Veganism and health.

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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They guy on the right will dies of heart disease. Look at the veins in his arms. That is not a good thing.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

He's doing what he does often, adding to the text

I know/ And I notice he refused to answer. He knows what he's doing

 

[buttercup]

If I were an outsider reading these posts, might think Woodznutz is on our side and the three of us plotted this whole thing as he takes on the role of a foil, or a devils advocate.

But I know the truth. Clearly GOD wants this message to get out here so He uses certain individuals to constantly throw out their "arguments" so they can be addressed again and again.

It is not necessary that we win them over, but that they hear the message. Again, the Sower. After that, what they do with the seed is on them, not me or you.

That's a really good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. But as you can see from a certain hater's post to me a few posts ago... I think this is one of those "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations. If we DO respond to Woodnutz' pagings to these threads and constant recycled arguments, the response is "Here you are again, always posting on this topic!".... and if we DON'T reply, it's "You're dodging these questions because you can't answer them." lol. Whatever though. Some folks are going to be combative or nasty no matter what. Like you said, I'm not replying for Woodnutz' sake but for anyone reading who may not have been on all those previous threads and who IS even remotely open to a different point of view and getting to the actual truth.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Show me the scripture

Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. They observe this practice to this day.
^ If Christ refused to fulfill this Passover law, then he didn't come to fulfill the law, but to break it.

It is truly mind-boggling to me that anyone could think the Good Shepherd, who lays His life down for the sheep, would butcher and eat an innocent lamb. Not only does that go against the very nature of God, but it goes against God's original and ultimate design and intent. AND, flesh eating has a demonic origin... as stated in the Book of Enoch

What did God cover Adam and Eve's sin with? The bloody skin of an animal that He killed.
What did God eat with Abraham? Stew.
What did God provide for the Jews in the desert? Poor little quail.
What did Jesus cook and eat? Broiled fish.
And what throat did God instruct the Jews to slit to cover their sins? Innocent little lambs, buttercup.
What did they transfer their sins to and send out into the desert to starve to death? Innocent little goats.
What did God instruct them to eat after certain sacrifices? Butchered sacrificed little animals and birds.
^
And nothing about any of that is demonic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Veganism eschews the natural fertilization of crops using animal manures in favor of chemical fertilizers. These chemicals already have a profound environmental impact, which would be manifold times worse if veganism expands beyond its current numbers.

The Hidden Dangers of Chemical Fertilizers -- Environmental Protection

Because the damage caused by chemical fertilizers is often long-term and cumulative, it may be wiser to consider alternative and sustainable methods of fertilizing the soil.

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I don't think you understand that word you just used. You might want to look it up.

The correct word is something like "embrace", which is an antonym for "eschew".

 

[buttercup]

Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. They observe this practice to this day.
^ If Christ refused to fulfill this Passover law, then he didn't come to fulfill the law, but to break it.



What did God cover Adam and Eve's sin with? The bloody skin of an animal that He killed.
What did God eat with Abraham? Stew.
What did God provide for the Jews in the desert? Quail.
What did Jesus cook and eat? Fish.
And what throat did God instruct the Jews to slit to cover their sins? Innocent little lambs, buttercup.
What did they transfer their sins to and send out into the desert to starve to death? Innocent little goats.
What did God instruct them to eat after certain sacrifices? Sacrificed animals.
^
And nothing about any of that is demonic.

You didn't address or even acknowledge anything I said in my post to you....you only replied to one comment from many posts ago that wasn't even to or about you.

If you're going to ignore everything I say (especially after I took the time to write out a long post) then I'm not going to answer all the stuff you're leap-frogging to.

I'm sorry but that style of debating (ignoring what is said and leap-frogging to other things) is a pet peeve of mine. My (formerly) atheist dad used to debate that way with me all the time, ALWAYS ignoring everything I said and just throwing more and more stuff at me, rapid-fire, while never addressing or resolving anything, just jumping from one thing to the next.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The little icon doesn't cut it, buttercup. If you think what I just posted is fake, then point out the fake parts? Start with what God used as a substitute to cover sin until the real Lamb arrived. Innocent little lambs. True or false? We can line item it if you need that.
What did God cover Adam and Eve's sin with? You can start there.
Enlighten me...

 

[buttercup]

The little icon doesn't cut it, buttercup. If you think what I just posted is fake, then point out the fake parts? Start with what God used as a substitute to cover sin until the real Lamb arrived. Innocent little lambs. True or false? We can line item it if you need that.
What did God cover Adam and Eve's sin with? You can start there.
Enlighten me...

Again, you're not addressing my posts. Did you read my last post, from just a few minutes ago?

Plus, we've been over every single one of those things you brought up, multiple times on previous threads. Again, maybe you didn't read those threads. But every time I take the time to write out a detailed reply, it gets ignored.... and then you guys expect us to reply to other things you keep throwing against the wall, while ignoring everything that is said.

Please address my previous posts first, and then when we can go from there. That's how debate works, back and forth.... not a one-way street.

 

[buttercup]

The little icon doesn't cut it, buttercup. If you think what I just posted is fake, then point out the fake parts? Start with what God used as a substitute to cover sin until the real Lamb arrived. Innocent little lambs. True or false? We can line item it if you need that.
What did God cover Adam and Eve's sin with? You can start there.
Enlighten me...

I have gone over those things, multiple times. I'm kind of curious to know why you never participated in all those threads before... but now, on a thread about HEALTH you suddenly want to talk about all these topics? Did you simply not click on those threads before? That's kind of surprising to me, since you're a regular in the Religion section, and on the site in general.

 

[buttercup]

Here is my post to you that you didn't reply to. Maybe you missed it.

 

[The Duke]

As Carl already went over, that is not what that verse is about. The context has nothing to do with what kinds of foods are being eaten, it has to do with the tradition of washing hands before eating.

Jesus was responding to the Pharisees accusing his disciples of being defiled because they ate with unwashed hands. There was never a divine instruction to wash hands before eating, but the Pharisees practiced hand washing before meals because it was a tradition of their elders.

Jesus was not permitting animal cruelty or saying anything about what should or should not be eaten. He was commenting on the man-made tradition of washing hands before eating. He used the opportunity to teach about the importance of having our heart set first and foremost on following God rather than on keeping human traditions.

In Matthew 15:20 Jesus made it clear that He was talking specifically about handwashing, not the kinds of food being eaten:

“These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”​

There were still plenty of food prohibitions among His followers after Jesus made this statement. For example, the Book of Acts says to stay away from consuming the flesh of strangled animals, from blood, and from food offered to idols:

You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. (Acts 15:29)​

And in Revelation 2:20 it says false teachings mislead the church into eating food offered to idols:

“Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols”​

It's also a false idea that Jesus declared "all foods clean." We've gone over this numerous times on other threads. What the modern mainstream Church bases that on is a comment ADDED to the scriptures, by a translator.

Let's look at the Matthew 15 passage again. I'm going to highlight the pertinent part for what I'm about to say:

But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and those things defile the person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, acts of adultery, other immoral sexual acts, thefts, false testimonies, and slanderous statements. 20 These are the things that defile the person; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the person.”​

Even though that Matthew passage had nothing to do with which kinds of food are acceptable to eat, let’s assume for the sake of argument that we can derive an underlying principle from that exchange to base our dietary decisions on. What logical conclusion would that lead us to? God says to do everything in love and if one claims to obey God but one's actions and attitude toward animals suggest anything but love, then what is coming out of that person's mouth are hypocritical lies, and it is those lies that defile you.

Since God is love, we should be very careful not to forsake love in favor of violence (Proverbs 3:31) or serving the desires of the flesh. (Galatians 5:17)

Instead of loving the bloodthirsty appetites of the flesh, we are commanded to love mercy: “He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8)

As for the other stuff you brought up, I'll try to get back to this thread later....But again, we've been over all of these arguments over and over, on numerous threads. Maybe you haven't participated in those threads, so I don't mind going over it again with someone who hasn't read those threads.

But the bottom line is this: God's perfect will is stated very clearly in the beginning (Genesis 1:29-30) and in the end (Isaiah 11:6-9)... Everything in between is this fallen world, and NOT God's perfect will.

As Christians, we are taught to want to honor God's PERFECT will, on earth as it is in Heaven. (see the video in my previous post.) In Heaven there is no cruelty, exploitation, selfishness, violence and killing.

Please ask yourself this question, but I hope you really think about it: When you have the choice between mercy OR contributing to abuse, suffering and brutal killing.....why choose the latter, when it's completely unnecessary? Why go against what God commands us to do, throughout the Bible, choose MERCY? God said "BLESSED are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy."

___

ETA: I want to state that some of what I posted above was pasted with permission from a teaching on this topic from a friend of mine who has a Master’s degree in Religious Studies with a focus on first century Christianity.

I find it odd you have no real links to any of that.

 

[buttercup]

I find it odd you have no real links to any of that.

Links to the early church fathers writings? For most of them I posted the book and chapter. It took a lot of time to write out that post. But since I can't edit that post now, and since it's past dinner time for me.... honestly the last thing I want to do right now is round up numerous links, or respond to the rapid-fire list of OTHER points that are getting thrown out, especially when the person I was posting to completely ignored my previous post.

I DO want to reply to those things again though, after she addresses the points I brought up in my previous posts. Maybe not tonight, since I have something I'm doing tonight, but sometime soon.

 

[The Duke]

Links to the early church fathers writings? For most of them I posted the book and chapter. It took a lot of time to write out that post. But since I can't edit that post now, and since it's past dinner time for me.... honestly the last thing I want to do right now is round up numerous links, or respond to the rapid-fire list of OTHER points that are getting thrown out, especially when the person I was posting to completely ignored my previous post.

I DO want to reply to those things again though, after she addresses the points I brought up in my previous posts. Maybe not tonight, since I have something I'm doing tonight, but sometime soon.

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 15-20 - King James Version

Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For...

www.biblegateway.com

This chapter shoots your narrative to farts, ok?

 

[buttercup]

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 15-20 - King James Version

Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For...

www.biblegateway.com

This chapter shoots your narrative to farts, ok?

LOL. I just went over that passage earlier. Maybe you didn't see it. I'll post it again.....

As Carl already went over, that is not what that verse is about. The context has nothing to do with what kinds of foods are being eaten, it has to do with the tradition of washing hands before eating.

Jesus was responding to the Pharisees accusing his disciples of being defiled because they ate with unwashed hands. There was never a divine instruction to wash hands before eating, but the Pharisees practiced hand washing before meals because it was a tradition of their elders.

Jesus was not permitting animal cruelty or saying anything about what should or should not be eaten. He was commenting on the man-made tradition of washing hands before eating. He used the opportunity to teach about the importance of having our heart set first and foremost on following God rather than on keeping human traditions.

In Matthew 15:20 Jesus made it clear that He was talking specifically about handwashing, not the kinds of food being eaten:

“These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”​

There were still plenty of food prohibitions among His followers after Jesus made this statement. For example, the Book of Acts says to stay away from consuming the flesh of strangled animals, from blood, and from food offered to idols:


You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. (Acts 15:29)

And in Revelation 2:20 it says false teachings mislead the church into eating food offered to idols:

“Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols”​

It's also a false idea that Jesus declared "all foods clean." We've gone over this numerous times on other threads. What the modern mainstream Church bases that on is a comment ADDED to the scriptures, by a translator.

Let's look at the Matthew 15 passage again. I'm going to highlight the pertinent part for what I'm about to say:

But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and those things defile the person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, acts of adultery, other immoral sexual acts, thefts, false testimonies, and slanderous statements. 20 These are the things that defile the person; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the person.”​

Even though that Matthew passage had nothing to do with which kinds of food are acceptable to eat, let’s assume for the sake of argument that we can derive an underlying principle from that exchange to base our dietary decisions on. What logical conclusion would that lead us to? God says to do everything in love and if one claims to obey God but one's actions and attitude toward animals suggest anything but love, then what is coming out of that person's mouth are hypocritical lies, and it is those lies that defile you.

Since God is love, we should be very careful not to forsake love in favor of violence (Proverbs 3:31) or serving the desires of the flesh. (Galatians 5:17)

Instead of loving the bloodthirsty appetites of the flesh, we are commanded to love mercy: “He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8)

As for the other stuff you brought up, I'll try to get back to this thread later....But again, we've been over all of these arguments over and over, on numerous threads. Maybe you haven't participated in those threads, so I don't mind going over it again with someone who hasn't read those threads.

But the bottom line is this: God's perfect will is stated very clearly in the beginning (Genesis 1:29-30) and in the end (Isaiah 11:6-9)... Everything in between is this fallen world, and NOT God's perfect will.

As Christians, we are taught to want to honor God's PERFECT will, on earth as it is in Heaven. (see the video in my previous post.) In Heaven there is no cruelty, exploitation, selfishness, violence and killing.

Please ask yourself this question, but I hope you really think about it: When you have the choice between mercy OR contributing to abuse, suffering and brutal killing.....why choose the latter, when it's completely unnecessary? Why go against what God commands us to do, throughout the Bible, choose MERCY? God said "BLESSED are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy."

 

[The Duke]

LOL. I just went over that passage earlier. Maybe you didn't see it. I'll post it again.....

As Carl already went over, that is not what that verse is about. The context has nothing to do with what kinds of foods are being eaten, it has to do with the tradition of washing hands before eating.

Jesus was responding to the Pharisees accusing his disciples of being defiled because they ate with unwashed hands. There was never a divine instruction to wash hands before eating, but the Pharisees practiced hand washing before meals because it was a tradition of their elders.

Jesus was not permitting animal cruelty or saying anything about what should or should not be eaten. He was commenting on the man-made tradition of washing hands before eating. He used the opportunity to teach about the importance of having our heart set first and foremost on following God rather than on keeping human traditions.

In Matthew 15:Bihh..20 Jesus made it clear that He was talking specifically about handwashing, not the kinds of food being eaten:

“These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”​

There were still plenty of food prohibitions among His followers after Jesus made this statement. For example, the Book of Acts says to stay away from consuming the flesh of strangled animals, from blood, and from food offered to idols:


You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. (Acts 15:29)

And in Revelation 2:20 it says false teachings mislead the church into eating food offered to idols:

“Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herselfBihh.. a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols”​

It's also a false idea that Jesus declared "all foods clean." We've gone over this numerous times on other threads. What the modern mainstream Church bases that on is a comment ADDED to the scriptures, by a translator.

Let's look at the Matthew 15 passage again. I'm going to highlight the pertinent part for what I'm about to say:

But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and those things defile the person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, acts of adultery, other immoral sexual acts, thefts, false testimonies, and slanderous statements. 20 These are the things that defile the person; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the person.”​

Even though that Matthew passage had nothing to do with which kinds of food are acceptable to eat, let’s assume for the sake of argument that we can derive an underlying principle from that exchange to base our dietary decisions on. What logical conclusion would that lead us to? God says to do everything in love and if one claims to obey God but one's actions and attitude toward animals suggest anything but love, then what is coming out of that person's mouth are hypocritical lies, and it is those lies that defile you.

Since God is love, we should be very careful not to forsake love in favor of violence (Proverbs 3:31) or serving the desires of the flesh. (Galatians 5:17)

Instead of loving the bloodthirsty appetites of the flesh, we are commanded to love mercy: “He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8)

As for the other stuff you brought up, I'll try to get back to this thread later....But again, we've been over all of these arguments over and over, on numerous threads. Maybe you haven't participated in those threads, so I don't mind going over it again with someone who hasn't read those threads.

But the bottom line is this: God's perfect will is stated very clearly in the beginning (Genesis 1:29-30) and in the end (Isaiah 11:6-9)... Everything in between is this fallen world, and NOT God's perfect will.

As Christians, we are taught to want to honor God's PERFECT will, on earth as it is in Heaven. (see the video in my previous post.) In Heaven there is no cruelty, exploitation, selfishness, violence and killing.

Please ask youBihh..rself this question, but I hope you really think about it: When you have the choice between mercy OR contributing to abuse, suffering and brutal killing.....why choose the latter, when it's completely unnecessary? Why go against what God commands us to do, throughout the Bible, choose MERCY? God said "BLESSED are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy."

Jesus and friends fed fish and bread to the masses. Around 4K or so, I think?
Animal slaughter is a fact of the human condition.
We wouldn't have to eat meat if it wasn't fer wimmen. Prove me wrong!

"And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken meat that was left seven baskets full."

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 15-20 - King James Version

Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For...

www.biblegateway.com

O wow, that is such a good chapter!
And that's how it was!

 

[buttercup]

Animal slaughter is a fact of the human condition.
We wouldn't have to eat meat if it wasn't fer wimmen. Prove me wrong!

Oh man, now YOU'RE doing the leap-frog thing!

The bottom line: Animal slaughter is NOT God's perfect will, especially needless animal slaughter!

As I said to The Irish Ram, God's perfect will is stated very clearly in Genesis 1:29-30 and in the prophetic scriptures about God's restoration of that peaceful world that was HIS design and intent for all creation in the first place, for example Isaiah 11:6-9.

Everything in between is this fallen world. However Christians are taught to have an eternal perspective and to honor God's perfect will, as opposed to God's permissive will. ("On earth as it is in Heaven")

So if we have choice between being merciful and honoring God's true intent and perfect will.... versus needlessly participating in the horror show that goes on everyday in the animal industries, why choose the latter? Don't get me wrong. For non-Christians, I don't expect them to honor God's perfect will or do anything other than what the world considers normal. But I'm talking specifically to practicing Christians. We are commanded to be merciful, to do all things in love, to be gentle and peaceful, not violent and exploitative. And to treat others the way we want to be treated. None of those things go along with needlessly participating in the horror show of the animal industries today.

Here's that video of mine that I posted earlier.... again, this is for Christians. I don't expect non-Christians to live by the same standard as Christians.




And while I'm at it, here's another video to watch, from my channel:

 

[The Duke]

Oh man, now YOU'RE doing the leap-frog thing!

The bottom line: Animal slaughter is NOT God's perfect will, especially needless animal slaughter!

As I said to The Irish Ram, God's perfect will is stated very clearly in Genesis 1:29-30 and in the prophetic scriptures about God's restoration of that peaceful world that was HIS design and intent for all creation in the first place, for example Isaiah 11:6-9.

Everything in between is this fallen world. However Christians are taught to have an eternal perspective and to honor God's perfect will, as opposed to God's permissive will. ("On earth as it is in Heaven")

So if we have choice between being merciful and honoring God's true intent and perfect will.... versus needlessly participating in the horror show that goes on everyday in the animal industries, why choose the latter? Don't get me wrong. For non-Christians, I don't expect them to honor God's perfect will or do anything other than what the world considers normal. But I'm talking specifically to practicing Christians. We are commanded to be merciful, to do all things in love, to be gentle and peaceful, not violent and exploitative. And to treat others the way we want to be treated. None of those things go along with needlessly participating in the horror show of the animal industries today.

Here's that video of mine that I posted earlier.... again, this is for Christians. I don't expect non-Christians to live by the same standard as Christians.




And while I'm at it, here's another video to watch, from my channel:

I give zero cares what your standard is. You are not the arbiter. Jesus is.
Due to this thread, I'm going to go get me a pack of tasty little piglet
chops in the early AM and cook 'em and eat 'em! Woo!

 

[buttercup]

I give zero cares what your standard is. You are not the arbiter. Jesus is.
Due to this thread, I'm going to go get me a pack of tasty little piglet
chops in the early AM and cook 'em and eat 'em! Woo!

What? That makes zero sense. I'm not the one who wrote the numerous verses commanding us to be merciful! I'm not the one who commanded us to love and do all things in love. GOD did.

You DO realize, don't you, that when Jesus returns there will be no more flesh eating? The world is going to basically be a restoration of the Garden of Eden, but even better. In the Garden of Eden there was no flesh eating. So if you don't like that, you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with GOD, since God is going to restore HIS original design and true intent for all creation, that never changed! Because God does not change.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yup. My reason for going vegan had nothing to do with health. BUT it just so happened to make me much healthier, as I've mentioned many times on other threads.

What do I want to put in my body....decaying corpses of animals who were abused, tortured and begged for mercy til their last moment? Or REAL food that we were designed to eat from the start?

Since our bodies are temples, I think the answer to that question is clear:

There is nothing in that image that defiles the temple. Our bodies are temples and nothing taken outwardly in can defile it. Not the picture on the left nor the one on the right.
And that is what I saw and responded to because it contradicts what scripture says. And then quoted the scriptures to support my claim. And then I read on another page that Jesus didn't eat meat or fish, so I offered up the scripture that disproves that theory.
If you want to believe that Jesus never ate fish, that's fine, but it contradicts scripture. If you want to believe that meat defiles the temple, go ahead and think that. It contradicts what Jesus says though...the scripture.

 

[buttercup]

There is nothing in that image that defiles the temple. Our bodies are temples and nothing taken outwardly in can defile it. Not the picture on the left nor the one on the right.
And that is what I saw and responded to because it contradicts what scripture says. And then quoted the scriptures to support my claim. And then I read on another page that Jesus didn't eat meat or fish, so I offered up the scripture that disproves that theory.
If you want to believe that Jesus never ate fish, that's fine, but it contradicts scripture. If you want to believe that meat defiles the temple, go ahead and think that. It contradicts what Jesus says though...the scripture.

I didn't say that meat defiles the temple. I said that the passage you brought up wasn't about eating anything we want. The context was eating with unwashed hands and putting man-made traditions above obeying God. As I said in post #129, there were still plenty of food prohibitions after Jesus made that statement. For example, abstaining from consuming the flesh of strangled animals, from blood, and from food offered to idols, as it says in Acts. And Revelation 2:20, which also talks about eating of food sacrificed to idols.

Yes, our bodies are a temple. So why would you want it to be a tomb of abused, exploited animals who literally begged for their life before being brutally slaughtered? Especially when it's completley unnecessary.

What goes along more with the Fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness and self-control) - showing love and mercy and honoring God's perfect will which is peace and harmony among all creation...Or participating in cruelty and abuse, when it is completely unnecessary? That's the part you are ignoring. You are acting as if "meat" is just an object that is completely detached from anything bad. That ignores the reality. In today's world the animal industries are horribly exploitative and cruel... many of the practices are diabolical. When you partake in that, you are supporting that cruelty, which goes against numerous commands and God's statement that animal cruelty is wickedness. (Proverbs 12:10)

Also, flesh eating has a demonic origin. It started with the Nephilim, who had ravenous appetites and started eating animals, people, anything. That's why the earth was filled with violence at that time (before the flood) mainly because of the Nephilim and their violent ways. The Book of Enoch talks about that. Just because God allows bad things to happen in this world doesn't mean it's what He wants from us. He wants MERCY. So if we have the choice, why choose something that was never God's idea or intent for this world in the first place? Again, God's perfect will is clearly stated in the beginning (Genesis 1:29-30) and in the prophetic scriptures about the future, when God restores that initial world of peace and harmony that was His intent in the first place.

As for the many other things you brought up, that's going to have to wait until another time, because I've already spent too much time on this forum today. And as I keep saying, we've been over those things many times before. I'll probably end up copy/pasting some of my previous replies on other threads, in reply to the list of things you brought up tonight, instead of writing them all out again.