Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[gipper]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

That's a lie. You flatter yourself by thinking you have the first clue. You don't.

It wasnt American Imperialism, it was French Imperialism that we entered the war of Viet Nam.

Whether or not the French presence was imperialistic is beside the point. We are not French. The French were gone, that's how North and South Vietnam became two separate nations like North and South Korea had. South Vietnam was our ally. We went to try to help it defend against communist invasion at their request and as obligated by treaty. Your knowledge of history sucks.

That was our mistake number two in Vietnam. After they separated north and south after the French left, we agreed to an election within five years.
When it became obvious that Ho Chi Minh would win that election easily.....we changed our mind
We preferred to allow millions to die rather than allow them to live under Communism

We agreed to aid free and honest elections but when the time approached the NVA/VC had armed troops in place to decide who would/wouldn't vote. That would not have been a free or honest election and none of the other parties involved had any intention of abiding by the results and stated so plainly. It wasn't our decision to make. Of course anti-American communist sympathizers like yourself have continued to try to somehow use that as propaganda.
Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

 

[9thIDdoc]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

 

[Mr Natural]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

 

[Dayton3]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Our fight in South Vietnam wore out China and the Soviets and in fact when the North turned on the Soviets and China that saw an end to adventurism by the Communists.

I don’t agree. The war didn’t wear them out. It did wear out the American people though. Sadly, we learned nothing from this imperialist fiasco.

Do you think millions of deaths and destruction of much of Vietnam and Cambodia was worth wear wearing out China and USSR?

yes I do. And we won in South Vietnam the dems sold out the south in 74 and 75.

Lol. Yeah we won. Then we lost.

It was clear to the US when Nixon/Ford signed the Paris Peace Accords treaty that NV wasn’t going to abide by it. So, it was a phony treaty. We declared victory and left. Then the Ds refused to get us back in the war after the SV couldn’t fight worth a shit. Good thing too.

If only our corrupt leaders had supported Ho Chi Minh in the 1950s making Vietnam a friend rather than an enemy, we could have avoided millions of deaths. Somehow this is never discussed. We never learn from our mistakes.

Wrong the South fought fine, in 1974 the dems cut off their supplies their ammo and their spare parts and then when tthe North attacked the dems refused to honor a TREATY. As for shit even with out our support the South fought for a month.

Wrong. The South couldn’t fight a paper tiger. Get informed.

retard in 72 the south fought WITHOUT US troops and stopped the North and in 75 they fought for a month out numbered and with out supplies. Learn some facts dumb ass.

Lol. Fool. Why were they without supplies? Why were they outnumbered? Shouldn’t they have been prepared?

Because the Democrats cut them off moron we supplied the South and the dems cut them off god are you really this ignorant of historical facts?

You said outnumbered. Do you know what that means? It certainly has nothing to do with the USA.

Why didn’t they properly supply their army? They had to know the US wasn’t dependable.

Has it occurred to you that they didn’t have the will to fight? They were terribly corrupt and incompetent.

Is it your opinion the US government should have returned to Vietnam and continued the war, killing millions more people?

As long as we killed communists, why not?

And South Vietnam did not have the economy capable of outfitting a modern military. North Vietnam didn't have that problem as they were lavishly supplied by the Chinese and Soviets.

 

[Dayton3]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

 

[gipper]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

Yeah our great wonderful country run by psychopaths should never be criticized.

 

[gipper]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I’m a traitor in a nation that claims it offers it’s people freedom. Apparently some Americans would prefer a much more tyrannical government that imprisons all who oppose the empire. You’d do will in Nazi Germany.

 

[Dayton3]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I’m a traitor in a nation that claims it offers it’s people freedom. Apparently some Americans would prefer a much more tyrannical government that imprisons all who oppose the empire. You’d do will in Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany hasn't existed in three quarters of a century.

Whom has the U.S. imprisoned for political reasons?

 

[gipper]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I’m a traitor in a nation that claims it offers it’s people freedom. Apparently some Americans would prefer a much more tyrannical government that imprisons all who oppose the empire. You’d do will in Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany hasn't existed in three quarters of a century.

Whom has the U.S. imprisoned for political reasons?

Oh be honest. You’d gladly imprison me and those like me.

 

[gipper]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I’m a traitor in a nation that claims it offers it’s people freedom. Apparently some Americans would prefer a much more tyrannical government that imprisons all who oppose the empire. You’d do will in Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany hasn't existed in three quarters of a century.

Whom has the U.S. imprisoned for political reasons?

Ever of a guy named Julian Assange?

 

[Desperado]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

 

[Desperado]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I agree and they defend Israel's attack on the USS Liberty, and a bunch of useless wars that the US paid for in Blood and money.

 

[Dayton3]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I’m a traitor in a nation that claims it offers it’s people freedom. Apparently some Americans would prefer a much more tyrannical government that imprisons all who oppose the empire. You’d do will in Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany hasn't existed in three quarters of a century.

Whom has the U.S. imprisoned for political reasons?

Oh be honest. You’d gladly imprison me and those like me.

Why?

 

[Dayton3]

I can agree with this, Ho Chi Mein only went communist to fund his war. But once we were in it we were in it to win it.

During WWII, France abandoned Vietnam and left them to the Japanese. Vietnam was left to fight the Japanese invaders by themselves.

After the war, Ho Chi Minh went to the western powers begging for independence claiming they had earned it. The western powers basically laughed and said......You Gooks are incapable of running your own country.

The US along with the rest of the western powers returned Vietnam to the Colonial French.

That decision led to 25 years of war and millions of deaths

That decision by the US government to support imperialism in Vietnam is but one example, albeit the most murderous, of American foreign policy since shortly after the founding.

The US today is the foremost imperialist power on the planet. It is a warrior nation for the benefit of the ultra rich.

We were in Vietnam to counter North Vietnam imperialism. Sounds like you are OK with imperialism as long as the imperialists are communist.

No. We were in Vietnam to impose imperialism.

How do you figure that?

If you think our government invaded to protect South Vietnam, you need to do some research.

Who did the U.S. invade in Southeast Asia? We never actually invaded North Vietnam.

Lol. Yeah we just bombed the shit out of them, Cambodia and Laos too. That makes it okay. Right?

Yes. That is not an "invasion".

At least the US did not try to rebuild the countries after bombing them

Yeah...now we destroy and prevent rebuilding. The US arms it’s proxies who do the murdering and destroying, then they sanction the hell out of that nation to prevent it from rebuilding. The PR is better this way. See Syria.

The Evil Empire used to be the long dead USSR. It’s now the USA. Amazingly few Americans know this. The power of government propaganda should never be discounted.

It's amazing how many alleged Americans are willing to slander their own Country. Bad habit to get in to.

There are plenty of filthy anti American bastards on political message boards.

Yes I agree and they defend Israel's attack on the USS Liberty, and a bunch of useless wars that the US paid for in Blood and money.

Whining about Israel's mistaken attack on the Liberty doesn't make someone pro American.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

 

[rightwinger]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

 

[9thIDdoc]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

 

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Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.