Waitress Tipping: A math question for leftys

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They actually do have benefits and an amazing owner who knows how to keep an employee.

That's nice, but you are presenting anomalous examples. You really are not making your point, because all the data stands against your implication that the situation you describe is anywhere near the norm.

I said it wasn't the norm. Simply finishing my story about ONE restaurant and bar.
Don't think there's much space between us on this one.

If it is not the norm, why are you posting it here? Do you jump into threads about cancer research and say, "Bullocks, we don't need this, I know a guy that survived cancer"....?

And if you did that, what reaction would you expect?

 

[hadit]

Shouldn't they have the choice?

Paying them a living wage doesn't mean you can't tip them.for doing an exceptional job.

That just means you'll be paying 20% more for even lousy service.

Do you get a discount anywhere else for lousy service? No, you just don't go back. Or you complain. Or neither.

With a higher MW, you'll pay more everywhere, whether the service is good or not.

So? I'll make more money, as more people will be able to participate in the economy.

Hmm, let's see. More money chasing the same amount of goods. Where does that lead? Remember, there are more jobs than people to work them, so production is not likely to significantly increase rapidly.

 

[2aguy]

I saw "Waitress Tipping" and I thought this was gonna be a thread about high school kids pushing waitresses over in the middle of the night.

I would have laughed at that post but you posted it, you are a doofus, so it detracts from the humor....

 

[boedicca]

The real reasons Lefties want wait staff to be paid minimum wage instead of relying on tips:

1. They are terrified that some of that cash might not be taxed.
2. They are cheapskate lousy tippers.
3. They are themselves wait staff and don't trust their other Lefty coworkers not to steal all of the money out of the tip jar (i.e. the Socialist Chick in the $3,500 pantsuit).

 

[percysunshine]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?


Was reading this story and these two quotes stood out..

Why its better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage than argue over tips - MarketWatch



Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.



Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.



Why it’s better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage (than argue over tips)
By Kari Paul
Published: Sep 12, 2018 5:05 pm ET
A new analysis finds Washington, D.C. and other cities may benefit from eliminating tips

Waitresses are overworked and depressed, studies show.
Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.

After San Francisco and Seattle enacted a $15 minimum wage for all workers, employees in the restaurant industry saw improvements, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute released on Wednesday. The study compared those two cities to Washington D.C., where a similar policy has been proposed. It found Washington, D.C. and other cities would benefit from a “one fair wage policy.”

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

Don’t miss: If you can’t afford to tip 20%, should you go to a different restaurant?

The D.C. Council is considering overturning Initiative 77, a measure passed in June that would gradually raise D.C.’s tipped minimum wage over eight years until it’s equal to the federal minimum wage in 2026, under pressure from the restaurant industry.

The National Restaurant Association and the Metropolitan Washington Area Restaurant Association have arguedraising the minimum wage for restaurant workers would lead to layoffs, closures, and a decrease in pay to employees due to a decline in tipping from customers. “We believe that this initiative would deal a huge blow to our local industry and would make it more difficult to build and sustain the kinds of safe and professional work environments we believe should be the standard,” a “Vote No 77” campaign launched by Washington, D.C. bar owners said.

Come on, a math question for lefties?

That is just mean.

 

[Pogo]

I saw "Waitress Tipping" and I thought this was gonna be a thread about high school kids pushing waitresses over in the middle of the night.

I would have laughed at that post but you posted it, you are a doofus, so it detracts from the humor....

It's good to know you're so wrapped up in your own mental constipation that you so restrict yourself.

Not that I didn't already know that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

More money chasing the same amount of goods.

False, of course. Production would increase, if demand increases. New restaurants open. New retail outlets open. Carmakers make more cars.

 

[hadit]

More money chasing the same amount of goods.

False, of course. Production would increase, if demand increases. New restaurants open. New retail outlets open. Carmakers make more cars.

We're already at nearly full employment. Where are the extra workers coming from, India?

 

[miketx]

We rarely eat out anymore because service is just not as good as it used to be. Food cold, not what we ordered, dirty store, etc.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

More money chasing the same amount of goods.

False, of course. Production would increase, if demand increases. New restaurants open. New retail outlets open. Carmakers make more cars.

We're already at nearly full employment. Where are the extra workers coming from, India?

But many are underemployed. They can get better employment. We could also use the Republican tactic of granting amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

Um...you do realize we have raised minimum wage many times, right? How ever did we survive...

 

[hadit]

More money chasing the same amount of goods.

False, of course. Production would increase, if demand increases. New restaurants open. New retail outlets open. Carmakers make more cars.

We're already at nearly full employment. Where are the extra workers coming from, India?

But many are underemployed. They can get better employment. We could also use the Republican tactic of granting amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

Um...you do realize we have raised minimum wage many times, right? How ever did we survive...

By keeping it low enough that it really doesn't make much difference. Doubling it, however, would impact well over half the work force. Some 60% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. Think somebody making $19/hr is going to be happy when all of a sudden he's only making a few bucks over minimum?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

More money chasing the same amount of goods.

False, of course. Production would increase, if demand increases. New restaurants open. New retail outlets open. Carmakers make more cars.

We're already at nearly full employment. Where are the extra workers coming from, India?

But many are underemployed. They can get better employment. We could also use the Republican tactic of granting amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

Um...you do realize we have raised minimum wage many times, right? How ever did we survive...

By keeping it low enough that it really doesn't make much difference. Doubling it, however, would impact well over half the work force. Some 60% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. Think somebody making $19/hr is going to be happy when all of a sudden he's only making a few bucks over minimum?

The person making 19/hr would very soon be making more. And if he is not happy, he can seek other employment. Did you already forget your own declarations of full employment? And if someone making 19/hr is not happy making 19/hr, he should do something NOW. But our corporatist government has all but eliminated organized labor power.

And I can understand fears of a quick hike. This sort of increase would be graduated over , say, 10 years.

 

[hadit]

More money chasing the same amount of goods.

False, of course. Production would increase, if demand increases. New restaurants open. New retail outlets open. Carmakers make more cars.

We're already at nearly full employment. Where are the extra workers coming from, India?

But many are underemployed. They can get better employment. We could also use the Republican tactic of granting amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

Um...you do realize we have raised minimum wage many times, right? How ever did we survive...

By keeping it low enough that it really doesn't make much difference. Doubling it, however, would impact well over half the work force. Some 60% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. Think somebody making $19/hr is going to be happy when all of a sudden he's only making a few bucks over minimum?

The person making 19/hr would very soon be making more. And if he is not happy, he can seek other employment. Did you already forget your own declarations of full employment? And if someone making 19/hr is not happy making 19/hr, he should do something NOW. But our corporatist government has all but eliminated organized labor power.

And I can understand fears of a quick hike. This sort of increase would be graduated over , say, 10 years.

And kept below the rate of inflation.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

False, of course. Production would increase, if demand increases. New restaurants open. New retail outlets open. Carmakers make more cars.

We're already at nearly full employment. Where are the extra workers coming from, India?

But many are underemployed. They can get better employment. We could also use the Republican tactic of granting amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

Um...you do realize we have raised minimum wage many times, right? How ever did we survive...

By keeping it low enough that it really doesn't make much difference. Doubling it, however, would impact well over half the work force. Some 60% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. Think somebody making $19/hr is going to be happy when all of a sudden he's only making a few bucks over minimum?

The person making 19/hr would very soon be making more. And if he is not happy, he can seek other employment. Did you already forget your own declarations of full employment? And if someone making 19/hr is not happy making 19/hr, he should do something NOW. But our corporatist government has all but eliminated organized labor power.

And I can understand fears of a quick hike. This sort of increase would be graduated over , say, 10 years.

And kept below the rate of inflation.

And current minimum wage has lost about 10% of it's purchasing power to inflation, since instituted.

 

[hadit]

We're already at nearly full employment. Where are the extra workers coming from, India?

But many are underemployed. They can get better employment. We could also use the Republican tactic of granting amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

Um...you do realize we have raised minimum wage many times, right? How ever did we survive...

By keeping it low enough that it really doesn't make much difference. Doubling it, however, would impact well over half the work force. Some 60% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. Think somebody making $19/hr is going to be happy when all of a sudden he's only making a few bucks over minimum?

The person making 19/hr would very soon be making more. And if he is not happy, he can seek other employment. Did you already forget your own declarations of full employment? And if someone making 19/hr is not happy making 19/hr, he should do something NOW. But our corporatist government has all but eliminated organized labor power.

And I can understand fears of a quick hike. This sort of increase would be graduated over , say, 10 years.

And kept below the rate of inflation.

And current minimum wage has lost about 10% of it's purchasing power to inflation, since instituted.

And it could go up, but doubling it would not be good.