Uvalde Teacher Propped Open Door Despite School Being On Lockdown, Allowed Shooter Entrance

[eagle1462010]

Hs anyone ever taught you folks about the emotional/logical teeter totter?

When emotions go high, a human's ability to think rationally decreases. This is why we teach calming tactics for those who deal with stressful situations involving life and death.

Panic is a natural reaction to fight or flight.

This teacher could not keep a rational thought once she panicked. Her action is one of muscle memory. She normally propped this door open as a daily item. She was on automatic pilot and she did what she normally does.

The timeline I saw from the shooter on site coming in to getting in that classroom was 2 minutes. It happened quick. I'm not sure if the teacher went in that door right at that moment, but the report said the shooter was shooting windows.......Not sure......But if true that teacher was running for her life and may have missed it. Not sure the details on that door yet.

 

[surada]

That is the point I believe the other poster is failing to understand…

If the reports are true then that teacher should be fired if they are not one of the victims…

Are we going to blame the cops, teachers, Democrats and refuse to do anything about guns?

 

[surada]

that most of the shootings take place in lib run areas, lib mayors, lib police chiefs….

What a crock. Texas has had six mass shootings since Abbott has been governor.

 

[task0778]

All the attention is on the cops, who did screw up big time, but little mention of the propped door. If that door was closed and locked would the shooter ever have gotten into the building? Maybe not as quickly, maybe he would've tried another door or eventually got shot by the cops. the timeline I've seen says the shooter entered the school at 11:33 and the cops entered 2 minutes later. What if the shooter can't easily and quickly get into the school through that door cuz it's closed and locked? What does he do? Can he fire at the door to get it open? Does it have shatter-proof glass, or any glass at all? Does he run away? Try another door?

 

[surada]

All the attention is on the cops, who did screw up big time, but little mention of the propped door. If that door was closed and locked would the shooter ever have gotten into the building? Maybe not as quickly, maybe he would've tried another door or eventually got shot by the cops. the timeline I've seen says the shooter entered the school at 11:33 and the cops entered 2 minutes later. What if the shooter can't easily and quickly get into the school through that door cuz it's closed and locked? What does he do? Can he fire at the door to get it open? Does it have shatter-proof glass, or any glass at all? Does he run away? Try another door?

Who did you blame for the Santa Fe shootings?

 

[struth]

What a crock. Texas has had six mass shootings since Abbott has been governor.

the police of chief is a dem, ordered his men to stand down

 

[surada]

the police of chief is a dem, ordered his men to stand down

Who did you blame for the Santa Fe school shooting?

Santa Fe High School shooting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[surada]

22 mass shootings. 374 dead. Here's where the guns came from

The suspects in the shootings at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school and a Buffalo, New York, supermarket were both just 18 when authorities say they bought the weapons used in the attacks.

apnews.com

 

[struth]

Who did you blame for the Santa Fe school shooting?

Santa Fe High School shooting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

they just recalled the mayor there.

but the 17 year old foreigner did also have major mental issues and is current in a hospital as we awaits trial

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Hs anyone ever taught you folks about the emotional/logical teeter totter?

When emotions go high, a human's ability to think rationally decreases. This is why we teach calming tactics for those who deal with stressful situations involving life and death.

Panic is a natural reaction to fight or flight.

This teacher could not keep a rational thought once she panicked. Her action is one of muscle memory. She normally propped this door open as a daily item. She was on automatic pilot and she did what she normally does.

So, during a shots fired, active shooter situation, her muscle memory made her walk out of class & prop open a door in a lockdown situation?
Does that really make sense to you?

 

[Billy_Bob]

So, during a shots fired, active shooter situation, her muscle memory made her walk out of class & prop open a door in a lockdown situation?
Does that really make sense to you?

Look at the time line...
The teacher opened and propped the door PRIOR to the first rounds being shot. When she panicked, she lost the ability to think rationally and when she ran back inside, left the door propped open. She was on auto pilot. She did what she normally does. she left the prop in the door. This is why it is bad to allow these types of behaviors to become habit. Once you lose the ability to think rationally you will go back to engrained habits, muscle memory..

We use this in training police during high stress situations. It is why we teach firearms in repetitive motions and thought process in repetitive patterns. When they lose some of the cognitive ability their muscle memory kicks in and they act appropriately. IT can also make them vulnerable. Seasoned officers learn how to control fear and keep their ability to think rationally.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Look at the time line...
The teacher opened and propped the door PRIOR to the first rounds being shot. When she panicked, she lost the ability to think rationally and when she ran back inside, left the door propped open. She was on auto pilot. She did what she normally does. she left the prop in the door. This is why it is bad to allow these types of behaviors to become habit. Once you lose the ability to think rationally you will go back to engrained habits, muscle memory..

We use this in training police during high stress situations. It is why we teach firearms in repetitive motions and thought process in repetitive patterns. When they lose some of the cognitive ability their muscle memory kicks in and they act appropriately. IT can also make them vulnerable. Seasoned officers learn how to control fear and keep their ability to think rationally.

Maybe you are right & she opened that door right before gunshots were fired nearby. The timelines seem to be unclear on this.
Regardless, the fact is that she totally panicked & left a secured building open to attack.
At 11:43, the school posts they are under lockdown & safe.
At that point, the teacher may have left that door open for as long as 15 minutes.

11:28: Ramos crashes into the ditch. The teacher runs to room 132 to retrieve a phone. The same teacher walks back to the exit door and the door remains propped open.

(No time given): Ramos opens the truck and two men from the funeral home, who were checking on him, take off running when they see a gun. They’re shot at but no one is hit.

11:30: The teacher runs back inside, panicked, and apparently calls 911. Door remains propped open. The use of the word “apparently” is peculiar. At this point in the investigation, with this detailed of a timeline, you would think that teacher has been identified, confirmed and a statement taken, that they did in fact call 911.

Uvalde Robb Elementary School was Under Lockdown Due to Gunshots in the Area - Announced Students and Staff were Safe Until Teacher Propped Door Open | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

New information revealed that on Tuesday, Robb Elementary School’s official page announced that the school was indeed placed on lockdown due to gunshots heard around the area.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[task0778]

This is the timeline I saw:

11:28 a.m. After driving a block and a half, Ramos arrives at Robb Elementary. He crashes the car into a drainage ditch and exits through the passenger door, grabbing a backpack full of ammunition and an AR-15- style semi-automatic rifle. Two employees of a nearby funeral home rush to the accident scene. Ramos shoots at them, and they retreat, uninjured. At the school, a teacher sees the crash and the armed man, props open a door on the west side and runs inside to get a phone (panics. why else is the door left open?)

11:30 a.m. The teacher comes back outside and calls 911. It is the first 911 call about the incident

The teacher goes back inside, still leaves the door propped open!

11:31 a.m. After hopping a fence into the parking lot of the school, Ramos hides behind vehicles as a school police officer drives by and mistakes a teacher for the possible shooter. Ramos shoots into classroom windows while walking toward the propped open door

11:33 a.m. Meeting no police resistance, Ramos enters the school and walks down a hallway, turning right and then left, all the while firing his rifle. He enters classrooms 111 and 112. The rooms are connected by a jack-and-jill bathroom and are filled with 8-, 9- and 10- year-olds. Ramos locks the door behind him


I have questions about that door. Did it have glass? If so, was it shatter-proof? One would think so, right? Was there a keyhole that the shooter could fire at and possibly unlock that door and gain entry?

I can't find anything about that door. Plenty of bitching about the cops, and they do deserve that but why is nobody saying anything about that door? Would all the deaths have been prevented if that door was closed and locked?

11:35 a.m. Three Uvalde police officers enter through the same door Ramos used. Three more officers and a deputy join them outside the classrooms. Ramos shoots at the officers through the closed door, grazing two of them. They decide to wait for backup and heavy tactical equipment rather than force their way into the classrooms

 

[Billy_Bob]

This is the timeline I saw:

11:28 a.m. After driving a block and a half, Ramos arrives at Robb Elementary. He crashes the car into a drainage ditch and exits through the passenger door, grabbing a backpack full of ammunition and an AR-15- style semi-automatic rifle. Two employees of a nearby funeral home rush to the accident scene. Ramos shoots at them, and they retreat, uninjured. At the school, a teacher sees the crash and the armed man, props open a door on the west side and runs inside to get a phone (panics. why else is the door left open?)

11:30 a.m. The teacher comes back outside and calls 911. It is the first 911 call about the incident

The teacher goes back inside, still leaves the door propped open!

11:31 a.m. After hopping a fence into the parking lot of the school, Ramos hides behind vehicles as a school police officer drives by and mistakes a teacher for the possible shooter. Ramos shoots into classroom windows while walking toward the propped open door

11:33 a.m. Meeting no police resistance, Ramos enters the school and walks down a hallway, turning right and then left, all the while firing his rifle. He enters classrooms 111 and 112. The rooms are connected by a jack-and-jill bathroom and are filled with 8-, 9- and 10- year-olds. Ramos locks the door behind him


I have questions about that door. Did it have glass? If so, was it shatter-proof? One would think so, right? Was there a keyhole that the shooter could fire at and possibly unlock that door and gain entry?

I can't find anything about that door. Plenty of bitching about the cops, and they do deserve that but why is nobody saying anything about that door? Would all the deaths have been prevented if that door was closed and locked?

11:35 a.m. Three Uvalde police officers enter through the same door Ramos used. Three more officers and a deputy join them outside the classrooms. Ramos shoots at the officers through the closed door, grazing two of them. They decide to wait for backup and heavy tactical equipment rather than force their way into the classrooms

That is the one I saw as well.. Lots of basic security protocols were violated..

 

[Unkotare]

The local school district should be sued for failing to provide Security 101 training to all teachers.

No screwing around - this is CHILDREN we're talking about. Yours. Mine.

Schools are REQUIRED BY LAW to keep children safe while they're on the premises. Failure to do so is gross negligence

No doubt they had such training.

 

[task0778]

Lawyer: Uvalde teacher did not leave door open that gunman used to enter Robb Elementary School

An employee at Robb Elementary School had propped open a door to carry food from a car to the classroom last Tuesday, but closed it shut after realizing that a gunman was loose and heading toward the school, her San Antonio lawyer said.

Don Flanary said the school employee, who is not being identified out of safety concerns, called 911 to report an accident near the school involving a black truck, which turned out to be driven by gunman Salvador Ramos, 18.

“She saw the wreck,” Flanary said. “She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun!’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside.

“She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked.”
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A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said surveillance video and audio verifies the employee removed the rock holding the door open and closed it.

“She slammed it shut,” said the source, who requested anonymity because the source does not have authority to speak with the media.

Both Flanary and the source said a person exiting through the door might not be able to tell if it was locked.
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The source said at least one other school employee has reported to federal agents and DPS that at least one other door in the building did not lock, so investigators are looking into that report. Investigators also have received reports that another entry/exit door into the building was open during school hours, the source said.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-teacher-open-door-shooter-17209972

I'm asking myself why this wasn't reported earlier. Why aren't we getting the truth from the getgo?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Lawyer: Uvalde teacher did not leave door open that gunman used to enter Robb Elementary School

An employee at Robb Elementary School had propped open a door to carry food from a car to the classroom last Tuesday, but closed it shut after realizing that a gunman was loose and heading toward the school, her San Antonio lawyer said.

Don Flanary said the school employee, who is not being identified out of safety concerns, called 911 to report an accident near the school involving a black truck, which turned out to be driven by gunman Salvador Ramos, 18.

“She saw the wreck,” Flanary said. “She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun!’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside.

“She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked.”
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A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said surveillance video and audio verifies the employee removed the rock holding the door open and closed it.

“She slammed it shut,” said the source, who requested anonymity because the source does not have authority to speak with the media.

Both Flanary and the source said a person exiting through the door might not be able to tell if it was locked.
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The source said at least one other school employee has reported to federal agents and DPS that at least one other door in the building did not lock, so investigators are looking into that report. Investigators also have received reports that another entry/exit door into the building was open during school hours, the source said.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-teacher-open-door-shooter-17209972

I'm asking myself why this wasn't reported earlier.

Either they saw huge liability and are covering their asses, or we have issues with the school's physical security. It took almost a week for this to surface? I know where my bet is...

 

[eagle1462010]

They let the lie hang for hype and outrage. So people would want the teachers head. Worked on these boards

 

[August West]

They let the lie hang for hype and outrage. So people would want the teachers head. Worked on these boards

Who is "they"? Are you claiming that it was some sort of conspiracy?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

So sad for the republicans, blaming the teacher for propping open the door ,letting Ramos in.

Officially DEBUNKED.

May 31 2022
Last week Colonel Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told a news conference that a door to the school was left ajar by the teacher who ran outside when she heard Salvador Ramos crash his truck.

“She saw the wreck. She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun.’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside,”

She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked.”

A law enforcement source told the newspaper that surveillance video confirmed that the teacher, who is not being named for safety reasons, removed the rock and closed the door.

“She slammed it shut.”