Vance does it again

[Coyote]

Sandmann was a 16 year old being harassed by a liberal crazy. He thought if he smiled the act would be non threatening and defuse a volatile situation. He didn't get up in front of television cameras voluntarily or in a belief his career would be advanced. He didn't agree to be "interviewed". He was victimized from the very beginning.

Once that girl agreed to appear in front of cameras she opened herself up to every kind of criticism the world can hold. And it was only her inability to verbally express herself. Some are mercilessly criticized for everything from their hair, to the color of their toenails. Look at what the democrats did to Monica Lewinsky. You want criticism, they made her name into a VERB and still do to this very day, decades after she became "the news".

There was no difference between two. You just want there to be to excuse rotten behavior. She wasn’t a political person at all. She wasn’t a public person. But someone decided to use a clip of her, when she was 17, and make a joke.

Monica Lewinsky was an adult who did what she did knowingly and willingly (and that isn’t excusing Bill either). She was a public figure.

You should be perfectly fine then with how Sandmann was treated but I doubt it. So

It is always different when it is one of your own doing the attacking.

 

[Coyote]

Are you saying she was mishandled by her parents? Because that's where all blame should go. And, she's 34 years old now. 34! Get over yourself lady.

I have no idea what her parents did or did not do nor is it really relevant.

What this is, and the only thing it is, is another excuse for communist democrats to clutch their pearls and head for the fainting couch.

Like Sandmann, right? An excuse for the rightists to get all fauxraged about?

 

[lafayette]

Signing a release form. Appearing on television. Appearing in a publicity fueled pageant, al make one a public figure. Any one of them would. All of them definitely make her a public figure. If she is that sensitive, she should never have appeared in the pageant. When she's done over reacting, she can get on with her life.

Her attackers can shut up

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I have no idea what her parents did or did not do nor is it really relevant.



Like Sandmann, right? An excuse for the rightists to get all fauxraged about?

Sandmann won his lawsuit against the Washington Post because he did not do anything. He didn't sign a release to make a fool of himself in a pageant. He was standing there waiting for a bus.

You do admit that this girl voluntarily entered this pageant. She voluntarily got on television and agreed to answer questions. How much of that did Nick Sandmann do?

What her parents did is absolutely relevant. She was a minor. They let her be humiliated and yes, really, yes, she deserved every bit of it. I hope she learned something from the experience.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Her attackers can shut up

She deserved it all. It's a lesson.

 

[Coyote]

Sandmann won his lawsuit against the Washington Post because he did not do anything. He didn't sign a release to make a fool of himself in a pageant. He was standing there waiting for a bus.

As he deserved to.

You do admit that this girl voluntarily entered this pageant. She voluntarily got on television and agreed to answer questions. How much of that did Nick Sandmann do?

She was 17 and a minor.

What her parents did is absolutely relevant. She was a minor. They let her be humiliated and yes, really, yes, she deserved every bit of it. I hope she learned something from the experience.

Her parents have nothing to do with the fact that a supposed adult decided to ressurrect that old footage and use it to make a public joke about her. It is cruel. It was Vance’s choice. And doubling down instead saying “ya, I shouldn’t have done that, I’m sorry” and moving on shows what a jerk he is. And of course what does tbe MAGA crowd do? Blame her.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

As he deserved to.




She was 17 and a minor.




Her parents have nothing to do with the fact that a supposed adult decided to ressurrect that old footage and use it to make a public joke about her. It is cruel. It was Vance’s choice. And doubling down instead saying “ya, I shouldn’t have done that, I’m sorry” and moving on shows what a jerk he is. And of course what does tbe MAGA crowd do? Blame her.

Sandmann deserved to be waiting for a bus? Absolutely. He sued for 250 million dollars but the settlement amount is undisclosed.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel but this girl's performance was entirely her own fault and if it's resurrected a couple of decades later she can chalk it up to living in a free country. She gets no sympathy. Very few of us haven't done something egregiously embarassing. You suck it up and go on.

 

[Coyote]

Sandmann deserved to be waiting for a bus? Absolutely. He sued for 250 million dollars but the settlement amount is undisclosed.

No. He deserved to sue.

You can twist yourself into a pretzel but this girl's performance was entirely her own fault and if it's resurrected a couple of decades later she can chalk it up to living in a free country. She gets no sympathy. Very few of us haven't done something egregiously embarassing. You suck it up and go on.

No twisting involved. Monica Lewinsky was a real twist and you are sympathetic with her?

You suck it up, but then most people don’t have a political candidate dredging it up years later to publicize either.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No. He deserved to sue.



No twisting involved. Monica Lewinsky was a real twist and you are sympathetic with her?

You suck it up, but then most people don’t have a political candidate dredging it up years later to publicize either.

That's the risk you run when you do something really really stupid. Of course Monica Lewinsky didn't deserve what was done to her. She was NEVER allowed to live a normal life. She was hounded out a marriage. Beyonce made a song out of the blue dress just a couple of years ago. How many decades after the affair with Clinton?

This girl got a bit of ribbing and that's all. Of course if she wants to cry and moan and put her tear stained face in front of every passing camera, she deserves everything that happens to her.

And her clip is directly appropriate to use against Commiela the brain damaged.

 

[Picaro]

We dont have to make things up about Vance, he's just weird all on his own.

For example, he believes that womens should stay in violent relationships like his grandmother did. He credits his grandparents with "saving his life". But his grandparents staying together didn't raise his mother to be a strong person. She was an drug addict, and alcoholic who impulsively formed relationships with violent and abusive men. Her parents staying together certainly didn't do much for his mother's success in life.

His granma became a black Democrat? That is indeed weird. Great point!

 

[Chillicothe]

a supposed adult decided to ressurrect that old footage and use it to make a public joke about her. It is cruel. It was Vance’s choice. And doubling down instead saying “ya, I shouldn’t have done that, I’m sorry” and moving on shows what a jerk he is. And of course what does tbe MAGA crowd do? Blame her.

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My avatar will double-down and agree wholeheartedly with poster Coyote's observation.

Again, this is an adult man running for high office with a ginormous megaphone to millions and millions of people. And he thought it was a appropriate and funny joke to have some jackass internet troller find a clip of a young teenage girl having public embarrassing moment....17years ago! When the girl was only 17.

Yeah, that's manly. That's responsible. That's empathetic. That's a father of girls. And that is NOT a joke. But this unaware dunderheaded Dad thinks ridiculing the unfortunate history of striving, dreaming, 17 year old girl is funny.

Count me skeptical.
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She gets no sympathy. Very few of us haven't done something egregiously embarassing. You suck it up and go on.

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Of course you suck it up. As that girl....that young 17yr old girl learned to do. And did.

But then, 17 years later.....we have an adult man striving for high office using this woman's teenage embarrassment to advance his career. He should be ashamed, and the mother of his children should be ashamed of him.

A simple apology would have made Vance NOT be an egregious and callous dolt.
But instead, he turned her pain into his idea of what is funny and what entertains his followers.

Any criticism of Vance arising from this incident is deserved. Richly deserved. Most especially that he is a father. He should know better. He needs to learn better if he is to be a good father.
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This girl got a bit of ribbing and that's all. Of course if she wants to cry and moan and put her tear stained face in front of every passing camera, she deserves everything that happens to her.

"A bit of ribbing"........ very publicly ridiculed by a man who wants to be a leader of the United States. And doing it 17 years after the fact so that he can make a cruel and callous comparison and then calling it only a joke.....and that he found her pain funny.

That ain't leadership. That ain't a good man who is a good father.
You know that. Everybody knows that.

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.And her clip is directly appropriate to use against Commiela the brain damaged.

Your obsession and fear of a strong, educated and intelligent woman tells us more about your deficiencies in those areas than it does about any candidate.

 

[Coyote]

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My avatar will double-down and agree wholeheartedly with poster Coyote's observation.

Again, this is an adult man running for high office with a ginormous megaphone to millions and millions of people. And he thought it was a appropriate and funny joke to have some jackass internet troller find a clip of a young teenage girl having public embarrassing moment....17years ago! When the girl was only 17.

Yeah, that's manly. That's responsible. That's empathetic. That's a father of girls. And that is NOT a joke. But this unaware dunderheaded Dad thinks ridiculing the unfortunate history of striving, dreaming, 17 year old girl is funny.

Count me skeptical.
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Of course you suck it up. As that girl....that young 17yr old girl learned to do. And did.

But then, 17 years later.....we have an adult man striving for high office using this woman's teenage embarrassment to advance his career. He should be ashamed, and the mother of his children should be ashamed of him.

A simple apology would have made Vance NOT be an egregious and callous dolt.
But instead, he turned her pain into his idea of what is funny and what entertains his followers.

Any criticism of Vance arising from this incident is deserved. Richly deserved. Most especially that he is a father. He should know better. He needs to learn better if he is to be a good father.
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"A bit of ribbing"........ very publicly ridiculed by a man who wants to be a leader of the United States. And doing it 17 years after the fact so that he can make a cruel and callous comparison and then calling it only a joke.....and that he found her pain funny.

That ain't leadership. That ain't a good man who is a good father.
You know that. Everybody knows that.

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Your obsession and fear of a strong, educated and intelligent woman tells us more about your deficiencies in those areas than it does about any candidate.

Well said.

I, for one, am tired of children stuck in Jr High running for office and being applauded for bad behavior.

The right has lost sight of “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” and their endless quest to lower the bar is dragging everyone down.

 

[MisterBeale]

Sandmann won his lawsuit against the Washington Post because he did not do anything. He didn't sign a release to make a fool of himself in a pageant. He was standing there waiting for a bus.

You do admit that this girl voluntarily entered this pageant. She voluntarily got on television and agreed to answer questions. How much of that did Nick Sandmann do?

What her parents did is absolutely relevant. She was a minor. They let her be humiliated and yes, really, yes, she deserved every bit of it. I hope she learned something from the experience.

It was appealed and he lost.

Three-judge panel upholds dismissal of Nick Sandmann's lawsuits against news outlets​

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2023/08/16/nick-sandmann-loses-appeal-in-defamation-suits-against-news-outlets/70605892007/

The MSM and the establishment don't give a shit about teens or anyone's rights. They really don't.

. . . and now? Coyote expects me to care about this nakedly partisan attack on Vance's free speech, when the propaganda organs of the STATE? THEY REALLY DON'T CARE!


The mass government and global corporations don't give a shit about anyone, yet Coyote bleevs what they are doing in this instance of propaganda is legit, attacking Vance for something they do as well. What the hell ever.

It doesn't matter that she opposed what was done to Sandman if she continues to defend dumb ass propaganda that doesn't give a shit about anyone, either way.

 

[MisterBeale]

The right has lost sight of “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” and their endless quest to lower the bar is dragging everyone down.

. . . and if the left and establishment hadn't started all that? Then you would have nothing to whine about.

You can say you don't approve of the Sandman controversy, but facts are facts.

The establishment has double standards, which you sit there and refuse to acknowledge.

 

[MisterBeale]

And doubling down instead saying “ya, I shouldn’t have done that, I’m sorry” and moving on shows what a jerk he is.

. . and the mass media did the same to Sandmann, did it publish a bunch of stories telling the public how they deceptively edited a narrative?

NOPE. I saw you even post in this thread, yoar impressions OF A LIE, yet you still bleev it?

He was a kid, he did something stupid like kids do

He didn't do anything wrong. His group was there doing touristy things, and both the Black Israelites and that native American came over to harass them.

. . then the mass media lied, you obviously believed the lie, and the establishment never made sure to propagate the truth or apologize. Many of them just settled and wanted their lie to be memory holed.

". . Numerous national media outlets painted Sandmann and his classmates as menacing — and in some cases racist — after an edited video emerged of Sandmann smiling, inches away from the face of Nathan Phillips, an elderly Native American man, while attending the March for Life on the National Mall. A more complete video of the encounter, which emerged later, showed that Phillips had approached the Covington students and begun drumming in their faces, prompting them to respond with school chants. . . "

CNN Settles Lawsuit Brought by Covington Catholic Student Nicholas Sandmann | National Review

CNN agreed Tuesday to settle a lawsuit brought by Covington Catholic High School student Nicholas Sandmann.

www.nationalreview.com

See? The establishment lies, does not care about its lies, nor does it apologize. Why the hell should anyone care about this? You might NOT have approved of what they did to Sandmann, but the fact is, they are biased and do it. THEY DON'T CARE. They are nakedly partisan, and only an idiot can't see this.

(Hmmmmm. . . I guess that makes Vance better than the left here?)

Post number NINE. That should have ended this thread, because it is A FACT!

. . your partisan ignorance on this whole thing? Just reinforces the strength of my position. Sorry you lost this one Coyote.

The establishment does not care, so why should I?

 

[Coyote]

. . and the mass media did the same to Sandmann, did it publish a bunch of stories telling the public how they deceptively edited a narrative?

Exactly. And hence he sued and won. What is your point?

NOPE. I saw you even post in this thread, yoar impressions OF A LIE, yet you still bleev it?

What are you talking about?

He didn't do anything wrong. His group was there doing touristy things, and both the Black Israelites and that native American came over to harass them.

His behavior is debatable depending on who you believe, however it is completely irrelevant. Even if he was an ass, he was a KID.

. . then the mass media lied, you obviously believed the lie, and the establishment never made sure to propagate the truth or apologize. Many of them just settled and wanted their lie to be memory holed.

". . Numerous national media outlets painted Sandmann and his classmates as menacing — and in some cases racist — after an edited video emerged of Sandmann smiling, inches away from the face of Nathan Phillips, an elderly Native American man, while attending the March for Life on the National Mall. A more complete video of the encounter, which emerged later, showed that Phillips had approached the Covington students and begun drumming in their faces, prompting them to respond with school chants. . . "

CNN Settles Lawsuit Brought by Covington Catholic Student Nicholas Sandmann | National Review

CNN agreed Tuesday to settle a lawsuit brought by Covington Catholic High School student Nicholas Sandmann.

www.nationalreview.com

See? The establishment lies, does not care about its lies, nor does it apologize. Why the hell should anyone care about this? You might NOT have approved of what they did to Sandmann, but the fact is, they are biased and do it. THEY DON'T CARE. They are nakedly partisan, and only an idiot can't see this.

See…I don’t much care. It is irrelevant. He was a kid. You don’t do this to kids. End of argument.

Your obsession with “nakedly partisan” seems to omit rightwing media.

(Hmmmmm. . . I guess that makes Vance better than the left here?)

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Why am I supposed care about what an anonymous messageboard member said?

Post number NINE. That should have ended this thread, because it is A FACT!

. . your partisan ignorance on this whole thing? Just reinforces the strength of my position. Sorry you lost this one Coyote.

The establishment does not care, so why should I?

Post number nine is a pathetic joke.

You are referring to a man who has spent his life bullying, frivolously suing to intimidate and punching down on people smaller than he is. You are referring to someone who is a master media manipulator, thrives the media spot light and says the most outrageous things to maintain that attention and convince his base that he (and they) are “victims” of the “establishment”. You do realize, right, that this has been, for Trump, endless rounds of free political publicity?

He’s good. I’ll give him that. You’ve bought into it hook, line and sinker to the point where you won’t even push back when lines are crossed.

By the way, it isn’t the first time lines have been crossed in political campaign ads, but it’s the first I’ve seen that has used a non-political person to make the butt of their campaign joke.

Win, lose…is this a contest or something?

 

[MisterBeale]

His behavior is debatable depending on who you believe,

I can't take any of your arguments in this thread seriously, if you believe that garbage..

I saw the extended video.

This is the problem with MASS MEDIA and the propaganda.

If you won't acknowledge that, none of what you write can be serious.

You are referring to a man who has spent his life bullying, frivolously suing to intimidate and punching down on people smaller than he is. You are referring to someone who is a master media manipulator, thrives the media spot light and says the most outrageous things to maintain that attention and convince his base that he (and they) are “victims” of the “establishment”. You do realize, right, that this has been, for Trump, endless rounds of free political publicity?

Now you are just making stuff up. This only became the narrative AFTER he ran for POTUS and won.

Win, lose…is this a contest or something?

Yup. We lose our republic when you let these corporatist propaganda mouth pieces fool you into destroying the First Amendment.

. . . but then? Maybe that is what you want too? I dunno.

You don’t do this to kids. End of argument.

You are now, just parroting the propagandists. That is my point.

They did not care then, so I do not see why I should care now.

. . . and the lawsuits never fell in the favor of the small people. They don't care about this girl, they really don't. This is just a political argument. I won't fall far it, sorry.

 

[Coyote]

I can't take any of your arguments in this thread seriously, if you believe that garbage..

I saw the extended video.

This is the problem with MASS MEDIA and the propaganda.

If you won't acknowledge that, none of what you write can be serious.


Now you are just making stuff up. This only became the narrative AFTER he ran for POTUS and won.



Yup. We lose our republic when you let these corporatist propaganda mouth pieces fool you into destroying the First Amendment.

. . . but then? Maybe that is what you want too? I dunno.


You are now, just parroting the propagandists. That is my point.

They did not care then, so I do not see why I should care now.

. . . and the lawsuits never fell in the favor of the small people. They don't care about this girl, they really don't. This is just a political argument. I won't fall far it, sorry.

Trumps behavior vis a vis bullying and lawsuits is a matter record. No one PAID ATTENTION (other than his victims) before he entered politics. When you are rich and powerful.you get away with a lot and very little public scrutiny. When you enter politics, that all changes.

The lawsuits never went to court. They were intended to shut down complaints (what you like to call free speech). Most people can’t afford to go to court and fight it.

“They” might not care, but SHE did.

You claim I’m parroting propagandists but you are sunk so deep into orange victimology I do not think you realize what you are parroting.

 

[surada]

Are you striving to be an even worse drama queen than that pageant contestant?

She was 17. What's Vance's excuse? Vance is a loser. Under that beard he's just a flabby inbred....

 

[MisterBeale]

You claim I’m parroting propagandists but you are sunk so deep into orange victimology I do not think you realize what you are parroting.

If the establishment and mass media didn't think it was a big deal when they did it to Sandmann, and threw out the case then?

. . . then clearly the establishment is just playing politics with this now.

It has nothing to do with Trump, other than the establishment believes he is a threat to the warfare/welfare system.

I'm not the one that has double standards.

Just because you didn't agree with what they did to Sandmann, does not mean you aren't excusing the mass media's behavior NOW, after I point out the clear hypocrisy.

You just don't care. Anything to get orange man bad, right? "Ends justify the means," and all that nonsense?

First Amendment be damned.





Sorry, I respectfully disagree. Trump and his VP can go to hell for all I care. The only thing that matters are the people's civil rights and civil liberties, and as there is no lawsuit on this stoopid controversy, no one's rights are being violated. That you WANT to violate and destroy the Constitution just to get orange man bad?


meh, whatever. I'm more concerned with the rights of Americans, not the behavior of certain individuals. I'm fully aware of what I am defending, THE FIRST AMENDMENT!

U.S. Constitution - First Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

The OP hates America, Americans, and their bill of rights. This isn't up for debate.

He continually calls America and Americans, "the colonists."

Like this piece of shit isn't aware of history.

I continually find this rhetoric hateful and disrespectful.

We now have this rule;
"USMB is not a "hate" site and we will not condone such behavior. We do not allow posts that include racial slurs, pejoratives, or religiously bigoted statements.
Such offenses will receive a first time warning and a second offense will result in an extended, if not permanent, ban."

I find whenever these commonwealth subversives use the tern, "colonists," on a message board devoted to Americans, who discuss their freedom and liberty, it is disrespectful of every American who fought and died for the principles in the Constitution.

It seems? It seems, you don't really give a damn about the Constitution anymore. If this type of shit bothers you so much, I have a suggestion. . . MOVE TO CANADA!

He might as well just call every American on this forum the "N" word. I AM SICK OF IT! If we are now going to have hate-speech codes, he should not be allowed to use such hateful and disrespectful language!

IMO? This asshole needs a warning and a banning for every time he uses the pejorative; "colonists."

Which is many many times, like all the crown subversives on here that hate Americans.

I know what this thread is about. . . YOU apparently haven't the first clue.