Waco Massacre...33 years ago today

[Jarlaxle]

Everybody here seems to be against the federal government going after David Koresh and trying to save the captive Branch Davidians.

Oh, I get it.

It's because it was Bill Clinton and Janet Reno who went after them.

If this happened under Trump's watch, Hallelujah!

Have you ever NOT been the stupidest person in the room?

Not so sure, I think they were also pissed off at Ruby Ridge.

Still, the Branch Davidians were rightly fucked once they opened fire on Federal agents.

They should have just starved them out, with continual offers to allow the women and children to leave broadcast all times of the day.

It's worse than that. F-troop was mostly blue-on-blue. That's right: those stumbling, bumbling idiots shot EACH OTHER.

No one was against ARRESTING Koresh. We are against the irresponsible way the FBI and ATF went about it. He jogged on public roads unescorted and presumably unarmed every day and could have been quietly arrested by a local LEO. Instead, the BATF sent what amounted to a SWAT team to breech the compound and created the whole mess.

The local sheriff offered to go in and pick Koresh up himself.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Where do you come up with that? The feds did go after the Davidians and blew it.

I have no argument at all with that true statement.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Have you ever NOT been the stupidest person in the room?



It's worse than that. F-troop was mostly blue-on-blue. That's right: those stumbling, bumbling idiots shot EACH OTHER.



The local sheriff offered to go in and pick Koresh up himself.

Only when you've called someone else the stupidest person in the room.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Branch Davidian Compound Fire Ends 51-Day Waco Standoff, Kills About 80. Hard to believe Reno just did not order the arrest of Koresh when he was in town on multiple occasions.​

We The People: This Day in History, April 19

On April 19, 1993, a fire destroyed the Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel outside Waco, killing about 80 people, including 22 children, and ending the 51-day standoff with federal authorities.

www.kwtx.com

He would have just turned himself in at the local Sheriff's office but the Clintons needed to show their degenerate homo Democrat base how he was going to handle him some uppity Xians n stuff. The ILGA and its pedophile membership had been proposed for recognition as an NGO at the UN in 1991, thanks to the Clinton election, and with opposition to that brewing up to stop that sicko crap in the US Senate, Clinton needed to Keep Hope Alive among the cherished homo kiddie raper vote now fashionable with Democrats.

In 1991, the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) applied for consultative status with the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) as a non-governmental organization; its application was initially deferred due to opposition from several member states. The application was finally approved at the ECOSOC meeting of 30 July 1993, with only Syria, Malaysia, Swaziland and Togo voting against it. However, that status was suspended on 16 September 1994 after a campaign led by conservative US senator Jesse Helms focusing on the membership in ILGA of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and other pro-pedophilia groups. Helms introduced a bill to cut funding to the United Nations unless it could certify that it did not grant any official status to "any organization which promotes, condones or seeks the legalization of pedophilia"; NAMBLA had been an ILGA member for approximately 15 years.

ILGA consultative status controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[martybegan]

Have you ever NOT been the stupidest person in the room?



It's worse than that. F-troop was mostly blue-on-blue. That's right: those stumbling, bumbling idiots shot EACH OTHER.



The local sheriff offered to go in and pick Koresh up himself.

It was a valid warrant, and you don't get to shoot back at a valid warrant.

It was a stupid way of doing it, but they were within the law.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It was a valid warrant, and you don't get to shoot back at a valid warrant.

It was a stupid way of doing it, but they were within the law.

You do get to shoot back when they open fire first. Valid warrant or not

 

[martybegan]

You do get to shoot back when they open fire first. Valid warrant or not

Wrong.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

No I am correct. A valid warrant is not permission to open fire without justification.

If Law enforcement opens fire first you do have the right to shoot back valid warrant or not

 

[martybegan]

No I am correct. A valid warrant is not permission to open fire without justification.

If Law enforcement opens fire first you do have the right to shoot back valid warrant or not

Wrong.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

Nope you are wrong I am correct. A warrant is not permission to open fire without justification

 

[martybegan]

Nope you are wrong I am correct. A warrant is not permission to open fire without justification

You said "fire first"

If the other side is armed (which they were) that is all the justification needed.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You said "fire first"

If the other side is armed (which they were) that is all the justification needed.

Wrong

That is not justiification. If the police fire first even with a valid warrant you do have the right to defend yourself,

Being armed is not in and of itsself justification , if it were then anyone with a CCW could be shot on sight.

 

[martybegan]

Wrong

That is not justiification. If the police fire first even with a valid warrant you do have the right to defend yourself,

Being armed is not in and of itsself justification , if it were then anyone with a CCW could be shot on sight.

you do not have that "right"

Please give me the law that says that.

 

[Soupnazi630]

you do not have that "right"

Please give me the law that says that.

Yes you do.

Self defense laws all say that, they do not say except for cops with a warrant

 

[martybegan]

Yes you do.

Self defense laws all say that, they do not say except for cops with a warrant

Again, quote the law.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Again, quote the law.

Again none neede,d all self defense laws say it

You provide the exception you cannot , it does not exist

 

[jacksonlamb]

He would have just turned himself in at the local Sheriff's office but the Clintons needed to show their degenerate homo Democrat base how he was going to handle him some uppity Xians n stuff. The ILGA and its pedophile membership had been proposed for recognition as an NGO at the UN in 1991, thanks to the Clinton election, and with opposition to that brewing up to stop that sicko crap in the US Senate, Clinton needed to Keep Hope Alive among the cherished homo kiddie raper vote now fashionable with Democrats.

In 1991, the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) applied for consultative status with the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) as a non-governmental organization; its application was initially deferred due to opposition from several member states. The application was finally approved at the ECOSOC meeting of 30 July 1993, with only Syria, Malaysia, Swaziland and Togo voting against it. However, that status was suspended on 16 September 1994 after a campaign led by conservative US senator Jesse Helms focusing on the membership in ILGA of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and other pro-pedophilia groups. Helms introduced a bill to cut funding to the United Nations unless it could certify that it did not grant any official status to "any organization which promotes, condones or seeks the legalization of pedophilia"; NAMBLA had been an ILGA member for approximately 15 years.

ILGA consultative status controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No, Koresh never would have turned himself in.

 

[martybegan]

Again none neede,d all self defense laws say it

You provide the exception you cannot , it does not exist

Wrong.

This sounds like some sovereign citizen bullshit.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Anybody who pleads being a sovereign citizen nonsense in court is going, and should, to jail.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, Koresh never would have turned himself in.

Maybe not randomly before the raid.

In the after math of the ATF's disaster there was very good progress made in negotiating with him. It's reasonable to say he may well have come out and surrendered if the FBI's HRT guys had not undermined the negotiations through Psychological warfare.