Waitress Tipping: A math question for leftys

[Hiryuu]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?


Was reading this story and these two quotes stood out..

Why its better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage than argue over tips - MarketWatch



Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.



Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.



Why it’s better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage (than argue over tips)
By Kari Paul
Published: Sep 12, 2018 5:05 pm ET
A new analysis finds Washington, D.C. and other cities may benefit from eliminating tips

Waitresses are overworked and depressed, studies show.
Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.

After San Francisco and Seattle enacted a $15 minimum wage for all workers, employees in the restaurant industry saw improvements, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute released on Wednesday. The study compared those two cities to Washington D.C., where a similar policy has been proposed. It found Washington, D.C. and other cities would benefit from a “one fair wage policy.”

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

Don’t miss: If you can’t afford to tip 20%, should you go to a different restaurant?

The D.C. Council is considering overturning Initiative 77, a measure passed in June that would gradually raise D.C.’s tipped minimum wage over eight years until it’s equal to the federal minimum wage in 2026, under pressure from the restaurant industry.

The National Restaurant Association and the Metropolitan Washington Area Restaurant Association have arguedraising the minimum wage for restaurant workers would lead to layoffs, closures, and a decrease in pay to employees due to a decline in tipping from customers. “We believe that this initiative would deal a huge blow to our local industry and would make it more difficult to build and sustain the kinds of safe and professional work environments we believe should be the standard,” a “Vote No 77” campaign launched by Washington, D.C. bar owners said.

Anyone who thinks tips should be replaced by minimum wage, either sucks at earning tips, or hasn't worked waiting tables/tending bar.

 

[hadit]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?


Was reading this story and these two quotes stood out..

Why its better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage than argue over tips - MarketWatch



Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.



Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.



Why it’s better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage (than argue over tips)
By Kari Paul
Published: Sep 12, 2018 5:05 pm ET
A new analysis finds Washington, D.C. and other cities may benefit from eliminating tips

Waitresses are overworked and depressed, studies show.
Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.

After San Francisco and Seattle enacted a $15 minimum wage for all workers, employees in the restaurant industry saw improvements, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute released on Wednesday. The study compared those two cities to Washington D.C., where a similar policy has been proposed. It found Washington, D.C. and other cities would benefit from a “one fair wage policy.”

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

Don’t miss: If you can’t afford to tip 20%, should you go to a different restaurant?

The D.C. Council is considering overturning Initiative 77, a measure passed in June that would gradually raise D.C.’s tipped minimum wage over eight years until it’s equal to the federal minimum wage in 2026, under pressure from the restaurant industry.

The National Restaurant Association and the Metropolitan Washington Area Restaurant Association have arguedraising the minimum wage for restaurant workers would lead to layoffs, closures, and a decrease in pay to employees due to a decline in tipping from customers. “We believe that this initiative would deal a huge blow to our local industry and would make it more difficult to build and sustain the kinds of safe and professional work environments we believe should be the standard,” a “Vote No 77” campaign launched by Washington, D.C. bar owners said.

I can't tell from.your OP which side of the issue you are on.

Personally I believe they would be better off getting paid a living hourly wage.

But do THEY think that? Their opinion matters.

It comes down to this choice:

Do I want a job situation where I make a regular, mediocre income no matter how I work or one where I can make a lot more if I bust my butt and provide superior service? The American choice has usually been the latter.

At my age and situation none of my friends or family are waiters anymore, but when I was younger there were many, and I clearly remember several of them mentioning how much they hated depending on tips for a living.

Besides, paying them a living wage doesn't me you can't tip them a bit if they do an exceptional job now does it?

Shouldn't they have the choice?

Paying them a living wage doesn't mean you can't tip them.for doing an exceptional job.

That just means you'll be paying 20% more for even lousy service.

 

[Wyatt earp]

When I co-owned a restauarant, we paid our servers about 3x the server minimum wage. It was worth every penny. We had better people who stayed longer and were more reliable, and it made the restaurant a desirable place to work. Our servers were happier and more financially secure, as their paychecks were actually enough to cover their taxes (many if not most servers get served with a tax bill every year, at current hourly wages). This only raised our labor costs overall by about 6%, easily rolled into menu prices. This may be a luxury that chain restaurants cannot afford, when competing with other chains not doing this.

So you paid them what $6.39 an hour??? Did you not encourage tips?

$6 to start, with raises later. And tips were encouraged.

You

When I co-owned a restauarant, we paid our servers about 3x the server minimum wage. It was worth every penny. We had better people who stayed longer and were more reliable, and it made the restaurant a desirable place to work. Our servers were happier and more financially secure, as their paychecks were actually enough to cover their taxes (many if not most servers get served with a tax bill every year, at current hourly wages). This only raised our labor costs overall by about 6%, easily rolled into menu prices. This may be a luxury that chain restaurants cannot afford, when competing with other chains not doing this.

So you paid them what $6.39 an hour??? Did you not encourage tips?

$6 to start, with raises later. And tips were encouraged.

You must have had the same employees for a long time..


Another question, what were your profits? ( Note not setting you up, just curious)

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I can't tell from.your OP which side of the issue you are on.

Personally I believe they would be better off getting paid a living hourly wage.

But do THEY think that? Their opinion matters.

It comes down to this choice:

Do I want a job situation where I make a regular, mediocre income no matter how I work or one where I can make a lot more if I bust my butt and provide superior service? The American choice has usually been the latter.

At my age and situation none of my friends or family are waiters anymore, but when I was younger there were many, and I clearly remember several of them mentioning how much they hated depending on tips for a living.

Besides, paying them a living wage doesn't me you can't tip them a bit if they do an exceptional job now does it?

Shouldn't they have the choice?

Paying them a living wage doesn't mean you can't tip them.for doing an exceptional job.

That just means you'll be paying 20% more for even lousy service.

Do you get a discount anywhere else for lousy service? No, you just don't go back. Or you complain. Or neither.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You must have had the same employees for a long time..

You know,not really. We mostly hired younger college students, it was a perfect job for them. Most moved on. I was in on it for about 8 years, and it turned over completely a few times. The cooks stayed longer.

Another question, what were your profits? ( Note not setting you up, just curious)

Good, really. We always stayed at 10% or higher, give or take. Had a few amazing years near 20%. This is a good restaurant town, but there are a lot restaurants. The place has changed names, but it is still open. You always get that opening wave (if you market well), but keeping a solid base after that is the trick.

 

[hadit]

But do THEY think that? Their opinion matters.

It comes down to this choice:

Do I want a job situation where I make a regular, mediocre income no matter how I work or one where I can make a lot more if I bust my butt and provide superior service? The American choice has usually been the latter.

At my age and situation none of my friends or family are waiters anymore, but when I was younger there were many, and I clearly remember several of them mentioning how much they hated depending on tips for a living.

Besides, paying them a living wage doesn't me you can't tip them a bit if they do an exceptional job now does it?

Shouldn't they have the choice?

Paying them a living wage doesn't mean you can't tip them.for doing an exceptional job.

That just means you'll be paying 20% more for even lousy service.

Do you get a discount anywhere else for lousy service? No, you just don't go back. Or you complain. Or neither.

With a higher MW, you'll pay more everywhere, whether the service is good or not.

 

[DrLove]

I do know a bartender at the Boise restaurant who told me he's making 2-3 hundred on average.

So, with slow nights and time off...what, maybe $40K/yr with zero benefits? Not exactly the high life. He must enjoy that lifestyle.

They actually do have benefits and an amazing owner who knows how to keep an employee. The place burned down a few years ago and it took over a year to rebuild. The entire staff was paid throughout that period because he wanted them back. He also didn't prevent them from working other jobs. They did sign a contract that they WOULD come back after the reboot. Barbacoa and its owner are of course the exception and not the rule.

 

[grainbely]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?


Was reading this story and these two quotes stood out..

Why its better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage than argue over tips - MarketWatch



Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.



Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.



Why it’s better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage (than argue over tips)
By Kari Paul
Published: Sep 12, 2018 5:05 pm ET
A new analysis finds Washington, D.C. and other cities may benefit from eliminating tips

Waitresses are overworked and depressed, studies show.
Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.

After San Francisco and Seattle enacted a $15 minimum wage for all workers, employees in the restaurant industry saw improvements, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute released on Wednesday. The study compared those two cities to Washington D.C., where a similar policy has been proposed. It found Washington, D.C. and other cities would benefit from a “one fair wage policy.”

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

Don’t miss: If you can’t afford to tip 20%, should you go to a different restaurant?

The D.C. Council is considering overturning Initiative 77, a measure passed in June that would gradually raise D.C.’s tipped minimum wage over eight years until it’s equal to the federal minimum wage in 2026, under pressure from the restaurant industry.

The National Restaurant Association and the Metropolitan Washington Area Restaurant Association have arguedraising the minimum wage for restaurant workers would lead to layoffs, closures, and a decrease in pay to employees due to a decline in tipping from customers. “We believe that this initiative would deal a huge blow to our local industry and would make it more difficult to build and sustain the kinds of safe and professional work environments we believe should be the standard,” a “Vote No 77” campaign launched by Washington, D.C. bar owners said.

Tipping is a lame archaic practice. Businesses should train and pay their staff to operate at an expected level and of they dont they are canned. The business can decide to pay an amazing and attractive waitress more if they know she will bring in more customers. It's how every other business works.

 

[candycorn]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?


Was reading this story and these two quotes stood out..

Why its better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage than argue over tips - MarketWatch



Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.



Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.



Why it’s better to give restaurant workers the minimum wage (than argue over tips)
By Kari Paul
Published: Sep 12, 2018 5:05 pm ET
A new analysis finds Washington, D.C. and other cities may benefit from eliminating tips

Waitresses are overworked and depressed, studies show.
Does eliminating tips help wait staff? Not really, but a new report argues that the emphasis should be on giving restaurant workers the minimum wage.

After San Francisco and Seattle enacted a $15 minimum wage for all workers, employees in the restaurant industry saw improvements, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute released on Wednesday. The study compared those two cities to Washington D.C., where a similar policy has been proposed. It found Washington, D.C. and other cities would benefit from a “one fair wage policy.”

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

Don’t miss: If you can’t afford to tip 20%, should you go to a different restaurant?

The D.C. Council is considering overturning Initiative 77, a measure passed in June that would gradually raise D.C.’s tipped minimum wage over eight years until it’s equal to the federal minimum wage in 2026, under pressure from the restaurant industry.

The National Restaurant Association and the Metropolitan Washington Area Restaurant Association have arguedraising the minimum wage for restaurant workers would lead to layoffs, closures, and a decrease in pay to employees due to a decline in tipping from customers. “We believe that this initiative would deal a huge blow to our local industry and would make it more difficult to build and sustain the kinds of safe and professional work environments we believe should be the standard,” a “Vote No 77” campaign launched by Washington, D.C. bar owners said.

I’ve always wondered why the tipping policy isn’t posted on the door right next to the hours the place is open. I have no problem tipping the max for great service. What I do not like is that the tips I give Jane are often pooled with the other waitress Joan. I have no idea what type of job Joan did. If, by tip pooling, the manager is making the implied statement that service across the staff is the same then they should not expect the public to subsidize the wages of their workers. Tipping should be done to reward fantastic service. Period.

PS: go to Carnival or Royal Caribbean’s website and look at their gratuities they tack on to the outrageous prices they have for some cruises.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Minimum wage does not usually apply to waiters
Why not let them decide?

Personally, I would rather they be paid a decent wage and not rely on me to subsidize their pay

And here is the problem. Who do you think is pay I g for their pay raise?
Answer. YOU ARE

I don’t care which pocket the money comes from

As a bill that I am expected to add a tip to or a bill that includes the charge for service

You would make a lousy waiter.

 

[sartre play]

Tip for service, the government getting into counting tips as part of pay bad deal.

 

[g5000]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?

I've never heard of a waitress making $400 a night in tips.

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

The key words there are "paid the regular minimum wage". In some states, waitresses are paid well below the minimum wage and are supposed to make up the difference in tips.

Mississippi, for example.

 

[g5000]

Mississippi Laws for Tipped Employees

Because Mississippi doesn’t have its own tip and wage laws, Mississippi employers must follow the federal tip credit rules. This means that Mississippi employers can pay as little as $2.13 an hour, as long as the employee earns enough in tips to add up to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. However, if you don’t earn at least $5.12 an hour in tips, your employer must pay you the difference.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?

I've never heard of a waitress making $400 a night in tips.

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

The key words there are "paid the regular minimum wage". In some states, waitresses are paid well below the minimum wage and are supposed to make up the difference in tips.

Mississippi, for example.

And you never been to a restaurant other then Burger King.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?

I've never heard of a waitress making $400 a night in tips.

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

The key words there are "paid the regular minimum wage". In some states, waitresses are paid well below the minimum wage and are supposed to make up the difference in tips.

Mississippi, for example.

And they do make up the difference and more the good ones...


.

 

[g5000]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?

I've never heard of a waitress making $400 a night in tips.

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

The key words there are "paid the regular minimum wage". In some states, waitresses are paid well below the minimum wage and are supposed to make up the difference in tips.

Mississippi, for example.

And they do make up the difference and more the good ones...


.

Mississippi waitresses are starting more than five bucks an hour behind the waitresses in other states.

 

[g5000]

Who makes more, A great waitress making $400 bucks in tips a night, or a waitress being paid a minimum wage of say $15 bucks an hour no tips allowed?

I've never heard of a waitress making $400 a night in tips.

Tipped workers are unambiguously better off in cities where tipped workers are paid the regular minimum wage, regardless of tips,” said David Cooper, senior economic analyst at the Economic Policy Institute.

The key words there are "paid the regular minimum wage". In some states, waitresses are paid well below the minimum wage and are supposed to make up the difference in tips.

Mississippi, for example.

And you never been to a restaurant other then Burger King.

Ask the next server you see what her average tips are each day, retard. Not per week. Per day.

You are clueless.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

At my age and situation none of my friends or family are waiters anymore, but when I was younger there were many, and I clearly remember several of them mentioning how much they hated depending on tips for a living.

Besides, paying them a living wage doesn't me you can't tip them a bit if they do an exceptional job now does it?

Shouldn't they have the choice?

Paying them a living wage doesn't mean you can't tip them.for doing an exceptional job.

That just means you'll be paying 20% more for even lousy service.

Do you get a discount anywhere else for lousy service? No, you just don't go back. Or you complain. Or neither.

With a higher MW, you'll pay more everywhere, whether the service is good or not.

So? I'll make more money, as more people will be able to participate in the economy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They actually do have benefits and an amazing owner who knows how to keep an employee.

That's nice, but you are presenting anomalous examples. You really are not making your point, because all the data stands against your implication that the situation you describe is anywhere near the norm.

 

[DrLove]

They actually do have benefits and an amazing owner who knows how to keep an employee.

That's nice, but you are presenting anomalous examples. You really are not making your point, because all the data stands against your implication that the situation you describe is anywhere near the norm.

I said it wasn't the norm. Simply finishing my story about ONE restaurant and bar.
Don't think there's much space between us on this one.