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When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.
When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

Where is the science that says mrna vaccines weaken your immune system and those who were infected naturally are better off? :laugh::laugh:
Not so hard to find if one is competent at basic internet/web searching, ...
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January 26, 2021

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19​

At a Glance​

  • The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
  • The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.

...​

After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them.

All of these immune-system components have been found in people who recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But the details of this immune response and how long it lasts after infection have been unclear. Scattered reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 have raised concerns that the immune response to the virus might not be durable.
...
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
...
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Obviously, after little more than a year of global exposure and infection from Covid-19, research results will be a bit varied and debatable, so the following other articles on immunity needed to be considered in that perspective;

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?​


Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that’s comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine​


Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years​

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.
[Note MIT limits number of free articles.]

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?​

...
As coronavirus spreads across the globe, a crucial question has emerged: After recovering from an infection, are people immune?


This question is important for understanding who can safely go back to work, as well as for understanding how long the worst impacts of the pandemic are likely to last. Because the virus is so new, the answer isn't fully understood. But so far, scientists say, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 probably induces immunity like other coronaviruses. That means that the human body will probably retain a memory of the virus for at least a few years and should be protected from reinfection, at least in the short-term.
...

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?​

...
Vaccines have long been held the mainstay against maladies that previously in history have destroyed large swaths of the population. Polio, Mumps-Measles and Rubella (MMR), Chicken Pox and Pertussis come to mind among others. Vaccines have proven efficacy against certain transmissible infectious diseases. The majority of these successful vaccines have had a commonality in that they generally target infectious pathogens with a low rate of mutation. These mutations are due in part to selection pressures both from natural immunity and from the vaccinal component. It is a foregone conclusion that given time, viruses are mutable and thus all viruses will mutate and create “variant strains” to escape antibody-mediated immunity. This “escape” is more common in fast replicating viruses such as Influenza and other coronavirus illnesses. “A lot of the mutations are down to faults in the ‘proof-reading’ operation when the DNA or RNA multiplies or replicates.” It is estimated that “the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate…two single nucleotide mutations per genome month.” In terms of pressure on the pathogen, some even argue that the combination of containment strategies such as lockdowns, school closures, societal restrictions, and mass vaccinations also help drive the emergence of variants and this is to be clarified and validated further for this current pandemic.

This then brings us to some troubling issues that need to be reconciled. We are concerned about the future implications of the proposed and ongoing mass Covid-19 vaccination of the populace (and for our purposes here we define the ‘vaccine’ as any of the mRNA vaccines in use currently), its selection pressure effect, and indeed the potential for longer-term chronic effects (if any) on humans. We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19. We will be as clear as possible at the outset, that we believe it is not only potentially unsafe but we can argue it is unsafe, to indiscriminately vaccinate the recently or currently infected. We argue against this and are hoping that the US government and other governments and their regulators will reflect deeply and urgently on the issues. We reason below that these ‘Emergency Use’ Authorized vaccines do not meet the criteria for a fully Biologically licensed vaccine that takes years of efficacy and safety data. There are data that support that if you vaccinate persons who are infected or have been infected, there is evidence of potential adverse events/harms. Why are we not screening/testing persons for existing or prior infection prior to vaccination? Such screening should include PCR testing and Antibody testing at a minimum as a prelude to vaccinations. We believe that given the accumulated knowledge over the past year that indiscriminate application of mass vaccination is contrary to the Hippocratic dictum of “Primum Non Nocere.” We raise these objections on the available scientific data and not on any emotional appeal. We consider this of utmost importance that the scientific community engage in a debate over the objections we raise and involve the policy makers to use real science as the benchmark for any further present and future decision-making.
...

Natural and acquired immunity

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I may look for some of the mRNA related articles, but most persons of average intelligence and basic science education should know that DNA is genetic sequences instructing how to make cells and RNA is genetic instructions on how the cells are to operate. Implication then is that an mRNA vaccine is reprogramming the cells biological operations instructions.

This is where actual length of time in testing is more effective and informative versus "parallel", as was done with current vaccines, because long-term cumulative effects can't be gauged via the "parallel" testing process.

All those articles are great and all, but the original claim was that mRNA vaccines weaken your immune system and those who don't take it are somehow better off against covid variants. Return when you find articles that corroborate that claim. There's a reason hawk never came back to defend himself. It's much easier to drop some random nonsense he read in a meme and then leave.
His link do cover the topic.

Here is evidence the vaccine doesn’t do well against new variants:

His links covered A topic, unfortunately, it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of your claim. The articles he posted summarizes that the ppl who take vaccines may not be entirely immune to the variants, which make sense. I agree with this actually. I more or less praised him for actually providing some random facts that no one even asked for. What he didn't do a very good job of was actually reading your claim to begin with, which is that ppl who have taken the vaccines will have a weakened immune system against variants and that the people who didn't take them are much better off against those same variants. There is absolutely no evidence for that entire statement. At least own up to the nonsense you posted. Don't hide behind a barrage of news articles that had nothing to do with what you actually said.


This is a flat out lie. There is no evidence based facts that support this.
 

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Has anybody seen any official vaccine passport card yet? Maybe various vaccine record cards will be recognized as passports?

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When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.
When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

Where is the science that says mrna vaccines weaken your immune system and those who were infected naturally are better off? :laugh::laugh:
Not so hard to find if one is competent at basic internet/web searching, ...
...........
January 26, 2021

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19​

At a Glance​

  • The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
  • The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.

...​

After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them.

All of these immune-system components have been found in people who recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But the details of this immune response and how long it lasts after infection have been unclear. Scattered reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 have raised concerns that the immune response to the virus might not be durable.
...
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Obviously, after little more than a year of global exposure and infection from Covid-19, research results will be a bit varied and debatable, so the following other articles on immunity needed to be considered in that perspective;

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?​


Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that’s comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine​


Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years​

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.
[Note MIT limits number of free articles.]

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?​

...
As coronavirus spreads across the globe, a crucial question has emerged: After recovering from an infection, are people immune?


This question is important for understanding who can safely go back to work, as well as for understanding how long the worst impacts of the pandemic are likely to last. Because the virus is so new, the answer isn't fully understood. But so far, scientists say, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 probably induces immunity like other coronaviruses. That means that the human body will probably retain a memory of the virus for at least a few years and should be protected from reinfection, at least in the short-term.
...

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?​

...
Vaccines have long been held the mainstay against maladies that previously in history have destroyed large swaths of the population. Polio, Mumps-Measles and Rubella (MMR), Chicken Pox and Pertussis come to mind among others. Vaccines have proven efficacy against certain transmissible infectious diseases. The majority of these successful vaccines have had a commonality in that they generally target infectious pathogens with a low rate of mutation. These mutations are due in part to selection pressures both from natural immunity and from the vaccinal component. It is a foregone conclusion that given time, viruses are mutable and thus all viruses will mutate and create “variant strains” to escape antibody-mediated immunity. This “escape” is more common in fast replicating viruses such as Influenza and other coronavirus illnesses. “A lot of the mutations are down to faults in the ‘proof-reading’ operation when the DNA or RNA multiplies or replicates.” It is estimated that “the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate…two single nucleotide mutations per genome month.” In terms of pressure on the pathogen, some even argue that the combination of containment strategies such as lockdowns, school closures, societal restrictions, and mass vaccinations also help drive the emergence of variants and this is to be clarified and validated further for this current pandemic.

This then brings us to some troubling issues that need to be reconciled. We are concerned about the future implications of the proposed and ongoing mass Covid-19 vaccination of the populace (and for our purposes here we define the ‘vaccine’ as any of the mRNA vaccines in use currently), its selection pressure effect, and indeed the potential for longer-term chronic effects (if any) on humans. We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19. We will be as clear as possible at the outset, that we believe it is not only potentially unsafe but we can argue it is unsafe, to indiscriminately vaccinate the recently or currently infected. We argue against this and are hoping that the US government and other governments and their regulators will reflect deeply and urgently on the issues. We reason below that these ‘Emergency Use’ Authorized vaccines do not meet the criteria for a fully Biologically licensed vaccine that takes years of efficacy and safety data. There are data that support that if you vaccinate persons who are infected or have been infected, there is evidence of potential adverse events/harms. Why are we not screening/testing persons for existing or prior infection prior to vaccination? Such screening should include PCR testing and Antibody testing at a minimum as a prelude to vaccinations. We believe that given the accumulated knowledge over the past year that indiscriminate application of mass vaccination is contrary to the Hippocratic dictum of “Primum Non Nocere.” We raise these objections on the available scientific data and not on any emotional appeal. We consider this of utmost importance that the scientific community engage in a debate over the objections we raise and involve the policy makers to use real science as the benchmark for any further present and future decision-making.
...

Natural and acquired immunity

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I may look for some of the mRNA related articles, but most persons of average intelligence and basic science education should know that DNA is genetic sequences instructing how to make cells and RNA is genetic instructions on how the cells are to operate. Implication then is that an mRNA vaccine is reprogramming the cells biological operations instructions.

This is where actual length of time in testing is more effective and informative versus "parallel", as was done with current vaccines, because long-term cumulative effects can't be gauged via the "parallel" testing process.

All those articles are great and all, but the original claim was that mRNA vaccines weaken your immune system and those who don't take it are somehow better off against covid variants. Return when you find articles that corroborate that claim. There's a reason hawk never came back to defend himself. It's much easier to drop some random nonsense he read in a meme and then leave.
His link do cover the topic.

Here is evidence the vaccine doesn’t do well against new variants:
Thanks.

Been busy and hadn't time to get back here, see that, and reply.

Always frustrating to provide information~links~URLs and have the "peanut gallery" fail to read and understand such while ranting on with their obtuse agendas. Seems to be a lot of that sort on this board.

BTW, great link and thanks for providing! :clap:
The alternative is a forum that gags free speech and free thought. ;)
 

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I'll agree for the most part. ....

Problem is that not all "freely expressed" speech is equal, since much is often based on ignorance and a lack of reason &/or Logic.

Still, such admittedly is revealing of one's opposition, and also of the failing of letting anyone have a "right to vote" ~ the ignorant, uninformed, and plain stupid tend to cancel the votes of those informed, knowledgeable, and working/paying taxes(the bills) such that any potential gains are nipped in the bud, and all have a collective backslide result.

Admittedly forums are a bit different from society in general, and I'm no advocate of forum censorship though I've been encountering such more so in recent years. Mostly via forum admins/mods whom are Leftist and Socialists; which is where the greatest push of censorship and "correct speak" is coming from.
 

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