Wages based on Production/Results

[Sonny Clark]

You'll have to ask the ones that hire assholes. Maybe assholes like to hire assholes. There could be many reasons. Oh, and it's not simple. Assholes could be very good at their job. Assholes could be making the company a lot of money. The possibilities are endless. There's no "one" answer that would fit all circumstances and situations. You'll have to refine your question, and post it in such a way that could be explained in a simple way. Your question is way too broad to be answered in a way that would cover every circumstance and situation. I gave you the basic information that explains today's work and employment environment. Now, post something that can be answered in a way that can be explained in a simple manner.

Coaches come up with the game plan.
Players execute.
Most of the time, players make more than the coaches. Particularly the players that execute most of the plans.

Managers come up with the game plan.
Administration executes.
Administration NEVER makes anything even close to the Managers. Ever.

And your point is? Yes, there are different pay scales for different jobs. It's been that way since the beginning of time. And, it's not always assholes that get paid more. There are some very bright, educated, and friendly people making a lot of money. I fail to see your point. Yes, players make more than coaches because players are usually very skilled, and do the bulk of the work. Coaches can be replaced a lot easier than highly skilled players.

In addition, in the business world, value to a business usually dictates pay. What is an employees value to a business? What do they bring to the table? What is their track record? How does the business directly benefit from an employee? Every single situation is different, there are no blanket rules that apply. Different businesses have different needs, different job scopes, and select employees accordingly. All of this is common knowledge, it's not rocket science.

So again, what's your point? Do you not already know these things? Anyone that knows anything about sports and / or the business world, certainly knows and understands these things. Also, in reality, the definition of manager and supervisor depends on the business and their chain of command. In some cases, both are basically the same, with like responsibilities.

Anything else? Just ask.

Just seems to me an Assistant supporting a high level Executive probably does more for the business than a Mid Level Manager. I think that in may cases, "Secretarial" positions are vastly unpaid in proportion to what they do for the company and how what they do contributes to the bottom line. Often times, the knowledge base needed is equal to or greater than those making twice the salary.

I understand the way the world work. I'm just saying it's not adequate nor fair.

Well, no shit, for real? ........... Your opinion does not change facts. Everyone of us disagrees about something that takes place in this world. We all see something that doesn't seem to be right and / or fair. We do not live in utopia, nor in paradise. This is not a perfect world. And, I'm sure that you know and realize that. So, again, what's your point? What kind of response were you looking for? I have explained, in detail, how the system works, and many of the reasons why it works the way it does. All of this is nothing more than common knowledge and common sense. I fail to see the point and purpose of your post. I don't see what you're getting at. All I see is what we all know and understand as just business as usual, and general practices.

No need to get shitty.
Just have a discussion... sheesh!

FYI --- I'm NOT getting shitty. I'm simply replying to your thread. I have posted my views and opinions. I have explained in great detail why the system is like it is. What do you want to discuss that isn't already common knowledge and common sense? Is there something that you feel is not common knowledge about sports and the business world in general? Is there something that you feel is behind the workings that we don't already know? Again, what is your point? What are you looking for in the way of a response?

 

[Bonzi]

Coaches come up with the game plan.
Players execute.
Most of the time, players make more than the coaches. Particularly the players that execute most of the plans.

Managers come up with the game plan.
Administration executes.
Administration NEVER makes anything even close to the Managers. Ever.

And your point is? Yes, there are different pay scales for different jobs. It's been that way since the beginning of time. And, it's not always assholes that get paid more. There are some very bright, educated, and friendly people making a lot of money. I fail to see your point. Yes, players make more than coaches because players are usually very skilled, and do the bulk of the work. Coaches can be replaced a lot easier than highly skilled players.

In addition, in the business world, value to a business usually dictates pay. What is an employees value to a business? What do they bring to the table? What is their track record? How does the business directly benefit from an employee? Every single situation is different, there are no blanket rules that apply. Different businesses have different needs, different job scopes, and select employees accordingly. All of this is common knowledge, it's not rocket science.

So again, what's your point? Do you not already know these things? Anyone that knows anything about sports and / or the business world, certainly knows and understands these things. Also, in reality, the definition of manager and supervisor depends on the business and their chain of command. In some cases, both are basically the same, with like responsibilities.

Anything else? Just ask.

Just seems to me an Assistant supporting a high level Executive probably does more for the business than a Mid Level Manager. I think that in may cases, "Secretarial" positions are vastly unpaid in proportion to what they do for the company and how what they do contributes to the bottom line. Often times, the knowledge base needed is equal to or greater than those making twice the salary.

I understand the way the world work. I'm just saying it's not adequate nor fair.

Well, no shit, for real? ........... Your opinion does not change facts. Everyone of us disagrees about something that takes place in this world. We all see something that doesn't seem to be right and / or fair. We do not live in utopia, nor in paradise. This is not a perfect world. And, I'm sure that you know and realize that. So, again, what's your point? What kind of response were you looking for? I have explained, in detail, how the system works, and many of the reasons why it works the way it does. All of this is nothing more than common knowledge and common sense. I fail to see the point and purpose of your post. I don't see what you're getting at. All I see is what we all know and understand as just business as usual, and general practices.

No need to get shitty.
Just have a discussion... sheesh!

FYI --- I'm NOT getting shitty. I'm simply replying to your thread. I have posted my views and opinions. I have explained in great detail why the system is like it is. What do you want to discuss that isn't already common knowledge and common sense? Is there something that you feel is not common knowledge about sports and the business world in general? Is there something that you feel is behind the workings that we don't already know? Again, what is your point? What are you looking for in the way of a response?

Like I said just looking for open discussion, thanks for you input

 

[defcon4]

The people that make a lot have a lot of responsibilities.
If the thing folds, its on them.
Low wage people don't.

Then, they have a $ 100 million severance package when they are fired....

 

[shadow355]

Top athletes get top dollar. In most cases the are the most valuable people on the team, and, therefore get the most pay.

Why doesn't it work this way in the business world? What does it often happen that those that do the most work, that drive the business and results, often get the LEAST pay?

Not true in all industries, but most companies I have worked for the management and upper tier spend most of their time socializing, eating and in meetings where nothing really gets accomplished......

When my job was contracted out about 5 years ago :

1) I lost about $900 a month in income

2) I had to start paying for my insurance when it was free before my job was contracted out.

3) I lost income with yearly bonuses and safety awards.

4) I lost my shift differential pay.

5) I lost three weeks paid vacation . Now I only get one weeks paid. We were supposed to get 10 days vacation this year ; but the 10 days paid vacation got cancelled by Corporate supervisors this past June ...... As one of my foreman told me.

6) I lost the ability to trade shifts - where I work for one person and then they work for me. It can be done - but it has to occur in a pay week. So if I need a shift trade on Saturday ; I have to pay the person back by Sunday at midnight.

I lost so much when my job was contracted out.

I have a Fire protection and prevention mission - I provide Emergency Medical Care and I provide Security services. I also assist and provide with Environmental , Health and Safety . And I get rewarded.......I get thanked for doing such a good job - that my job gets contracted out and I loose benefits and pay.

I work years ( about the years 2004 to 2009 ) of solid 72 to 84 hour weeks, forced overtime , verbal abuse from shift supervisors , unfairly treated and me being told I have to do my job as well as someone else's- and when I do not finish both jobs In the time constraints I punished and reprimanded.

Me being forced to work overtime repetitively by a foreman - when no one else has to take their turn.

Me having to work overtime on my days off, or on long break and others whom are off; do not have to work overtime on the days scheduled off .

Lots of injustices and irregularities - along with favoritism in have to deal with.

And my having my job contracted out- is how I am thanked.

Shadow. 355

 

[shadow355]

The people that make a lot have a lot of responsibilities.
If the thing folds, its on them.
Low wage people don't.

Then, they have a $ 100 million severance package when they are fired....

Some corporate personnel get much more than that ...... Along with stock options and other benefits .

Shadow 355

 

[longknife]

Ohmagawd, such heresy! You need to check yourself into a looneybin.

 

[Sonny Clark]

And your point is? Yes, there are different pay scales for different jobs. It's been that way since the beginning of time. And, it's not always assholes that get paid more. There are some very bright, educated, and friendly people making a lot of money. I fail to see your point. Yes, players make more than coaches because players are usually very skilled, and do the bulk of the work. Coaches can be replaced a lot easier than highly skilled players.

In addition, in the business world, value to a business usually dictates pay. What is an employees value to a business? What do they bring to the table? What is their track record? How does the business directly benefit from an employee? Every single situation is different, there are no blanket rules that apply. Different businesses have different needs, different job scopes, and select employees accordingly. All of this is common knowledge, it's not rocket science.

So again, what's your point? Do you not already know these things? Anyone that knows anything about sports and / or the business world, certainly knows and understands these things. Also, in reality, the definition of manager and supervisor depends on the business and their chain of command. In some cases, both are basically the same, with like responsibilities.

Anything else? Just ask.

Just seems to me an Assistant supporting a high level Executive probably does more for the business than a Mid Level Manager. I think that in may cases, "Secretarial" positions are vastly unpaid in proportion to what they do for the company and how what they do contributes to the bottom line. Often times, the knowledge base needed is equal to or greater than those making twice the salary.

I understand the way the world work. I'm just saying it's not adequate nor fair.

Well, no shit, for real? ........... Your opinion does not change facts. Everyone of us disagrees about something that takes place in this world. We all see something that doesn't seem to be right and / or fair. We do not live in utopia, nor in paradise. This is not a perfect world. And, I'm sure that you know and realize that. So, again, what's your point? What kind of response were you looking for? I have explained, in detail, how the system works, and many of the reasons why it works the way it does. All of this is nothing more than common knowledge and common sense. I fail to see the point and purpose of your post. I don't see what you're getting at. All I see is what we all know and understand as just business as usual, and general practices.

No need to get shitty.
Just have a discussion... sheesh!

FYI --- I'm NOT getting shitty. I'm simply replying to your thread. I have posted my views and opinions. I have explained in great detail why the system is like it is. What do you want to discuss that isn't already common knowledge and common sense? Is there something that you feel is not common knowledge about sports and the business world in general? Is there something that you feel is behind the workings that we don't already know? Again, what is your point? What are you looking for in the way of a response?

Like I said just looking for open discussion, thanks for you input

OK

 

[defcon4]

Top athletes get top dollar. In most cases the are the most valuable people on the team, and, therefore get the most pay.

Why doesn't it work this way in the business world? What does it often happen that those that do the most work, that drive the business and results, often get the LEAST pay?

Not true in all industries, but most companies I have worked for the management and upper tier spend most of their time socializing, eating and in meetings where nothing really gets accomplished......

When my job was contracted out about 5 years ago :

1) I lost about $900 a month in income

2) I had to start paying for my insurance when it was free before my job was contracted out.

3) I lost income with yearly bonuses and safety awards.

4) I lost my shift differential pay.

5) I lost three weeks paid vacation . Now I only get one weeks paid. We were supposed to get 10 days vacation this year ; but the 10 days paid vacation got cancelled by Corporate supervisors this past June ...... As one of my foreman told me.

6) I lost the ability to trade shifts - where I work for one person and then they work for me. It can be done - but it has to occur in a pay week. So if I need a shift trade on Saturday ; I have to pay the person back by Sunday at midnight.

I lost so much when my job was contracted out.

I have a Fire protection and prevention mission - I provide Emergency Medical Care and I provide Security services. I also assist and provide with Environmental , Health and Safety . And I get rewarded.......I get thanked for doing such a good job - that my job gets contracted out and I loose benefits and pay.

I work years ( about the years 2004 to 2009 ) of solid 72 to 84 hour weeks, forced overtime , verbal abuse from shift supervisors , unfairly treated and me being told I have to do my job as well as someone else's- and when I do not finish both jobs In the time constraints I punished and reprimanded.

Me being forced to work overtime repetitively by a foreman - when no one else has to take their turn.

Me having to work overtime on my days off, or on long break and others whom are off; do not have to work overtime on the days scheduled off .

Lots of injustices and irregularities - along with favoritism in have to deal with.

And my having my job contracted out- is how I am thanked.

Shadow. 355

I am not known to push for redistribution of wealth but that's how corporations "fight" for ******* socialism. They do not appreciate their employees. They cut wages and/or benefits and reshuffle all the so called savings to the compensation of the Board of Directors, CEO-s and all the upper echelon sumbitches. Then, people who do the actual work get fucked and naturally they are dissatisfied with the situation. Then, Bernie Sanders comes along and people like ole Bernie's ideas. But Bernie's ideas have been tried and miserably failed. So, people on the bottom always get fucked being Feudalism or Socialism or unfettered Capitalism.