Waco 1993 - When the US govt used chemical weapons on US civilians!!!

[LA RAM FAN]

two farts in a row from you candyass.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Certainly true of our last 4 presidents. Mass murdering psychopaths, all of them.

actually that would apply to the last "FIVE" presidents we have had.

If you dont think Reagan was one,then you have been fooled by the myth the CIA controlled media has spread over the years about that bastard.
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Reagan was a murderer but he didn't start any major wars that killed civilians by the hundreds of thousands. I hate reagan because he gave amnesty to millions of foreign invaders.

fair enough.He also shipped millions of jobs overseas which every president since has followed,which is why Obama in his inagural address speech,said he planned to follow the footsteps of reagan which in that area,again like every president since him,has done that,betray the lower and middle class familys follwing his lead.

He was also a murderer of 50,000 american babies so in that way,I would say he is a mass murderer.

He was the perfect puppet for the NWO and the establishment which is why they selected him being the first politician to open up the doors signing the abortion bill as governor of california in roe vs wade.theres more on him i can post as well that the CIA controlled media never tells the american people about him I can post if your interested.

 

[MikeK]

Tear gas use has never been considered chemical warfare when used in law enforcement actions.

Its tear gas......

Technically, that is true.

But there is an extremely aggravating circumstance in the example of the Waco massacre which accounts for the tendency of even knowledgeable individuals to think of the tear gas used in that siege as a chemical weapon. That tendency is based, whether consciously or subliminally, on awareness that there were twenty-one innocent children in that building, some as young as two -- little tots, to whom tear gas was indeed a chemical weapon which is easily capable of suffocating them to death.

So based on the awareness that there were babies along with adults in the Davidian residence, the introduction of a powerful tear gas, which is indicated for outdoor use only, certainly may be regarded as using a chemical weapon.

 

[MikeK]

fun fact: if the wackos at waco had not douched the compound with gas there would have been no fires..

That is not an established fact.

While some discussion of pouring gasoline was picked up by a bugging device, the survivors' account for that refers to a "Warsaw tank trap" dug in the back of the building. A Warsaw tank trap is simply a narrow ditch filled with wood scraps which are soaked with gasoline. If a tank or armored vehicle falls forward into the ditch the trap is ignited.

Anyone who is interested in more detailed coverage of what really happened at Waco is encouraged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis. (Available in inexpensive paperback from Amazon.)

 

[daws101]

fun fact: if the wackos at waco had not douched the compound with gas there would have been no fires..

That is not an established fact.

While some discussion of pouring gasoline was picked up by a bugging device, the survivors' account for that refers to a "Warsaw tank trap" dug in the back of the building. A Warsaw tank trap is simply a narrow ditch filled with wood scraps which are soaked with gasoline. If a tank or armored vehicle falls forward into the ditch the trap is ignited.

Anyone who is interested in more detailed coverage of what really happened at Waco is encouraged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis. (Available in inexpensive paperback from Amazon.)

 

[MikeK]

It is not the same as serein gas, period.

Correct. And mustard gas is not the same as Sarin gas, and chlorine gas is not the same as mustard gas, and on and on. All do not have the same lethal potential, nor do they all function in the same way. But people have died from exposure (especially indoors) to tear gas. And if you ever have the opportunity to read the cautions on a tear gas projectile it clearly states its life-threatening potential and precautions.

So it is not a weapon in the same category as sarin, but it is a weapon nonetheless. Its common use outdoors in controlling mobs should not convey the impression that it's harmless. Its use indoors can kill!

As wrong as Waco was, it was NOT wrong because they used tear gas. It was wrong because of the way that it was executed as well as the level they elevated the event to. Where a simple arrest would have sufficed, they stormed the compound and endangered innocent people.

The use of tear gas was not the problem and it CANNOT be compared to using nerve gas. That would be akin to comparing a Taser (also deadly in the right circumstances) to a cruise missile. They are in completely different fields.

Everything about the Waco raid was wrong, from beginning to end. And while there is no evidence to ascertain that the tear gas used started the fire, there is an equal lack of evidence it didn't.

Those who wish to draw an intelligent conclusion about that are urged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis.

 

[MikeK]

fun fact: if the wackos at waco had not douched the compound with gas there would have been no fires..

That is not an established fact.

While some discussion of pouring gasoline was picked up by a bugging device, the survivors' account for that refers to a "Warsaw tank trap" dug in the back of the building. A Warsaw tank trap is simply a narrow ditch filled with wood scraps which are soaked with gasoline. If a tank or armored vehicle falls forward into the ditch the trap is ignited.

Anyone who is interested in more detailed coverage of what really happened at Waco is encouraged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis. (Available in inexpensive paperback from Amazon.)

Put down your violin and pick up a book. It can be a surprisingly enlightening experience.

 

[daws101]

It is not the same as serein gas, period.

Correct. And mustard gas is not the same as Sarin gas, and chlorine gas is not the same as mustard gas, and on and on. All do not have the same lethal potential, nor do they all function in the same way. But people have died from exposure, (especially indoors) to tear gas. And if you ever have the opportunity to read the cautions on a tear gas projectile it clearly states its life-threatening potential and precautions.

So it is not a weapon in the same category as sarin, but it is a weapon nonetheless. Its common use outdoors in controlling mobs should not convey the impression that it's harmless. Its use indoors can kill!

As wrong as Waco was, it was NOT wrong because they used tear gas. It was wrong because of the way that it was executed as well as the level they elevated the event to. Where a simple arrest would have sufficed, they stormed the compound and endangered innocent people.

The use of tear gas was not the problem and it CANNOT be compared to using nerve gas. That would be akin to comparing a Taser (also deadly in the right circumstances) to a cruise missile. They are in completely different fields.

Everything about the Waco raid was wrong, from beginning to end. And while there is no evidence to ascertain that the tear gas used started the fire, there is an equal lack of evidence it didn't.

Those who wish to draw an intelligent conclusion about that are urged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis.

really the most logical conclusion that can be made is if "they" had turned over their illegal weapons and gagged koresh then no one would have died.
instead they chose to martyr themselves and their kids.

 

[daws101]

That is not an established fact.

While some discussion of pouring gasoline was picked up by a bugging device, the survivors' account for that refers to a "Warsaw tank trap" dug in the back of the building. A Warsaw tank trap is simply a narrow ditch filled with wood scraps which are soaked with gasoline. If a tank or armored vehicle falls forward into the ditch the trap is ignited.

Anyone who is interested in more detailed coverage of what really happened at Waco is encouraged to read, The Ashes of Waco, by Dick Reavis. (Available in inexpensive paperback from Amazon.)

Put down your violin and pick up a book. It can be a surprisingly enlightening experience.

that depends on what you read.....

 

[High_Gravity]

Nothing was done to Clinton for burning alive somewhere around 80 civilians including many kids. In fact he had the survivors sent to prison!!!!! To shut them up, of course.

Should We Attack The US Government For Using CS Gas On Waco Texas? - :


September 2, 2013
One point that needs to be made, but rarely if ever mentioned, is that in the supposed rationale for US attack on Syria to avenge/prevent claimed civilian deaths by government gas attacks, the US government itself has used similar weapons openly as recently as the FBI/ATF attack on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco Texas in the spring of 1993.

76 men, women and children died in this senseless military style assault which used highly lethal military CS gas as a primary weapon. CS is not a nerve agent and it doesn’t in normal concentrations cause immediate death. But it is highly flammable, persistent and designed to incapacitate targets by causing massive biological reactions including inability to breathe, massive tearing in the eyes, nose bleeds, etc.

The Davidians were totally surrounded, posed no threat to others, and responded with weapons fire only after the ATF/FBI attacked with military style firearms. After the initial government assault was repelled, and after a long standoff, an impatient President Clinton and his Attorney General Janet Reno ordered an all-out military assault on the compound, despite the fact that the only legal justification was a single warrant for David Koresh on unproven charges. The presence of innocent group members was ignored, nor was there any planning for medical aid or fire suppression

Its tear gas you stupid fuck can you read?

 

[MikeK]

really the most logical conclusion that can be made is if "they" had turned over their illegal weapons and gagged koresh then no one would have died.
instead they chose to martyr themselves and their kids.

What they chose to do is resist the kind of oppression that you should be equally opposed to but evidently are not. What happened at Waco is shameful testimony that the majority of Americans are willing to accept such oppressive conduct on the part of their government.

 

[MikeK]

Put down your violin and pick up a book. It can be a surprisingly enlightening experience.

that depends on what you read.....

I've recommended a good one. That's all I can do. I can't read it for you.

 

[R.C. Christian]

The very top complaint I have about this site is how it put's anything that has not been checked by the mainstream media, anything that questions that status-quo, into a conspiracy forum. Really?

God forbid we question anything. The NSA conspired to look at all of our phone calls. That's a conspiracy but none of those threads ended up here now did they?

 

[MikeK]

Its tear gas you stupid fuck can you read?

Imagine you are the commanding officer of a SWAT team called to deal with a situation in which a group of radical individuals believed to be led by a dangerous psychopath are barricaded in a house and are refusing to submit to arrest. Included in this hypothetical group are 21 children, some of whom are under two years old. Babies.

It is known this heavily armed group has stored at least six months of food and water rations.

How would you deal with that situation?

 

[daws101]

really the most logical conclusion that can be made is if "they" had turned over their illegal weapons and gagged koresh then no one would have died.
instead they chose to martyr themselves and their kids.

What they chose to do is resist the kind of oppression that you should be equally opposed to but evidently are not. What happened at Waco is shameful testimony that the majority of Americans are willing to accept such oppressive conduct on the part of their government.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/

 

[MikeK]

really the most logical conclusion that can be made is if "they" had turned over their illegal weapons and gagged koresh then no one would have died.
instead they chose to martyr themselves and their kids.

What they chose to do is resist the kind of oppression that you should be equally opposed to but evidently are not. What happened at Waco is shameful testimony that the majority of Americans are willing to accept such oppressive conduct on the part of their government.

Waco - The Inside Story | FRONTLINE | PBS

It seems your responses are limited to juvenile nonsense. So away you go to my Ignore list with the rest of the belligerent adolescents and low-IQ time and space wasters.

 

[daws101]

What they chose to do is resist the kind of oppression that you should be equally opposed to but evidently are not. What happened at Waco is shameful testimony that the majority of Americans are willing to accept such oppressive conduct on the part of their government.

Waco - The Inside Story | FRONTLINE | PBS

It seems your responses are limited to juvenile nonsense. So away you go to my Ignore list with the rest of the belligerent adolescents and low-IQ time and space wasters.

ahh the classic lazyboy patriot ploy....

 

[MikeK]

It should be noted that the Press was deprived of access to the Davidians in spite of Koresh's frequent request to talk with reporters. At one point early in the standoff Koresh agreed to surrender if he was allowed to talk with reporters before the FBI was able to sequester him. These requests were routinely denied. In fact, the Press was restricted to a common location one mile away from the Davidian residence, supposedly "for their own protection."

For those who are interested in the truth about what happened at Waco, a compendium of most of the relevant facts which members of the Press were able to ascertain are contained in a brief summary, which is available here. Assault on Waco

The sources of each item is footnoted for authenticity.

 

[whitehall]

I watched the hearings when I was laid up with a bad back. As usual it was a case of CYA and Clinton democrats were in the driver's seat. Big dumb Janet Reno was about to make a camparason between a Military Tank and a "used car" when a friendly democrat senator (Schumer) cut her off before she could complete her statement. First of all David Koresch could have been arrested at the local 7-11 any time but the ATF cowboys needed a media splash. It's alleged that the ATF drove up to the compound in civilian vehicles and in civilian clothes and brandishing weapons early in the morning, obviously looking for a fight. Ironically t was the same cowboy kops leadership who screwed up the Ruby Ridge siege and violated the Constitution on that one. Anyway the Feds never offered Koresch legal council or medical assistance for a bullet wound. The CS gas they pumped into the compound is not authorized for use by the Military or the prison system. It comes in a powdered form and needs a gas "carrier" and in this case the gas was allegedly as volatile as laquer thinner. What did they think would happen? If American Troops ever used this kind of weapon against foreign insurgents they would be crucified in the media but the use of the chemical weapons was sanctioned against Americans because the media loved Bill Clinton.

 

[MikeK]

I watched the hearings when I was laid up with a bad back. As usual it was a case of CYA and Clinton democrats were in the driver's seat. Big dumb Janet Reno was about to make a camparason between a Military Tank and a "used car" when a friendly democrat senator (Schumer) cut her off before she could complete her statement. First of all David Koresch could have been arrested at the local 7-11 any time but the ATF cowboys needed a media splash. It's alleged that the ATF drove up to the compound in civilian vehicles and in civilian clothes and brandishing weapons early in the morning, obviously looking for a fight. Ironically t was the same cowboy kops leadership who screwed up the Ruby Ridge siege and violated the Constitution on that one. Anyway the Feds never offered Koresch legal council or medical assistance for a bullet wound. The CS gas they pumped into the compound is not authorized for use by the Military or the prison system. It comes in a powdered form and needs a gas "carrier" and in this case the gas was allegedly as volatile as laquer thinner. What did they think would happen? If American Troops ever used this kind of weapon against foreign insurgents they would be crucified in the media but the use of the chemical weapons was sanctioned against Americans because the media loved Bill Clinton.

The Waco hearings were a classic example of a scripted whitewash. And you're right about Schumer, who carefully steered Reno away from revealing her utter incompetence and impropriety. Bill Clinton's handling of the Waco incident is what caused me to despise him so much I eventually couldn't stand to look at his face on television. It caused my blood pressure to rise so much as to cause dizziness.

One extremely important point which was never brought up during those hearings is the fact that the Davidians were acquitted of criminal charges in a Texas state court for the killing and wounding of ATF raiders, because according to Texas law the raid was unlawfully conducted and so the Davidians had a right to defend themselves by employing "equal force." Texas state law does not acknowledge the status and authority of law enforcement officers who are acting outside the law.

The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 recognizes the Common Law rule of self-defense, which is the defender must have reasonable belief that the circumstances of immediate danger warrant self-defense. And Section 9.31 of the Texas Penal Codes states: "The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified: (1) If, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or persons acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and (2) When and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary."

Those Davidians who eventually went to prison were convicted in federal court.