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ahh the classic lazyboy patriot ploy....It seems your responses are limited to juvenile nonsense. So away you go to my Ignore list with the rest of the belligerent adolescents and low-IQ time and space wasters.
Over exposure to water can kill as well. So can CO2, nitrogen and almost anything out there. That is utterly beside the point that you seem to have completely missed. The point was scale and purpose 2 things that are simply not comparable between sarin gas that IS lethal and CS that is NOT lethal but can still kill.Correct. And mustard gas is not the same as Sarin gas, and chlorine gas is not the same as mustard gas, and on and on. All do not have the same lethal potential, nor do they all function in the same way. But people have died from exposure (especially indoors) to tear gas. And if you ever have the opportunity to read the cautions on a tear gas projectile it clearly states its life-threatening potential and precautions.It is not the same as serein gas, period.
So it is not a weapon in the same category as sarin, but it is a weapon nonetheless. Its common use outdoors in controlling mobs should not convey the impression that it's harmless. Its use indoors can kill!
Whether or not it caused the fire is rather irrelevant and has nothing to do with my point. Stating that everything was wrong with WACO is a complete cop out and only serves to defeat rational discourse. Everything was not the problem. There were specific things that can be pointed at that were the problems.Everything about the Waco raid was wrong, from beginning to end. And while there is no evidence to ascertain that the tear gas used started the fire, there is an equal lack of evidence it didn't.As wrong as Waco was, it was NOT wrong because they used tear gas. It was wrong because of the way that it was executed as well as the level they elevated the event to. Where a simple arrest would have sufficed, they stormed the compound and endangered innocent people.
The use of tear gas was not the problem and it CANNOT be compared to using nerve gas. That would be akin to comparing a Taser (also deadly in the right circumstances) to a cruise missile. They are in completely different fields.
Those who wish to draw an intelligent conclusion about that are urged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis.
really the most logical conclusion that can be made is if "they" had turned over their illegal weapons and gagged koresh then no one would have died.Correct. And mustard gas is not the same as Sarin gas, and chlorine gas is not the same as mustard gas, and on and on. All do not have the same lethal potential, nor do they all function in the same way. But people have died from exposure, (especially indoors) to tear gas. And if you ever have the opportunity to read the cautions on a tear gas projectile it clearly states its life-threatening potential and precautions.It is not the same as serein gas, period.
So it is not a weapon in the same category as sarin, but it is a weapon nonetheless. Its common use outdoors in controlling mobs should not convey the impression that it's harmless. Its use indoors can kill!
Everything about the Waco raid was wrong, from beginning to end. And while there is no evidence to ascertain that the tear gas used started the fire, there is an equal lack of evidence it didn't.As wrong as Waco was, it was NOT wrong because they used tear gas. It was wrong because of the way that it was executed as well as the level they elevated the event to. Where a simple arrest would have sufficed, they stormed the compound and endangered innocent people.
The use of tear gas was not the problem and it CANNOT be compared to using nerve gas. That would be akin to comparing a Taser (also deadly in the right circumstances) to a cruise missile. They are in completely different fields.
Those who wish to draw an intelligent conclusion about that are urged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis.
instead they chose to martyr themselves and their kids.
I didn't say "everything was wrong with Waco." Please don't misquote me. I said everything about the raid was wrong, from beginning to end.Over exposure to water can kill as well. So can CO2, nitrogen and almost anything out there. That is utterly beside the point that you seem to have completely missed. The point was scale and purpose 2 things that are simply not comparable between sarin gas that IS lethal and CS that is NOT lethal but can still kill.Correct. And mustard gas is not the same as Sarin gas, and chlorine gas is not the same as mustard gas, and on and on. All do not have the same lethal potential, nor do they all function in the same way. But people have died from exposure (especially indoors) to tear gas. And if you ever have the opportunity to read the cautions on a tear gas projectile it clearly states its life-threatening potential and precautions.It is not the same as serein gas, period.
So it is not a weapon in the same category as sarin, but it is a weapon nonetheless. Its common use outdoors in controlling mobs should not convey the impression that it's harmless. Its use indoors can kill!
I cant fathom why you are trying to connect sarin use and CS use. You do realize that it makes your arguments into useless rantings. The comparison is CLEARLY insane. They are not the same category. As I said earlier it is akin to comparing a Taser and a cruise missile. A comparison that is insane.
Whether or not it caused the fire is rather irrelevant and has nothing to do with my point. Stating that everything was wrong with WACO is a complete cop out and only serves to defeat rational discourse. Everything was not the problem. There were specific things that can be pointed at that were the problems.Everything about the Waco raid was wrong, from beginning to end. And while there is no evidence to ascertain that the tear gas used started the fire, there is an equal lack of evidence it didn't.As wrong as Waco was, it was NOT wrong because they used tear gas. It was wrong because of the way that it was executed as well as the level they elevated the event to. Where a simple arrest would have sufficed, they stormed the compound and endangered innocent people.
The use of tear gas was not the problem and it CANNOT be compared to using nerve gas. That would be akin to comparing a Taser (also deadly in the right circumstances) to a cruise missile. They are in completely different fields.
Those who wish to draw an intelligent conclusion about that are urged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis.
Where did I compare tear gas to sarin gas?Over exposure to water can kill as well. So can CO2, nitrogen and almost anything out there. That is utterly beside the point that you seem to have completely missed. The point was scale and purpose 2 things that are simply not comparable between sarin gas that IS lethal and CS that is NOT lethal but can still kill.
I cant fathom why you are trying to connect sarin use and CS use. You do realize that it makes your arguments into useless rantings. The comparison is CLEARLY insane. They are not the same category. As I said earlier it is akin to comparing a Taser and a cruise missile. A comparison that is insane.
I find nothing wrong with using equal force to defend against armed raiders who are behaving like Nazi Gestapo. Neither does the Texas Penal Law, which acquitted the Davidians of criminal charges in relation to their use of defensive force against the ATF raiders.ahh the classic lazyboy patriot ploy....It seems your responses are limited to juvenile nonsense. So away you go to my Ignore list with the rest of the belligerent adolescents and low-IQ time and space wasters.
Somehow killing federal agents had become a positive in the warped minds of these nitwits
Your obvious bias in condemning the Davidians as "nitwits" and your apparent unquestioning reverence for any and all who bear the title federal agent suggests one of two possibilities; those being (a) you are relatively ignorant of the circumstances involved in the Waco massacre or (b) your thinking is affected by what behaviorists refer to as the authoritarian/submissive orientation.Somehow killing federal agents had become a positive in the warped minds of these nitwits
What, specifically, was it about the Davidians' actions that you think of as "insane?"Just because they acted insane[...]
If it's irrelevant, why do you mention it? Actually it is in fact your entirely subjective personal opinion, which could be applied to any religion -- and has been, with more substantive cause.The actions of the individuals at WACO is completely irrelevant to the incorrect decisions that the police made. Simple fact is that the poor decisions of others DOES NOT negate the poor decisions that you make. Should those people have acted differently? Of course, likely starting with the fact that they should never have joined the insane cult to begin with but, as I said, that is irrelevant.
I find nothing wrong with using equal force to defend against armed raiders who are behaving like Nazi Gestapo. Neither does the Texas Penal Law, which acquitted the Davidians of criminal charges in relation to their use of defensive force against the ATF raiders.ahh the classic lazyboy patriot ploy....
Somehow killing federal agents had become a positive in the warped minds of these nitwits
(I've posted the specifics of that law in an earlier message)
Your obvious bias in condemning the Davidians as "nitwits" and your apparent unquestioning reverence for any and all who bear the title federal agent suggests one of two possibilities; those being (a) you are relatively ignorant of the circumstances involved in the Waco massacre or (b) your thinking is affected by what behaviorists refer to as the authoritarian/submissive orientation.Somehow killing federal agents had become a positive in the warped minds of these nitwits
Which do you suppose it is?
I know this about the Gestapo; the choice was to submit to them or die. And the Waco massacre is not the only example of ATF's assertion of that ruthless authoritarian axiom.You should inform yourself on the Gestapo.
That is not an established fact.fun fact: if the wackos at waco had not douched the compound with gas there would have been no fires..
While some discussion of pouring gasoline was picked up by a bugging device, the survivors' account for that refers to a "Warsaw tank trap" dug in the back of the building. A Warsaw tank trap is simply a narrow ditch filled with wood scraps which are soaked with gasoline. If a tank or armored vehicle falls forward into the ditch the trap is ignited.
Anyone who is interested in more detailed coverage of what really happened at Waco is encouraged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis. (Available in inexpensive paperback from Amazon.)
any thread made about government corruption,he defends their version of events no mnatter how absurd it is.
It seems your responses are limited to juvenile nonsense. So away you go to my Ignore list with the rest of the belligerent adolescents and low-IQ time and space wasters.What they chose to do is resist the kind of oppression that you should be equally opposed to but evidently are not. What happened at Waco is shameful testimony that the majority of Americans are willing to accept such oppressive conduct on the part of their government.
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It seems your responses are limited to juvenile nonsense. So away you go to my Ignore list with the rest of the belligerent adolescents and low-IQ time and space wasters.
thats what I learned ages ago.His posts consist of a juvenile childs.Thats all he ever does when he is cornered with facts he cant refute is he makes that juvenile post.
