Vaccine Passport Form

[Synthaholic]

The same people who praise Operation Warp Speed, also refuse to take the vaccine.

Got it.

 

[ClaireH]

One Israeli scientist in the field, Who stated that it’s a race to get out the most vaccines possible, she is going to “wait and see” and said she didn’t plan to get one this year and is waiting until the current vaccines prove to even work before getting one.

Read the scientific journal entries coming out almost daily about it. It’s pretty easy to figure out the best course of action.

 

[Esdraelon]

Everyone gets one. Those that don't have one get sent to the communist reeducation camps.

Only AFTER the fight

 

[Esdraelon]

One Israeli scientist in the field, Who stated that it’s a race to get out the most vaccines possible, she is going to “wait and see” and said she didn’t plan to get one this year and is waiting until the current vaccines prove to even work before getting one.

Read the scientific journal entries coming out almost daily about it. It’s pretty easy to figure out the best course of action.

I agree and I wonder at people who have a problem with this approach.

 

[ClaireH]

I am waiting for the plant-based option to become available soon...within a year or so. No risk...that's more my style nowadays after giving up my slightly reckless ways of youth years ago

This is an absolute choice for adults, kids shouldn't even have it. Anything forced never works long-term and forced medical decisions that lack 2 year-out outcomes are beyond insane imo. I understand this global race for getting out the most vaccines plays a huge role, but it's the wrong motive altogether without proof it works and without adequate timeframe to study adverse outcomes.

Huge government overspending is bringing on inflation in the states, bordering on hyper-inflation if the breaks aren't applied.

The US government at large is still worth saving although many might disagree with that assessment. We just have a bad administration right now...very bad imo. Things will improve again...I'm sure of it...although my positivity could be related to the fact it's Saturday and everything looks better on the weekends! lol

Look forward to 2024 for a new day and the pendulum to swing back substantially to the middle! Half of the fun will be asking a few posters on this fine message board about their take on the consequences from Biden's Blundering Backwater messes!

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Quasar44]

Has anybody seen any official vaccine passport card yet? Maybe various vaccine record cards will be recognized as passports?

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Illegal and unconstitutional

 

[Quasar44]

When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.

When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

I just hope the mutations don’t occur until 2022
Just give me 9 months off

 

[Missourian]

Everyone gets one. Those that don't have one get sent to the communist reeducation camps.

...formerly known as the public school system...

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[krichton]

When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.

When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

Where is the science that says mrna vaccines weaken your immune system and those who were infected naturally are better off?

 

[konradv]

Has anybody seen any official vaccine passport card yet? Maybe various vaccine record cards will be recognized as passports?

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Not as a passport, but some businesses may want to see it. Real passports may be getting a stamp to prove vaccination, since other countries are only allowing those with proof to enter.

 

[konradv]

One Israeli scientist in the field, Who stated that it’s a race to get out the most vaccines possible, she is going to “wait and see” and said she didn’t plan to get one this year and is waiting until the current vaccines prove to even work before getting one.

Read the scientific journal entries coming out almost daily about it. It’s pretty easy to figure out the best course of action.

I agree and I wonder at people who have a problem with this approach.

Because it pushes the problem down the road another year with no real scientific justification for doing so.

 

[Stryder50]

When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.

When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

Where is the science that says mrna vaccines weaken your immune system and those who were infected naturally are better off?

Not so hard to find if one is competent at basic internet/web searching, ...
...........
January 26, 2021

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19​

At a Glance​

• The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
• The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.

...​

After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them.

All of these immune-system components have been found in people who recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But the details of this immune response and how long it lasts after infection have been unclear. Scattered reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 have raised concerns that the immune response to the virus might not be durable.
...
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
...

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Obviously, after little more than a year of global exposure and infection from Covid-19, research results will be a bit varied and debatable, so the following other articles on immunity needed to be considered in that perspective;

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?​

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?

The more protective our immunity is after being infected by COVID-19, the less likely we will be reinfected. A recent study from Denmark shows that our immune system does a pretty good job, but the vaccination might be a wee-bit better.

www.acsh.org

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that’s comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine​

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that's comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine

After 90 days, the immunity developed in response to a coronavirus infection is about as protective as a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a new study.

www.latimes.com

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years​

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

www.technologyreview.com

[Note MIT limits number of free articles.]

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?​

...
As coronavirus spreads across the globe, a crucial question has emerged: After recovering from an infection, are people immune?


This question is important for understanding who can safely go back to work, as well as for understanding how long the worst impacts of the pandemic are likely to last. Because the virus is so new, the answer isn't fully understood. But so far, scientists say, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 probably induces immunity like other coronaviruses. That means that the human body will probably retain a memory of the virus for at least a few years and should be protected from reinfection, at least in the short-term.
...

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?

Much is unknown about the coronavirus, but scientists expect infection to induce some level of immunity. Here's what we know.

www.livescience.com

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?​

...
Vaccines have long been held the mainstay against maladies that previously in history have destroyed large swaths of the population. Polio, Mumps-Measles and Rubella (MMR), Chicken Pox and Pertussis come to mind among others. Vaccines have proven efficacy against certain transmissible infectious diseases. The majority of these successful vaccines have had a commonality in that they generally target infectious pathogens with a low rate of mutation. These mutations are due in part to selection pressures both from natural immunity and from the vaccinal component. It is a foregone conclusion that given time, viruses are mutable and thus all viruses will mutate and create “variant strains” to escape antibody-mediated immunity. This “escape” is more common in fast replicating viruses such as Influenza and other coronavirus illnesses. “A lot of the mutations are down to faults in the ‘proof-reading’ operation when the DNA or RNA multiplies or replicates.” It is estimated that “the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate…two single nucleotide mutations per genome month.” In terms of pressure on the pathogen, some even argue that the combination of containment strategies such as lockdowns, school closures, societal restrictions, and mass vaccinations also help drive the emergence of variants and this is to be clarified and validated further for this current pandemic.

This then brings us to some troubling issues that need to be reconciled. We are concerned about the future implications of the proposed and ongoing mass Covid-19 vaccination of the populace (and for our purposes here we define the ‘vaccine’ as any of the mRNA vaccines in use currently), its selection pressure effect, and indeed the potential for longer-term chronic effects (if any) on humans. We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19. We will be as clear as possible at the outset, that we believe it is not only potentially unsafe but we can argue it is unsafe, to indiscriminately vaccinate the recently or currently infected. We argue against this and are hoping that the US government and other governments and their regulators will reflect deeply and urgently on the issues. We reason below that these ‘Emergency Use’ Authorized vaccines do not meet the criteria for a fully Biologically licensed vaccine that takes years of efficacy and safety data. There are data that support that if you vaccinate persons who are infected or have been infected, there is evidence of potential adverse events/harms. Why are we not screening/testing persons for existing or prior infection prior to vaccination? Such screening should include PCR testing and Antibody testing at a minimum as a prelude to vaccinations. We believe that given the accumulated knowledge over the past year that indiscriminate application of mass vaccination is contrary to the Hippocratic dictum of “Primum Non Nocere.” We raise these objections on the available scientific data and not on any emotional appeal. We consider this of utmost importance that the scientific community engage in a debate over the objections we raise and involve the policy makers to use real science as the benchmark for any further present and future decision-making.
...

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?

"We implore health care providers to explain the benefits and risks to their patients, in full, so that they can be fully informed in their decision-making. This can only happen if there is: 1) immediate suspension of coercive tactics, 2) physician supervision and orders for vaccination, 3)...

www.aier.org

Natural and acquired immunity​

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity: Every animal species possesses some natural resistance to disease. Humans have a high degree of resistance to foot-and-mouth disease, for example, while the cattle and sheep with which they may be in close contact suffer in the thousands...

www.britannica.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I may look for some of the mRNA related articles, but most persons of average intelligence and basic science education should know that DNA is genetic sequences instructing how to make cells and RNA is genetic instructions on how the cells are to operate. Implication then is that an mRNA vaccine is reprogramming the cells biological operations instructions.

This is where actual length of time in testing is more effective and informative versus "parallel", as was done with current vaccines, because long-term cumulative effects can't be gauged via the "parallel" testing process.

 

[Stryder50]

Not meant to "spam" so much as provide information from one thread to another in case some only read one of the two.
...
My wife and I had "covid" back in early April. Took free test and it was 'positive', did the quarantine at home for 10-14 days. It was basically another flu as far as the cough, sore throat, congestion, etc. for a few days and low energy for a few more after that. IIRC, I've had worse cases of annual Cold and Flu in years past. Fortunately, neither of us have serious co-morbidity conditions, otherwise could have been worse experience.

We were advised we'd have to wait at least 90 days before taking the vaccine, but since we now have immune system tweaked to deal with it and the anti-bodies in us, why bother?

Hopefully, if they go for need to have "vaccine passport" that will include an "already had it" passport as well.

Speaking of comorbidity, last time I looked, about 94% of deaths claimed to be "because of covid" also had serious comorbidity conditions (usually about 2-3 of such) so one could say they died wioth, not from covid. Looks like only about 6% were covid alone.

Rather interesting how when we usually have about 40-50,000+ deaths a year from "the flu", that's dropped down into four digit range and "covid" is taking it's place. I really doubt "the flu" decided to go away this past year.

 

[krichton]

When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.

When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

Where is the science that says mrna vaccines weaken your immune system and those who were infected naturally are better off?

Not so hard to find if one is competent at basic internet/web searching, ...
...........
January 26, 2021

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19​

At a Glance​

• The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
• The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.

...​

After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them.

All of these immune-system components have been found in people who recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But the details of this immune response and how long it lasts after infection have been unclear. Scattered reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 have raised concerns that the immune response to the virus might not be durable.
...
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
...

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Obviously, after little more than a year of global exposure and infection from Covid-19, research results will be a bit varied and debatable, so the following other articles on immunity needed to be considered in that perspective;

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?​

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?

The more protective our immunity is after being infected by COVID-19, the less likely we will be reinfected. A recent study from Denmark shows that our immune system does a pretty good job, but the vaccination might be a wee-bit better.

www.acsh.org

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that’s comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine​

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that's comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine

After 90 days, the immunity developed in response to a coronavirus infection is about as protective as a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a new study.

www.latimes.com

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years​

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

www.technologyreview.com

[Note MIT limits number of free articles.]

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?​

...
As coronavirus spreads across the globe, a crucial question has emerged: After recovering from an infection, are people immune?


This question is important for understanding who can safely go back to work, as well as for understanding how long the worst impacts of the pandemic are likely to last. Because the virus is so new, the answer isn't fully understood. But so far, scientists say, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 probably induces immunity like other coronaviruses. That means that the human body will probably retain a memory of the virus for at least a few years and should be protected from reinfection, at least in the short-term.
...

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?

Much is unknown about the coronavirus, but scientists expect infection to induce some level of immunity. Here's what we know.

www.livescience.com

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?​

...
Vaccines have long been held the mainstay against maladies that previously in history have destroyed large swaths of the population. Polio, Mumps-Measles and Rubella (MMR), Chicken Pox and Pertussis come to mind among others. Vaccines have proven efficacy against certain transmissible infectious diseases. The majority of these successful vaccines have had a commonality in that they generally target infectious pathogens with a low rate of mutation. These mutations are due in part to selection pressures both from natural immunity and from the vaccinal component. It is a foregone conclusion that given time, viruses are mutable and thus all viruses will mutate and create “variant strains” to escape antibody-mediated immunity. This “escape” is more common in fast replicating viruses such as Influenza and other coronavirus illnesses. “A lot of the mutations are down to faults in the ‘proof-reading’ operation when the DNA or RNA multiplies or replicates.” It is estimated that “the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate…two single nucleotide mutations per genome month.” In terms of pressure on the pathogen, some even argue that the combination of containment strategies such as lockdowns, school closures, societal restrictions, and mass vaccinations also help drive the emergence of variants and this is to be clarified and validated further for this current pandemic.

This then brings us to some troubling issues that need to be reconciled. We are concerned about the future implications of the proposed and ongoing mass Covid-19 vaccination of the populace (and for our purposes here we define the ‘vaccine’ as any of the mRNA vaccines in use currently), its selection pressure effect, and indeed the potential for longer-term chronic effects (if any) on humans. We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19. We will be as clear as possible at the outset, that we believe it is not only potentially unsafe but we can argue it is unsafe, to indiscriminately vaccinate the recently or currently infected. We argue against this and are hoping that the US government and other governments and their regulators will reflect deeply and urgently on the issues. We reason below that these ‘Emergency Use’ Authorized vaccines do not meet the criteria for a fully Biologically licensed vaccine that takes years of efficacy and safety data. There are data that support that if you vaccinate persons who are infected or have been infected, there is evidence of potential adverse events/harms. Why are we not screening/testing persons for existing or prior infection prior to vaccination? Such screening should include PCR testing and Antibody testing at a minimum as a prelude to vaccinations. We believe that given the accumulated knowledge over the past year that indiscriminate application of mass vaccination is contrary to the Hippocratic dictum of “Primum Non Nocere.” We raise these objections on the available scientific data and not on any emotional appeal. We consider this of utmost importance that the scientific community engage in a debate over the objections we raise and involve the policy makers to use real science as the benchmark for any further present and future decision-making.
...

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?

"We implore health care providers to explain the benefits and risks to their patients, in full, so that they can be fully informed in their decision-making. This can only happen if there is: 1) immediate suspension of coercive tactics, 2) physician supervision and orders for vaccination, 3)...

www.aier.org

Natural and acquired immunity​

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity: Every animal species possesses some natural resistance to disease. Humans have a high degree of resistance to foot-and-mouth disease, for example, while the cattle and sheep with which they may be in close contact suffer in the thousands...

www.britannica.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I may look for some of the mRNA related articles, but most persons of average intelligence and basic science education should know that DNA is genetic sequences instructing how to make cells and RNA is genetic instructions on how the cells are to operate. Implication then is that an mRNA vaccine is reprogramming the cells biological operations instructions.

This is where actual length of time in testing is more effective and informative versus "parallel", as was done with current vaccines, because long-term cumulative effects can't be gauged via the "parallel" testing process.

All those articles are great and all, but the original claim was that mRNA vaccines weaken your immune system and those who don't take it are somehow better off against covid variants. Return when you find articles that corroborate that claim. There's a reason hawk never came back to defend himself. It's much easier to drop some random nonsense he read in a meme and then leave.

 

[theHawk]

When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.

When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

Where is the science that says mrna vaccines weaken your immune system and those who were infected naturally are better off?

Not so hard to find if one is competent at basic internet/web searching, ...
...........
January 26, 2021

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19​

At a Glance​

• The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
• The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.

...​

After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them.

All of these immune-system components have been found in people who recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But the details of this immune response and how long it lasts after infection have been unclear. Scattered reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 have raised concerns that the immune response to the virus might not be durable.
...
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
...

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Obviously, after little more than a year of global exposure and infection from Covid-19, research results will be a bit varied and debatable, so the following other articles on immunity needed to be considered in that perspective;

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?​

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?

The more protective our immunity is after being infected by COVID-19, the less likely we will be reinfected. A recent study from Denmark shows that our immune system does a pretty good job, but the vaccination might be a wee-bit better.

www.acsh.org

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that’s comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine​

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that's comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine

After 90 days, the immunity developed in response to a coronavirus infection is about as protective as a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a new study.

www.latimes.com

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years​

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

www.technologyreview.com

[Note MIT limits number of free articles.]

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?​

...
As coronavirus spreads across the globe, a crucial question has emerged: After recovering from an infection, are people immune?


This question is important for understanding who can safely go back to work, as well as for understanding how long the worst impacts of the pandemic are likely to last. Because the virus is so new, the answer isn't fully understood. But so far, scientists say, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 probably induces immunity like other coronaviruses. That means that the human body will probably retain a memory of the virus for at least a few years and should be protected from reinfection, at least in the short-term.
...

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?

Much is unknown about the coronavirus, but scientists expect infection to induce some level of immunity. Here's what we know.

www.livescience.com

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?​

...
Vaccines have long been held the mainstay against maladies that previously in history have destroyed large swaths of the population. Polio, Mumps-Measles and Rubella (MMR), Chicken Pox and Pertussis come to mind among others. Vaccines have proven efficacy against certain transmissible infectious diseases. The majority of these successful vaccines have had a commonality in that they generally target infectious pathogens with a low rate of mutation. These mutations are due in part to selection pressures both from natural immunity and from the vaccinal component. It is a foregone conclusion that given time, viruses are mutable and thus all viruses will mutate and create “variant strains” to escape antibody-mediated immunity. This “escape” is more common in fast replicating viruses such as Influenza and other coronavirus illnesses. “A lot of the mutations are down to faults in the ‘proof-reading’ operation when the DNA or RNA multiplies or replicates.” It is estimated that “the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate…two single nucleotide mutations per genome month.” In terms of pressure on the pathogen, some even argue that the combination of containment strategies such as lockdowns, school closures, societal restrictions, and mass vaccinations also help drive the emergence of variants and this is to be clarified and validated further for this current pandemic.

This then brings us to some troubling issues that need to be reconciled. We are concerned about the future implications of the proposed and ongoing mass Covid-19 vaccination of the populace (and for our purposes here we define the ‘vaccine’ as any of the mRNA vaccines in use currently), its selection pressure effect, and indeed the potential for longer-term chronic effects (if any) on humans. We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19. We will be as clear as possible at the outset, that we believe it is not only potentially unsafe but we can argue it is unsafe, to indiscriminately vaccinate the recently or currently infected. We argue against this and are hoping that the US government and other governments and their regulators will reflect deeply and urgently on the issues. We reason below that these ‘Emergency Use’ Authorized vaccines do not meet the criteria for a fully Biologically licensed vaccine that takes years of efficacy and safety data. There are data that support that if you vaccinate persons who are infected or have been infected, there is evidence of potential adverse events/harms. Why are we not screening/testing persons for existing or prior infection prior to vaccination? Such screening should include PCR testing and Antibody testing at a minimum as a prelude to vaccinations. We believe that given the accumulated knowledge over the past year that indiscriminate application of mass vaccination is contrary to the Hippocratic dictum of “Primum Non Nocere.” We raise these objections on the available scientific data and not on any emotional appeal. We consider this of utmost importance that the scientific community engage in a debate over the objections we raise and involve the policy makers to use real science as the benchmark for any further present and future decision-making.
...

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?

"We implore health care providers to explain the benefits and risks to their patients, in full, so that they can be fully informed in their decision-making. This can only happen if there is: 1) immediate suspension of coercive tactics, 2) physician supervision and orders for vaccination, 3)...

www.aier.org

Natural and acquired immunity​

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity: Every animal species possesses some natural resistance to disease. Humans have a high degree of resistance to foot-and-mouth disease, for example, while the cattle and sheep with which they may be in close contact suffer in the thousands...

www.britannica.com

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I may look for some of the mRNA related articles, but most persons of average intelligence and basic science education should know that DNA is genetic sequences instructing how to make cells and RNA is genetic instructions on how the cells are to operate. Implication then is that an mRNA vaccine is reprogramming the cells biological operations instructions.

This is where actual length of time in testing is more effective and informative versus "parallel", as was done with current vaccines, because long-term cumulative effects can't be gauged via the "parallel" testing process.

All those articles are great and all, but the original claim was that mRNA vaccines weaken your immune system and those who don't take it are somehow better off against covid variants. Return when you find articles that corroborate that claim. There's a reason hawk never came back to defend himself. It's much easier to drop some random nonsense he read in a meme and then leave.

His link do cover the topic.

Here is evidence the vaccine doesn’t do well against new variants:

mRNA vaccines may provide lower immunity to new SARS-CoV-2 variants

New research finds that mutations associated with the new coronavirus variants decreased the number of neutralizing antibodies in the blood.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[CremeBrulee]

Shouldn't I get some free shit if store x is asking for my medical history? Maybe some pudding pops or something.

 

[Stryder50]

When the new 90% fatal variant comes out our plan will come to fruition. The "Trumpbot" problem will be a thing of the past.

When the 90% fatal variant comes out, those who got the mRNA vaccines will have a weakened immune system and won’t be able to defend themselves from it. Those who got immunity from having WuFlu will be better off.

Where is the science that says mrna vaccines weaken your immune system and those who were infected naturally are better off?

Not so hard to find if one is competent at basic internet/web searching, ...
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January 26, 2021

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19​

At a Glance​

• The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
• The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.

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After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them.

All of these immune-system components have been found in people who recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But the details of this immune response and how long it lasts after infection have been unclear. Scattered reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 have raised concerns that the immune response to the virus might not be durable.
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The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
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Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

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Obviously, after little more than a year of global exposure and infection from Covid-19, research results will be a bit varied and debatable, so the following other articles on immunity needed to be considered in that perspective;

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?​

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?

The more protective our immunity is after being infected by COVID-19, the less likely we will be reinfected. A recent study from Denmark shows that our immune system does a pretty good job, but the vaccination might be a wee-bit better.

www.acsh.org

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that’s comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine​

Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that's comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine

After 90 days, the immunity developed in response to a coronavirus infection is about as protective as a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a new study.

www.latimes.com

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years​

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.

www.technologyreview.com

[Note MIT limits number of free articles.]

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?​

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As coronavirus spreads across the globe, a crucial question has emerged: After recovering from an infection, are people immune?


This question is important for understanding who can safely go back to work, as well as for understanding how long the worst impacts of the pandemic are likely to last. Because the virus is so new, the answer isn't fully understood. But so far, scientists say, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 probably induces immunity like other coronaviruses. That means that the human body will probably retain a memory of the virus for at least a few years and should be protected from reinfection, at least in the short-term.
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After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?

Much is unknown about the coronavirus, but scientists expect infection to induce some level of immunity. Here's what we know.

www.livescience.com

If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?​

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Vaccines have long been held the mainstay against maladies that previously in history have destroyed large swaths of the population. Polio, Mumps-Measles and Rubella (MMR), Chicken Pox and Pertussis come to mind among others. Vaccines have proven efficacy against certain transmissible infectious diseases. The majority of these successful vaccines have had a commonality in that they generally target infectious pathogens with a low rate of mutation. These mutations are due in part to selection pressures both from natural immunity and from the vaccinal component. It is a foregone conclusion that given time, viruses are mutable and thus all viruses will mutate and create “variant strains” to escape antibody-mediated immunity. This “escape” is more common in fast replicating viruses such as Influenza and other coronavirus illnesses. “A lot of the mutations are down to faults in the ‘proof-reading’ operation when the DNA or RNA multiplies or replicates.” It is estimated that “the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate…two single nucleotide mutations per genome month.” In terms of pressure on the pathogen, some even argue that the combination of containment strategies such as lockdowns, school closures, societal restrictions, and mass vaccinations also help drive the emergence of variants and this is to be clarified and validated further for this current pandemic.

This then brings us to some troubling issues that need to be reconciled. We are concerned about the future implications of the proposed and ongoing mass Covid-19 vaccination of the populace (and for our purposes here we define the ‘vaccine’ as any of the mRNA vaccines in use currently), its selection pressure effect, and indeed the potential for longer-term chronic effects (if any) on humans. We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19. We will be as clear as possible at the outset, that we believe it is not only potentially unsafe but we can argue it is unsafe, to indiscriminately vaccinate the recently or currently infected. We argue against this and are hoping that the US government and other governments and their regulators will reflect deeply and urgently on the issues. We reason below that these ‘Emergency Use’ Authorized vaccines do not meet the criteria for a fully Biologically licensed vaccine that takes years of efficacy and safety data. There are data that support that if you vaccinate persons who are infected or have been infected, there is evidence of potential adverse events/harms. Why are we not screening/testing persons for existing or prior infection prior to vaccination? Such screening should include PCR testing and Antibody testing at a minimum as a prelude to vaccinations. We believe that given the accumulated knowledge over the past year that indiscriminate application of mass vaccination is contrary to the Hippocratic dictum of “Primum Non Nocere.” We raise these objections on the available scientific data and not on any emotional appeal. We consider this of utmost importance that the scientific community engage in a debate over the objections we raise and involve the policy makers to use real science as the benchmark for any further present and future decision-making.
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If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?

"We implore health care providers to explain the benefits and risks to their patients, in full, so that they can be fully informed in their decision-making. This can only happen if there is: 1) immediate suspension of coercive tactics, 2) physician supervision and orders for vaccination, 3)...

www.aier.org

Natural and acquired immunity​

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity

Infectious disease - Natural Immunity, Acquired Immunity: Every animal species possesses some natural resistance to disease. Humans have a high degree of resistance to foot-and-mouth disease, for example, while the cattle and sheep with which they may be in close contact suffer in the thousands...

www.britannica.com

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I may look for some of the mRNA related articles, but most persons of average intelligence and basic science education should know that DNA is genetic sequences instructing how to make cells and RNA is genetic instructions on how the cells are to operate. Implication then is that an mRNA vaccine is reprogramming the cells biological operations instructions.

This is where actual length of time in testing is more effective and informative versus "parallel", as was done with current vaccines, because long-term cumulative effects can't be gauged via the "parallel" testing process.

All those articles are great and all, but the original claim was that mRNA vaccines weaken your immune system and those who don't take it are somehow better off against covid variants. Return when you find articles that corroborate that claim. There's a reason hawk never came back to defend himself. It's much easier to drop some random nonsense he read in a meme and then leave.

His link do cover the topic.

Here is evidence the vaccine doesn’t do well against new variants:

mRNA vaccines may provide lower immunity to new SARS-CoV-2 variants

New research finds that mutations associated with the new coronavirus variants decreased the number of neutralizing antibodies in the blood.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Thanks.

Been busy and hadn't time to get back here, see that, and reply.

Always frustrating to provide information~links~URLs and have the "peanut gallery" fail to read and understand such while ranting on with their obtuse agendas. Seems to be a lot of that sort on this board.

BTW, great link and thanks for providing!

 

[Desperado]

Because Democrats exert their tyranny on as many people as possible.

Vaccines have been required for travel since vaccines have existed.

Why weren't you crying before about how the evil liberals were demanding you have the Polio vaccine in order to travel?

yes vaccines that have full approval from the FDA not the Emergency Use- Experimental tag they have now.