War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[RandallFlagg]

1. The strike is not designed to target ANY of the chemical stockpiles.

2. The strike is not designed to overthrow Assad.

3. There will be more than enough military targets to hit once the cruise missiles are flying. The Syrian military is engaged in the middle of a war. Many of the things the rebels can hit, can also be hit with U.S. Cruise Missiles.

Then what the hell, EXACTLY, is it designed to do? Kill civilians? The "stockpiles" as well as the "Army" will most likely move to schools, hospitals and the like. Civilians will be moved into positions of the likely "strikes" and then video cameras will cover the slaughter.

Gee,you really are uneducated about these people, aren't you? you MUST be a politician.

There are things like Fuel storage facilities, aircraft, aircraft hangers, helicopters, artillery, main battle tanks, armored personal carriers, military check points, frontline military positions adjacent to rebel held areas, oil and natural gas facilities, electricity facilities, military barracks, communications networks, government buildings etc.

There are plenty of targets to hit besides chemical stockpiles.

Uh-huh. Who do you work for? McCain?

 

[Kondor3]

Yes, I saw the Obama speech today, as well, and was appalled.

Sounded more like a schoolboy setting the stage so that HE would not get blamed when the shit hits the fan.

And I voted for the guy twice - because I thought that both McSame and Mittens would be even worse.

I may have been mistaken.

 

[Gracie]

Well...I don't really give a rats ass if they used chemical weapons. China had a guy use serin gas in the subways but you didn't see up run over there with boots on the ground. IT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. When terrorists use it HERE, THEN it's our business.

But I waste my breath. Obama is bound and determined to start WWIII no matter what ANYONE says.

 

[georgephillip]

“I didn’t set a red line. The world set a red line."

Bullshit;

Obama Warns Syria's Assad Chemical Weapons A 'RED Line' - YouTube



And then he goes on to say;

“My credibility is not on the line — the international community’s credibility is on the line,”



How can anyone defend this turd?

Obama has been Wall Street's Boy* from Day One.
He's only occupying the White House because the richest 1% had no idea how bad the Great Recession would be in the Fall of 2008 so they chose a "black knight" to ensure their survival. The petrodollar is key to their continued economic success at the expense of 90% of Americans (and Syrians) I'm beginning to think Obama needs the same impeachment scare that Clinton got if we don't want to see war with Iran and the privatization of Social Security before 2016.

*Mark Twain believed the difference between the almost-right word and the right word was the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning. Boy is the bug. The lightning starts with the same letter and rhymes with rich.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes, I saw the Obama speech today, as well, and was appalled.

Sounded more like a schoolboy setting the stage so that HE would not get blamed when the shit hits the fan.

And I voted for the guy twice - because I thought that both McSame and Mittens would be even worse.

I may have been mistaken.

FWIW, I don't think you were.
McCain and Mitt would have performed similarly to Obama in many ways, but at least progressives and liberals would have been united against their signature drone strikes and bankster bailouts. Possibly, Democrats and Republicans have outlived their usefulness to the political process in the US?

 

[TooTall]

1. The strike is not designed to target ANY of the chemical stockpiles.

2. The strike is not designed to overthrow Assad.

3. There will be more than enough military targets to hit once the cruise missiles are flying. The Syrian military is engaged in the middle of a war. Many of the things the rebels can hit, can also be hit with U.S. Cruise Missiles.

Then what the hell, EXACTLY, is it designed to do? Kill civilians? The "stockpiles" as well as the "Army" will most likely move to schools, hospitals and the like. Civilians will be moved into positions of the likely "strikes" and then video cameras will cover the slaughter.

Gee,you really are uneducated about these people, aren't you? you MUST be a politician.

There are things like Fuel storage facilities, aircraft, aircraft hangers, helicopters, artillery, main battle tanks, armored personal carriers, military check points, frontline military positions adjacent to rebel held areas, oil and natural gas facilities, electricity facilities, military barracks, communications networks, government buildings etc.

There are plenty of targets to hit besides chemical stockpiles.

You left out schools, mosques, hospitals and populated urban areas where they have moved the rocket launchers that deliver poison gas. Or wasn't crippling their ability to use poison gas the stated purpose of this "shot across the bow."

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Well, to address your complaint, Bush and company talked about WMD without any evidence to back up their claims. At least the Obama team has evidence. It's just not directly tied to one side or the other at this point.

Then why in the f*ck are we picking a side? I don't give a f*ck about what Bush did this concerns only one *sshole currently in charge and that person is little obie mompants.

So we're going to start a war because little obie mompants riding a bike with a helmet and pretty much looking like a pussie is all butt hurt his mouth wrote some alligator checks his little pussie *ss can't cash. And it's going to fall on our military people to cover for this *sshole?

You don't know what side is responsible all you know is your president looks like a f*cking **** and you will do anything to make that go away. Even if you help our enemies in the process.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yes, I saw the Obama speech today, as well, and was appalled.

Sounded more like a schoolboy setting the stage so that HE would not get blamed when the shit hits the fan.

And I voted for the guy twice - because I thought that both McSame and Mittens would be even worse.

I may have been mistaken.

I remember voting for Richard Nixon (the first time) because I was in the Army and he supported the military. When he ran the second time, I literally BEGGED my folks NOT to vote for the man and (shamefully) I was overseas and didn't vote.

I distinctly remember how crappy I felt when Watergate was exposed. No one was killed, no one was hurt, some guys just broke into an office at the DNC. It brought the crook down and I was glad it did.

Believe me, I know how you feel...............

 

[Soulless65]

Yes, I saw the Obama speech today, as well, and was appalled.

Sounded more like a schoolboy setting the stage so that HE would not get blamed when the shit hits the fan.

And I voted for the guy twice - because I thought that both McSame and Mittens would be even worse.

I may have been mistaken.

I remember voting for Richard Nixon (the first time) because I was in the Army and he supported the military. When he ran the second time, I literally BEGGED my folks NOT to vote for the man and (shamefully) I was overseas and didn't vote.

I distinctly remember how crappy I felt when Watergate was exposed. No one was killed, no one was hurt, some guys just broke into an office at the DNC. It brought the crook down and I was glad it did.

Believe me, I know how you feel...............

And what is our solution to this is it keep voting D's or R's, or this country finally sees the light and realizes how both parties Fucked this place up and start voting people in with one goal in mind to help the american people. But I really doubt it though

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yes, I saw the Obama speech today, as well, and was appalled.

Sounded more like a schoolboy setting the stage so that HE would not get blamed when the shit hits the fan.

And I voted for the guy twice - because I thought that both McSame and Mittens would be even worse.

I may have been mistaken.

I remember voting for Richard Nixon (the first time) because I was in the Army and he supported the military. When he ran the second time, I literally BEGGED my folks NOT to vote for the man and (shamefully) I was overseas and didn't vote.

I distinctly remember how crappy I felt when Watergate was exposed. No one was killed, no one was hurt, some guys just broke into an office at the DNC. It brought the crook down and I was glad it did.

Believe me, I know how you feel...............

And what is our solution to this is it keep voting D's or R's, or this country finally sees the light and realizes how both parties Fucked this place up and start voting people in with one goal in mind to help the american people. But I really doubt it though

The solution? I used to believe that a viable third party was an option. It is not. The "powers that be" on both the (D) and the (R) side will never allow it.

Look, it's not really about what is "best" for America. These clowns that we send to Washington - who take up residence and never leave - couldn't care less about what is "best" for the American people. They merely seek power for themselves. Hell, truth be told, they don't give a damn about "party". They care about one thing and one thing only - themselves.

These same "politicians" refuse to allow term limits. They refuse to allow a third party. They mask their "work" (and I use that term very loosely) in such legalese detail that the majority of Americans don't have the remotest idea what the hell they even do.

You have people "serving" in DC that haven't worked in their districts for 30-40 years. They maintain a home that they never go to. They have offices in their home districts that they RARELY visit. Politics is nothing more than a giant shell-game whose participants KNOW that they are screwing the populace and laugh about it at their K Street cocktail parties.

Some, Harry Reid for example, went to Washington DC with a net worth of $85,000. Today, he is worth somewhere in the neighborhood (he won't say exactly) of 18 million dollars. Same with Pelosi. Same with McCain. Hell I could go on for an hour.

This was NEVER how our founding Fathers envisioned it. Represenatives were to travel back and forth to DC - never taking up residence there. Now, these same "servants" live lavish lifestyles, own 3 - 4 homes, take vacations that most of us would die for, and continue on their merry way - laughing all the way to the bank.

WE are not employing them as "servants of the people" they are the "Masters and WE are the Servants" and they will NEVER dilute the "pool" by adding another party. Won't happen.

The solution? There is none. WE THE PEOPLE have done this to ourselves.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

This is the most important fact.

12 Very Good Reasons Why America Should Stay Out of Syria | Alternet

Three, an attack on Syria would also be a violation of international law since Syria has not attacked the US. Like Bush, Obama has decided to bypass the UNSC. In fact, on a number of occasions in the last three decades, the US has, without going through the UNSC, invaded other sovereign states. ...

Six, indeed the US is guilty of fabricating various false flag operations since it emerged as a colonial power at the end of the nineteenth century. From the battleship Maine incident in Havana in 1898 to the Gulf of Tonkin episode in 1964 to the Kuwait incubator event in 1990 to the Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) myth in Iraq in 2003, US intelligence and security outfits have become adept at creating situations and circumstances which are then manipulated to undermine ‘the enemy.’ ...

Eleven, needless to say, sectarian clashes in WANA benefit Israel which views turmoil and upheaval in its neighbourhood as a boon to its goal of remaining the dominant force in the region. For the Israeli elite, the ability of their nation to perpetuate its dominance is sine qua non for the security of the state which is their primary obsession. It is significant that Israel and Zionism have been able to ensure that US and Western policy as a whole in WANA is dovetailed to meet the core interests of the Israeli state. Taking military action against Syria with the objective of overthrowing Bashar is what Israel wants because Bashar is an important link in the axis of resistance to Israeli dominance which includes Iran and Hezbollah. Israel has conducted three air strikes within Syria in the last six months and its commandos have been training segments of the armed opposition. It is believed that the so-called ‘independent’ intelligence on the 21 August chemical weapons incident that is being hawked around by the US and Britain is actually from Israel. In this regard, it is worth reiterating that Israel is the hidden hand in much of the politics of other states in WANA such as Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Sudan.

 

[Redfish]

Yeah, the conservative reluctance to embrace the latest chapter in shock and awe is perplexing. Think they've been reading any Chris Hedges books where perpetual war is the topic? Probably not.

At any rate, I'm not advocating an attack. Personally, despite evidence of a chemical attack, I haven't seen or heard any evidence which pins the tail of responsibility on the Assad donkey. Additionally, why are the last 1,400 deaths so outrageous compared to the first 100,000 deaths? Or am I supposed to believe death by light and heavy armaments is kinda okay, but chemical attacks are verboten, like wearing brown shoes with a blue suit?

I think we agree, but what amazes me is the support for this lunatic attack from the left. are they so up obama's butt that they can't think clearly?

No doubt our arms industry supports the attack since cruise missiles cost somewhere in the range of a million dollars apiece. The whole smart bomb business depends on weapons being used to get repeat orders.

so are you saying that obama is a ***** to the defense industry?

 

[Redfish]

Just heard that the Saudi's have agreed to "finance" the operation in Syria. My, My, My...what does that make us?

I guess it's true, we ARE Saudi Arabia's "*****". Just keep collecting those petro dollars.....

I'll say it once again for the cheap seats: This thing STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!!!

any war in the mid east will raise oil prices, the saudis will get their money back very quickly.

 

[Redfish]

Then conservatives will have new war porn instead of just replaying those Fox News "Shock & Awe" reruns from March of 2003.

It looks like it's you Communist hypocrites calling for war, not the conservatives.

Apparently war is bad, if the President has an "R" behind his name - but if he is Obama - then war is the greatest good.

As I've always said, there is no hypocrisy like demopocrisy....

Well, to address your complaint, Bush and company talked about WMD without any evidence to back up their claims. At least the Obama team has evidence. It's just not directly tied to one side or the other at this point.

as it turns out, the WMDs from Iraq are now being used in Syria--------so Bush, the UN, and the rest of the world were right about Saddam having WMDs. Hmmmmmmm?

 

[Redfish]

1. The strike is not designed to target ANY of the chemical stockpiles.

2. The strike is not designed to overthrow Assad.

3. There will be more than enough military targets to hit once the cruise missiles are flying. The Syrian military is engaged in the middle of a war. Many of the things the rebels can hit, can also be hit with U.S. Cruise Missiles.

Then what the hell, EXACTLY, is it designed to do? Kill civilians? The "stockpiles" as well as the "Army" will most likely move to schools, hospitals and the like. Civilians will be moved into positions of the likely "strikes" and then video cameras will cover the slaughter.

Gee,you really are uneducated about these people, aren't you? you MUST be a politician.

There are things like Fuel storage facilities, aircraft, aircraft hangers, helicopters, artillery, main battle tanks, armored personal carriers, military check points, frontline military positions adjacent to rebel held areas, oil and natural gas facilities, electricity facilities, military barracks, communications networks, government buildings etc.

There are plenty of targets to hit besides chemical stockpiles.

and we will kill hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians. For what? So obozo can save face?

 

[Redfish]

Yes, I saw the Obama speech today, as well, and was appalled.

Sounded more like a schoolboy setting the stage so that HE would not get blamed when the shit hits the fan.

And I voted for the guy twice - because I thought that both McSame and Mittens would be even worse.

I may have been mistaken.

FWIW, I don't think you were.
McCain and Mitt would have performed similarly to Obama in many ways, but at least progressives and liberals would have been united against their signature drone strikes and bankster bailouts. Possibly, Democrats and Republicans have outlived their usefulness to the political process in the US?

of course we will never know what McCain or Romney would do. But based on what they have said: McCain would have us in a full scale war with Iran by now with Russia siding with Iran and the US spending billions in a no-win situation.
Romney would have sat down with Putin and said "this is in your part of the world, you fix it".

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes, I saw the Obama speech today, as well, and was appalled.

Sounded more like a schoolboy setting the stage so that HE would not get blamed when the shit hits the fan.

And I voted for the guy twice - because I thought that both McSame and Mittens would be even worse.

I may have been mistaken.

FWIW, I don't think you were.
McCain and Mitt would have performed similarly to Obama in many ways, but at least progressives and liberals would have been united against their signature drone strikes and bankster bailouts. Possibly, Democrats and Republicans have outlived their usefulness to the political process in the US?

of course we will never know what McCain or Romney would do. But based on what they have said: McCain would have us in a full scale war with Iran by now with Russia siding with Iran and the US spending billions in a no-win situation.
Romney would have sat down with Putin and said "this is in your part of the world, you fix it".

That's nonsense. If you believe that, you clearly do not understand what is going on right now regarding Syria. This isn't a US call to make. This is about geopolitics of the region. We're involved because our allies requested it and have probably offered some rather nice deals for contracts should we comes through with regime change.

What you're seeing in western politics (our govt.) is a terrible poker hand on their part. They do not have the capability to execute a regime change with the same level of tact (if thats what you want to call it) as a former Bush and his army of neocon chickenhawks.

Romney would back McCain on a full scale war I would bet my last dollar on it.

 

[paulitician]

Gee, how convenient. Assad has become the Chemical Weapons Boogeyman they desperately wanted him to be. Way too convenient if you ask me. I'm not buying our Government's story on this.

It is way too convient. Obama's handlers need a reason to reason to "justify" actions that would otherwise be widely opposed.

Without the lie about "chemical weapons" (an invented problem), they would never have been able to sell the 'solution' - a military strike on Syria.

Just like when GWB was prez, without the lie about "weapons of mass destruction" (an invented problem), they would never have been able to sell the 'solution' - an invasion of Iraq.

Basically it's the same routine, different location.

Yeah, ole Assad sure did play along perfectly huh? Their story falls apart under closer scrutiny.

 

[Redfish]

I remember voting for Richard Nixon (the first time) because I was in the Army and he supported the military. When he ran the second time, I literally BEGGED my folks NOT to vote for the man and (shamefully) I was overseas and didn't vote.

I distinctly remember how crappy I felt when Watergate was exposed. No one was killed, no one was hurt, some guys just broke into an office at the DNC. It brought the crook down and I was glad it did.

Believe me, I know how you feel...............

And what is our solution to this is it keep voting D's or R's, or this country finally sees the light and realizes how both parties Fucked this place up and start voting people in with one goal in mind to help the american people. But I really doubt it though

The solution? I used to believe that a viable third party was an option. It is not. The "powers that be" on both the (D) and the (R) side will never allow it.

Look, it's not really about what is "best" for America. These clowns that we send to Washington - who take up residence and never leave - couldn't care less about what is "best" for the American people. They merely seek power for themselves. Hell, truth be told, they don't give a damn about "party". They care about one thing and one thing only - themselves.

These same "politicians" refuse to allow term limits. They refuse to allow a third party. They mask their "work" (and I use that term very loosely) in such legalese detail that the majority of Americans don't have the remotest idea what the hell they even do.

You have people "serving" in DC that haven't worked in their districts for 30-40 years. They maintain a home that they never go to. They have offices in their home districts that they RARELY visit. Politics is nothing more than a giant shell-game whose participants KNOW that they are screwing the populace and laugh about it at their K Street cocktail parties.

Some, Harry Reid for example, went to Washington DC with a net worth of $85,000. Today, he is worth somewhere in the neighborhood (he won't say exactly) of 18 million dollars. Same with Pelosi. Same with McCain. Hell I could go on for an hour.

This was NEVER how our founding Fathers envisioned it. Represenatives were to travel back and forth to DC - never taking up residence there. Now, these same "servants" live lavish lifestyles, own 3 - 4 homes, take vacations that most of us would die for, and continue on their merry way - laughing all the way to the bank.

WE are not employing them as "servants of the people" they are the "Masters and WE are the Servants" and they will NEVER dilute the "pool" by adding another party. Won't happen.

The solution? There is none. WE THE PEOPLE have done this to ourselves.

there is one possible solution--------TERM LIMITS. Take away the lifetime careers in congress. McCain and Kerry are two perfect examples for term limits.

two 6 year terms for senate and three 2 year terms for congress.

And, cut congressional pay by half, cut staff budgets by half, eliminate congressional retirement plans and insurance plans.

serving in congress should be a temporary sacrifice for your country---not a lucrative lifetime "career".

 

[paulitician]

let's see if Congress comes even close to reflecting the views of the American people on this issue.

I doubt it.

they are beholden to their donors, not their voters.

....until a few months before the election.

I'm not optimistic. When's the last time our U.S. Congress voted 'No' on War? If they would debate an official Declaration of War, we would probably not go to War with Syria. But instead they'll grant the President the authority to bomb & kill once again. Same ole same ole.