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I can't believe anyone's dumb enough to make the argument that the KKK IS rightwing.So did anyone make an argument that the KKK isn't rightwing?
The inhuman outrages perpetuated upon
African Americans in the South were largely committed
through the Democrats Ku Klux Klan.
It is indisputable historical fact that the Klan
was started by Democrats. In fact, during congressional
hearings on the subject, one prominent
Democrat testified that the Ku Klux Klan belongs
to . . . our party the Democratic Party.
And the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan
was prominent Democrat Nathan Bedford
Forrest, an honoree at the 1868 Democratic National
Convention. Recall also that every Democrat
in Congress voted against the 1871 bill to punish
Klan violence (see note on p. 8 about this bill).
Why were blacks so often the target of Klan
violence? According to African American U. S.
Rep. John Roy Lynch: More colored than white
men are thus persecuted simply because they constitute
in larger numbers the opposition to the
Democratic Party. African American U. S. Rep.
Richard Cain of South Carolina, a bishop of the
AME denomination, agreed, declaring: The bad
blood of the South comes because the Negroes
are Republicans. If they would only cease to be
Republicans and vote the straight-out Democratic
ticket there would be no trouble. Then the
bad blood would sink entirely out of sight. It
was these Democratic and Klan inhuman outrages
to which Republicans here object.
Can we mention the Ku Klux Klan, America's most 'renowned' rightwing organization, historically speaking,
and list every murder they committed under their banner as examples of 'assassinations'?
Now that PC has broadened the definition of what a president is, I feel that comparable degrees of loosening of definitions should be de rigueur in this thread.
Anyone want to argue that the KKK wasn't/isn't rightwing, and/or argue that they don't have a history of violence?
Comon, conservatives, your support for PC in this thread is conspicuously meager.
So did anyone make an argument that the KKK isn't rightwing?
Next question, has there every been an organization with the US that committed more violence than the KKK has in its history?
Rule #2. Refuse to accept the statements of any opposing view, from individuals or media, unless reliably liberal.
Now, I admit that I codified the above, but I think Jakey did a really good job of following the bolded ones!
I can't believe anyone's dumb enough to make the argument that the KKK IS rightwing.So did anyone make an argument that the KKK isn't rightwing?
http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/misc/CivilRightsPlatforms.pdf
This is a very interesting document. It provides a glimpse into the history of the Democratic and Republican parties' views on civil rights using their own words published at the time, immune to spin and cries of "taken out of context!"The inhuman outrages perpetuated upon
African Americans in the South were largely committed
through the Democrats Ku Klux Klan.
It is indisputable historical fact that the Klan
was started by Democrats. In fact, during congressional
hearings on the subject, one prominent
Democrat testified that the Ku Klux Klan belongs
to . . . our party the Democratic Party.
And the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan
was prominent Democrat Nathan Bedford
Forrest, an honoree at the 1868 Democratic National
Convention. Recall also that every Democrat
in Congress voted against the 1871 bill to punish
Klan violence (see note on p. 8 about this bill).
Why were blacks so often the target of Klan
violence? According to African American U. S.
Rep. John Roy Lynch: More colored than white
men are thus persecuted simply because they constitute
in larger numbers the opposition to the
Democratic Party. African American U. S. Rep.
Richard Cain of South Carolina, a bishop of the
AME denomination, agreed, declaring: The bad
blood of the South comes because the Negroes
are Republicans. If they would only cease to be
Republicans and vote the straight-out Democratic
ticket there would be no trouble. Then the
bad blood would sink entirely out of sight. It
was these Democratic and Klan inhuman outrages
to which Republicans here object.
Read through it and see the fantastic historical revisions that have been foisted on America by the left.
Can we mention the Ku Klux Klan, America's most 'renowned' rightwing organization, historically speaking,
and list every murder they committed under their banner as examples of 'assassinations'?
Now that PC has broadened the definition of what a president is, I feel that comparable degrees of loosening of definitions should be de rigueur in this thread.
Anyone want to argue that the KKK wasn't/isn't rightwing, and/or argue that they don't have a history of violence?
Comon, conservatives, your support for PC in this thread is conspicuously meager.
So did anyone make an argument that the KKK isn't rightwing?
Next question, has there every been an organization with the US that committed more violence than the KKK has in its history?
I think the identity of Republican and Democrat swapped each other sometime in the Civil Rights Era. Reps of then are today's Dems, and vice versa.
I just can see Klansmen driving a Prius, preaching about climate change, proclaiming a need to keep borders open, demanding gay marriage rights, advocating the takeover of healthcare by the government, and apologizing to Muslims.
But hey, one thing the left and the Klan have in common? They've both supported eugenics!!
My fellow board member, Rinata, disputed this statement; "...you are unaware of the fact that it is the left that is typically and repeatedly responsible for actual violence in our society..."
One of those political themes, supported by the left-wing press, and readily believed by the easily-led, is that political violence is suckled in the bosom of right wing cabals
Lets investigate the veracity of this view.
1. The current spin:
a. There are more death threats aimed at President Obama: At a congressional hearing into the White House security breach that took place last week, when Tareq and Michaele Salahi "crashed" the White House state dinner, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said the current threat level against the president is normal.
"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said. Secret Service: Threats Against Obama No Higher than Normal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
b. McCain-Palin rallies? The Times Leader of Wilkes-Barre, Pa., reports that the Secret Service can find no evidence that anyone shouted Kill him! in reference to Barack Obama at a recent Palin event (via Little Green Footballs).
The story was originally reported by a competitor, the Scranton Times-Tribune, which is standing by its reporter, David Singleton:
Mr. Singleton said the remark came from his right, amid booing that followed Mr. Hacketts mention of Mr. Obama.
very distinctly heard, Kill him! Male voice, he said. It was definitely back in the back.
Media Nation So what about those death threats?
c. During the Bush presidency, liberals had actually produced books and movies about the fantasy of President Bush being assassinated.
2. Historic review:
every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.
a. John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincolns Republican war policies. THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct
b. Charles J. Guiteau, who shot President James Garfield, was part of a utopian commune, the Oneida Community, where free love was practiced. Ackerman, Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder of President James A. Garfield, p.135
c. Leon Czolgosz, who killed President McKinley, was a socialist and anarchist, whose act was instigated by a speech he heard by socialist Emma Goldman. American Experience | Emma Goldman | Transcript | PBS
d. John Schrank, who shot and wounded Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, seemed to have no affiliation other than opposition to a third term. Theodore Roosevelt shot in Milwaukee — History.com This Day in History — 10/14/1912
e. Giuseppe Zangara, who came close to killing President Roosevelt in 1933, (he killed Mayor Cermak) hated the rich and sought to make even with the capitalists. Franklin D. Roosevelt Assassination Attempt - FBI Freedom of Information Act Files - Miami Public Pages
f. Lee Harvey Oswald, who shot JFK, had been a communist ever since he read a communist pamphlet about the Rosenbergs.
g. Sirhan Sirhan, who killed Robert Kennedy, was a Palestinian who hated Kennedys support of Israel.
h. Arthur Bremer shot George Wallace in 1972, due to Wallaces support for segregation. Arthur Bremer Biography from Basic Famous People - Biographies of Celebrities and other Famous People Upon his release, Bremer showed no remorse: shooting segregationist dinosaurs is not like shooting people because they are extinct by act of God. This mention of God was the only blemish on Bremers otherwise impeccable liberal credentials. Coulter, Guilty, p. 260.
i. Lynette Squeaky Fromme, tried to shoot President Ford because she was incensed about the plight of the California redwoods. Gerald Ford Oultived His Obituary Writer
j. Sara Jane Moore also tried to kill President Ford because the government had declared war on the left. Interview: Woman Who Tried To Assassinate Ford 1/03/07 | abc7news.com
k. John Hinckley shot President Reagan to impress a girl. The jury found him not guilty by reason of insanity. which is as good a definition of liberalism as Ive heard. Coulter, Guilty. P. 260.
Welcome to the real world, Rinata.
Okay, for those of you who comically believe the Nazis were not a rightwing regime,
can you name some regimes that were in fact rightwing?
Well, if you want rightwing as a polar opposite to the Nazis, meaning extreme right anarchist, you'd have to go back a long way. The current areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan in which the government has NO control would be an anarchist example. The people in charge are the ones with the most guns and most numbers. The Pakistani gov't has no control over some parts, and the tribes rule themselves. The survival of the strongest, or most radical.
The original colonies maybe. Indians, colonists, etc, but no formal government. Again, survival of the fittest. The polar right opposite of total left wing fascism is anarchy, lack of any government control. I suppose some could even argue Mexico is nearing that status. The drug cartels have more power than the government in some spots. Or even are the government.
But the Nazis being a far left regime is factual, not comical. They are right there along with the USSR, China, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc.
The thing that misleads some liberals is that American style far left progressives are using compassion and smiling faces rather than guns and violence to gain power.
And yes, the KKK is a right wing extremist group. They hate all things government, including cops.
PoliticalChic is among the reactionary Illiterati who attempt to create a new reality and set of definitions from their asses. No respecting historian, political scientist, or researcher will play the silly game of let's "reinvent American terminology and history with guidelines and goal posts."
Okay, for those of you who comically believe the Nazis were not a rightwing regime,
can you name some regimes that were in fact rightwing?
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Can we mention the Ku Klux Klan, America's most 'renowned' rightwing organization, historically speaking,
and list every murder they committed under their banner as examples of 'assassinations'?
Now that PC has broadened the definition of what a president is, I feel that comparable degrees of loosening of definitions should be de rigueur in this thread.
Anyone want to argue that the KKK wasn't/isn't rightwing, and/or argue that they don't have a history of violence?
Comon, conservatives, your support for PC in this thread is conspicuously meager.
So did anyone make an argument that the KKK isn't rightwing?
Next question, has there every been an organization with the US that committed more violence than the KKK has in its history?
What does " every been an organization with the US" mean?
Does that mean 'within'? Oh.
Ya know, Carby...sometimes I get the sense that you are peeking in my window.
One of the books that I am currently studying is James Chace's "1912," which covers E.V.Debs, of the Socialist Party.
And, of course, his presidential campaign includes passages about the most violent organization in the US, the 'wobblies.'
Now, as an illiterate, you aren't aware of 'Big Bill' Haywood, and the International Workers of the World, and there isn't enough space to teach you, but...
1. "During its heyday before and for a decade after WWI, the IWW had a most unsavory reputation for violence."
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2. The Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.) was a radical organization in the United States that was most active between the turn of the century and the 1930s. The Wobblies, as they were known, believed there must be radical changes in American capitalism to improve the oppressive conditions that workers faced. Many I.W.W. members believed in socialist or communist ideology and some advocated whatever means necessary to effect change, including sabotage and violence... ::: Centralia Massacre Collection :::
3. "Defining Sabotage
In 1914 the organization began to publish multiple-language editions of leaflets, newspapers and stickers that advocated sabotage. The term had been used to describe a range of tactics: striking, slowing down work, or even property destruction. Historians still debate what the I.W.W. meant by "sabotage." Some believe that the I.W.W. advocated violence and assassination in their push for "direct action," while others believe the I.W.W.'s concept of sabotage was more innocent. In a famed sticker designed by Ralph Chapin, the image of a wooden shoe (sabot in Dutch, the root word for "sabotage") and an I.W.W. sun appear over a quote from William Haywood: "Sabotage means to push back, pull out or break off the fangs of Capitalism." Predictably, the I.W.W.'s sabotage resulted in supression. By 1917 some twenty states had adopted laws which criminalized acts of sabotage or violence with a political end."
American Experience | Emma Goldman | People & Events | PBS
4. The Industrial Workers of the World (IWW or the Wobblies) is an international union. At its peak in 1923, the organization claimed some 100,000 members in good standing, and could marshal the support of perhaps 300,000 workers.
Industrial Workers of the World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now, let's be clear: this anti-capitalism union was left wing.
And, since I understand actual scholarly work is beyond you, I recommend the Dos Passos "U.S.A." Trilogy, which is excellent literature, and pretty good history. It covers the period.
But it is high school level, so you may not be ready for it.
Nah, PC is a poseur, NYC. I wonder if she graduated from Liberty or Patrick Henry or Bob Jones University.
So did anyone make an argument that the KKK isn't rightwing?
Next question, has there every been an organization with the US that committed more violence than the KKK has in its history?
What does " every been an organization with the US" mean?
Does that mean 'within'? Oh.
Ya know, Carby...sometimes I get the sense that you are peeking in my window.
One of the books that I am currently studying is James Chace's "1912," which covers E.V.Debs, of the Socialist Party.
And, of course, his presidential campaign includes passages about the most violent organization in the US, the 'wobblies.'
Now, as an illiterate, you aren't aware of 'Big Bill' Haywood, and the International Workers of the World, and there isn't enough space to teach you, but...
1. "During its heyday before and for a decade after WWI, the IWW had a most unsavory reputation for violence."
JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
2. The Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.) was a radical organization in the United States that was most active between the turn of the century and the 1930s. The Wobblies, as they were known, believed there must be radical changes in American capitalism to improve the oppressive conditions that workers faced. Many I.W.W. members believed in socialist or communist ideology and some advocated whatever means necessary to effect change, including sabotage and violence... ::: Centralia Massacre Collection :::
3. "Defining Sabotage
In 1914 the organization began to publish multiple-language editions of leaflets, newspapers and stickers that advocated sabotage. The term had been used to describe a range of tactics: striking, slowing down work, or even property destruction. Historians still debate what the I.W.W. meant by "sabotage." Some believe that the I.W.W. advocated violence and assassination in their push for "direct action," while others believe the I.W.W.'s concept of sabotage was more innocent. In a famed sticker designed by Ralph Chapin, the image of a wooden shoe (sabot in Dutch, the root word for "sabotage") and an I.W.W. sun appear over a quote from William Haywood: "Sabotage means to push back, pull out or break off the fangs of Capitalism." Predictably, the I.W.W.'s sabotage resulted in supression. By 1917 some twenty states had adopted laws which criminalized acts of sabotage or violence with a political end."
American Experience | Emma Goldman | People & Events | PBS
4. The Industrial Workers of the World (IWW or the Wobblies) is an international union. At its peak in 1923, the organization claimed some 100,000 members in good standing, and could marshal the support of perhaps 300,000 workers.
Industrial Workers of the World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now, let's be clear: this anti-capitalism union was left wing.
And, since I understand actual scholarly work is beyond you, I recommend the Dos Passos "U.S.A." Trilogy, which is excellent literature, and pretty good history. It covers the period.
But it is high school level, so you may not be ready for it.
google abuse is a tragic spectacle
The question was can you name an American organization more violent than the rightwing KKK?
I'll take the above as a no.
Nah, PC is a poseur, NYC. I wonder if she graduated from Liberty or Patrick Henry or Bob Jones University.
Columbia.
Ever hear of it?
