Violence Has It's Home On The Left.

[NYcarbineer]

What does " every been an organization with the US" mean?

Does that mean 'within'? Oh.

Ya know, Carby...sometimes I get the sense that you are peeking in my window.
One of the books that I am currently studying is James Chace's "1912," which covers E.V.Debs, of the Socialist Party.

And, of course, his presidential campaign includes passages about the most violent organization in the US, the 'wobblies.'

Now, as an illiterate, you aren't aware of 'Big Bill' Haywood, and the International Workers of the World, and there isn't enough space to teach you, but...

1. "During its heyday before and for a decade after WWI, the IWW had a most unsavory reputation for violence."
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2. The Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.) was a radical organization in the United States that was most active between the turn of the century and the 1930s. The Wobblies, as they were known, believed there must be radical changes in American capitalism to improve the oppressive conditions that workers faced. Many I.W.W. members believed in socialist or communist ideology and some advocated whatever means necessary to effect change, including sabotage and violence... ::: Centralia Massacre Collection :::

3. "Defining Sabotage
In 1914 the organization began to publish multiple-language editions of leaflets, newspapers and stickers that advocated sabotage. The term had been used to describe a range of tactics: striking, slowing down work, or even property destruction. Historians still debate what the I.W.W. meant by "sabotage." Some believe that the I.W.W. advocated violence and assassination in their push for "direct action," while others believe the I.W.W.'s concept of sabotage was more innocent. In a famed sticker designed by Ralph Chapin, the image of a wooden shoe (sabot in Dutch, the root word for "sabotage") and an I.W.W. sun appear over a quote from William Haywood: "Sabotage means to push back, pull out or break off the fangs of Capitalism." Predictably, the I.W.W.'s sabotage resulted in supression. By 1917 some twenty states had adopted laws which criminalized acts of sabotage or violence with a political end."
American Experience | Emma Goldman | People & Events | PBS

4. The Industrial Workers of the World (IWW or the Wobblies) is an international union. At its peak in 1923, the organization claimed some 100,000 members in good standing, and could marshal the support of perhaps 300,000 workers.
Industrial Workers of the World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now, let's be clear: this anti-capitalism union was left wing.

And, since I understand actual scholarly work is beyond you, I recommend the Dos Passos "U.S.A." Trilogy, which is excellent literature, and pretty good history. It covers the period.

But it is high school level, so you may not be ready for it.

google abuse is a tragic spectacle

The question was can you name an American organization more violent than the rightwing KKK?

I'll take the above as a no.

Aren't you astounded at how little you know?

No, I'm astounded at how someone as demonstrably clueless as yourself can think she can get away with passing herself off as well read.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I suspect the person with whom she has invested herself is a right wing wacko of the first sort, NYC.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Now that we've established that America's historically most violent group was the rightwing KKK (at this point I'm shocked PC didn't try to claim they are liberals)

let's try this one.

Was John Brown a liberal or a conservative?

 

[JakeStarkey]

John Brown: Presbyterian with his own line to a vengeful Jehovah, guilty of being the leader of two groups of homicides, abolitionist. How about "confused" politically if not theologically?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I suspect the person with whom she has invested herself is a right wing wacko of the first sort, NYC.

She is the logical extreme of everything that is near and dear to the rightwing propaganda machine,

that obsession to find some angle that can turn any topic, any event, any issue into some story that fits the 'right good, left bad' equation.

(note: sharron angle pun above not intended, lol)

 

[NYcarbineer]

John Brown: Presbyterian with his own line to a vengeful Jehovah, guilty of being the leader of two groups of homicides, abolitionist. How about "confused" politically if not theologically?

The question is do the PC's of this thread want to claim him as their own or pass him off to the left.

He was anti-slavery to the extreme. He was horrifically violent both in deeds and in plans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I suspect the person with whom she has invested herself is a right wing wacko of the first sort, NYC.

She is the logical extreme of everything that is near and dear to the rightwing propaganda machine,

that obsession to find some angle that can turn any topic, any event, any issue into some story that fits the 'right good, left bad' equation.

(note: sharron angle pun above not intended, lol)

The point is this then. Is she a true believer in her reactionary philosophical spoutings, or is she a cynical abuser, a demagogue of mediocre abilities?

Some reactionaries like WillowTree actually have a heart that has nothing to do with politics on certain subjects. But others . . . is it simply the desire for power and the right to abuse the great mainstream of Americans for their own self-determined rewards?

 

[PoliticalChic]

google abuse is a tragic spectacle

The question was can you name an American organization more violent than the rightwing KKK?

I'll take the above as a no.

Aren't you astounded at how little you know?

No, I'm astounded at how someone as demonstrably clueless as yourself can think she can get away with passing herself off as well read.

I would have accepted the argument that the schools you attended were the reason, exept for the fact that the expository information was just above where you claimed that there was no answer to your make-believe query...i.e. the IWW.

So it seems clear that it is abject intellectual laziness on your part that is the reason for your consummate, obdurate ignorance.

Don't ever change.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I suspect the person with whom she has invested herself is a right wing wacko of the first sort, NYC.

She is the logical extreme of everything that is near and dear to the rightwing propaganda machine,

that obsession to find some angle that can turn any topic, any event, any issue into some story that fits the 'right good, left bad' equation.

(note: sharron angle pun above not intended, lol)

The point is this then. Is she a true believer in her reactionary philosophical spoutings, or is she a cynical abuser, a demagogue of mediocre abilities?

Some reactionaries like WillowTree actually have a heart that has nothing to do with politics on certain subjects. But others . . . is it simply the desire for power and the right to abuse the great mainstream of Americans for their own self-determined rewards?

Maybe it's attention seeking, the ultimate example of which would be getting others to spend time analyzing her.

I like to debate concisely, point by point. When people won't, I assume they can't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

John Brown: Presbyterian with his own line to a vengeful Jehovah, guilty of being the leader of two groups of homicides, abolitionist. How about "confused" politically if not theologically?

The question is do the PC's of this thread want to claim him as their own or pass him off to the left.

He was anti-slavery to the extreme. He was horrifically violent both in deeds and in plans.

I don't want to interrupt this...what, ...intimate... moment you and Jakey are sharing,...so I'll leave you two.

The most decorous thing to do at a time like this would be to avert one’s gaze.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nah, PC is a poseur, NYC. I wonder if she graduated from Liberty or Patrick Henry or Bob Jones University.

Columbia.

Ever hear of it?

Columbia College in Missouri? Sure. They had a pretty good debate team. I did not know you were from Missouri. At least that's better than PH or the others.

You playing dumb is like the invisible man hiding.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC got slapped around gently, appropriately so.

You may not redefine reality, PC, simple as that: you and your posse will not be permitted to do so.

 

[daveman]

PC got slapped around gently, appropriately so.

You may not redefine reality, PC, simple as that: you and your posse will not be permitted to do so.

You tell her, boyeeee!

 

[Father Time]

John Brown: Presbyterian with his own line to a vengeful Jehovah, guilty of being the leader of two groups of homicides, abolitionist. How about "confused" politically if not theologically?

The question is do the PC's of this thread want to claim him as their own or pass him off to the left.

He was anti-slavery to the extreme. He was horrifically violent both in deeds and in plans.

I don't want to interrupt this...what, ...intimate... moment you and Jakey are sharing,...so I'll leave you two.

So PC thinks that an intimate moment is simply two people agreeing with each other?

She must have the world's worst sex life.

 

[JakeStarkey]

As insensitive as that comment may be Father Time , you may have placed the right amount of attention on her real issues. She may be looking for a true centrist or liberal to free her from the chains of reactionary conservatism.

 

[daveman]

Leftist misogyny is so entertaining.

 

[Father Time]

Leftist misogyny is so entertaining.

Did you seriously not recognize the joke?

 

[JakeStarkey]

conhog's sentience challenges that of a bi valve. I doubt he understood it.

 

[daveman]

Leftist misogyny is so entertaining.

Did you seriously not recognize the joke?

A joke can't be misogynist?

 

[daveman]

conhog's sentience challenges that of a bi valve.

Your doesn't.