains in a "relatively cool period" - and that any warming experienced is not in fact global, but rather local. (a view also supported by the great French climate scientist Leroux) Dyson goes on to view potential rising carbon as a good thing - that it very well could improve the overall climate. He points to the earth's own historical record when climate levels were far higher than present.
Dyson also comments on how the global warming industry will aggressively work to discredit any scientist who questions the very lack of credible science behind the global warming junta. "According to the global warming people...I'm paid by the oil industry. Of course I'm not, but that's part of their rhetoric. If you doubt it, you're a bad person, a tool of the oil or coal industry...it has become the party line." (emphasis added)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?_r=1
Dyson is a life-long liberal, a political supporter of Obama, a constant critic of the Bush policies, and an adamant opponent to nuclear weapon proliferation. He is also a harsh critic of the global warming hysteria, and likens Al Gore to its "chief propogandist" and Hansen and his Goddard Institute as the real "inconvenient truth". Dyson charges Hansen with consistently exaggerating the the dangers of climate change. Among his harshest deflections of global warming is its overt dependance upon easily manipulated climate data models - describing the entire premise as "lousy science", and feeling it is distracting the world from far more pressing concerns.
Dyson understands that while carbon emissions are in fact rising, the earth remains in a "relatively cool period" - and that any warming experienced is not in fact global, but rather local. (a view also supported by the great French climate scientist Leroux) Dyson goes on to view potential rising carbon as a good thing - that it very well could improve the overall climate. He points to the earth's own historical record when climate levels were far higher than present.
Dyson also comments on how the global warming industry will aggressively work to discredit any scientist who questions the very lack of credible science behind the global warming junta. "According to the global warming people...I'm paid by the oil industry. Of course I'm not, but that's part of their rhetoric. If you doubt it, you're a bad person, a tool of the oil or coal industry...it has become the party line." (emphasis added)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?_r=1
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Sinatra, I appreciate your civil posts without the silly name calling of some people here.
From the article you posted...
"That is the position of a more moderate expert on climate change, William Chameides, dean of the Nicholas School of the Environment and Earth Sciences at Duke University, who says, “I don’t think it’s time to panic,” but contends that, because of global warming, “more sea-level rise is inevitable and will displace millions; melting high-altitude glaciers will threaten the food supplies for perhaps a billion or more; and ocean acidification could undermine the food supply of another billion or so.” Dyson strongly disagrees with each of these points..."
Here's the problem with these points.....
A very small increase in the sea level will displace millions.
Many of the glaciers referred to above have already melted.
And the influence of CO2 on the climate grows greater each and every day.
Now against that we have the "possiblilty" of a coming ice age. But the effect of CO2 is here now and is already happening. So we have to weight the threat of CO2 caused global warming against the possibilty of a coming ice age. Which seems like the more immediate threat? I would have to say global warming.
From the article you posted...
"That is the position of a more moderate expert on climate change, William Chameides, dean of the Nicholas School of the Environment and Earth Sciences at Duke University, who says, “I don’t think it’s time to panic,” but contends that, because of global warming, “more sea-level rise is inevitable and will displace millions; melting high-altitude glaciers will threaten the food supplies for perhaps a billion or more; and ocean acidification could undermine the food supply of another billion or so.” Dyson strongly disagrees with each of these points..."
Here's the problem with these points.....
A very small increase in the sea level will displace millions.
Many of the glaciers referred to above have already melted.
And the influence of CO2 on the climate grows greater each and every day.
Now against that we have the "possiblilty" of a coming ice age. But the effect of CO2 is here now and is already happening. So we have to weight the threat of CO2 caused global warming against the possibilty of a coming ice age. Which seems like the more immediate threat? I would have to say global warming.
PoliticalChic
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Rise of sea levels is ‘the greatest lie ever told’ « UD/RK Samhälls Debatt
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, “the sea is not rising,” he says. “It hasn’t risen in 50 years.” If there is any rise this century it will “not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm”. And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.
The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on “going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world”.
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, “the sea is not rising,” he says. “It hasn’t risen in 50 years.” If there is any rise this century it will “not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm”. And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.
The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on “going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world”.
PoliticalChic
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I'm feeling ya', buddy.
Don't be afraid to name that guy Huggy! Go ahead, call him out!
I got your back, and I'll hold your coat.
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Dyson refuted all of those points - as well as indicating current CO2 levels are historically low, and that higher Co2 could be of great benefit to the overall climate.
He maintains, and I agree - there are far more pressing concerns for humanity than the speculative outlook regarding global warming.
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