Uvalde shooter legally bought his guns............

[Dagosa]

So the 1st amendment is a collective right? Not a personal right? How about the 4th and 5th amendments?

The first amendment is a collective right.” People” as you personally can’t yell fire in a theater. It’s not guaranteed to any person at anytime in any place.....JUST LIKE THE SECOND IS NOT.
You can easily be arrested for personally demonstrating and loitering in a plethora of circumstances...just like carrying a firearm, dumbo. Regulating both has long been upheld for only the QUALIFIED. EVEN Heller agrees with that.

The fourth is not a personal right without exception...it’s not absolute.
How about them ? A cop can search and seize without a warrant if in immediate pursuit of suspect WITH NO WARRANT..
The 5th amendment applies to all individuals without exception.. Hence “persons”
Read them fool.

So the 1st amendment is a collective right? Not a personal right? How about the 4th and 5th amendments?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The first amendment is a collective right.” People” as you personally can’t yell fire in a theater. It’s not guaranteed to any person at anytime in any place.....JUST LIKE THE SECOND IS NOT.
You can easily be arrested for personally demonstrating and loitering in a plethora of circumstances...just like carrying a firearm, dumbo. Regulating both has long been upheld for only the QUALIFIED. EVEN Heller agrees with that.

The fourth is not a personal right without exception...it’s not absolute.
How about them ? A cop can search and seize without a warrant if in immediate pursuit of suspect WITH NO WARRANT..
The 5th amendment applies to all individuals without exception.. Hence “persons”
Read them fool.

you are beyond stupid.

 

[westwall]

The first amendment is a collective right.” People” as you personally can’t yell fire in a theater. It’s not guaranteed to any person at anytime in any place.....JUST LIKE THE SECOND IS NOT.
You can easily be arrested for personally demonstrating and loitering in a plethora of circumstances...just like carrying a firearm, dumbo. Regulating both has long been upheld for only the QUALIFIED. EVEN Heller agrees with that.

The fourth is not a personal right without exception...it’s not absolute.
How about them ? A cop can search and seize without a warrant if in immediate pursuit of suspect WITH NO WARRANT..
The 5th amendment applies to all individuals without exception.. Hence “persons”
Read them fool.

The Bill of Rights are INDIVIDUAL Rights.

The only "collective" Right mentioned would be the 10th Amendment.

 

[Dagosa]

The Bill of Rights are INDIVIDUAL Rights.

The only "collective" Right mentioned would be the 10th Amendment.

That’s your opinion, and it’s wrong. Get a fking dictionary and look up “ people” v “person.”
The Bill of rights ARE NOT ALL INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Not every individual is entitled to them dullard Unless it specifically says so. I have proof, you have nothing. Not every-one can have free speech any where they want or carry a any gun anywhere they want.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That’s your opinion, and it’s wrong. Get a fking dictionary and look up “ people” v “person.”
The Bill of rights ARE NOT ALL INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Not every individual is entitled to them dullard Unless it specifically says so. I have proof, you have nothing. Not every-one can have free speech any where they want or carry a any gun anywhere they want.

Well except that EVERY Court since the beginning has held they are personal rights.

 

[Failzero]

Truth over facts ?

 

[Flash]

Wrong question. You should be asking why America has a stupid Amendment on guns.

It is called Liberty. You wouldn't understand.

 

[westwall]

That’s your opinion, and it’s wrong. Get a fking dictionary and look up “ people” v “person.”
The Bill of rights ARE NOT ALL INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Not every individual is entitled to them dullard Unless it specifically says so. I have proof, you have nothing. Not every-one can have free speech any where they want or carry a any gun anywhere they want.

No, that is the correct interpretation.

Or, to put it far more simply, for the simetons out there, were they not individual Rights, they would have been gone long ago.

Now crawl back under the rock from whence you came.

 

[Dagosa]

Well except that EVERY Court since the beginning has held they are personal rights.

No they have not. Read the Heller decision. It’s a personal right ONLY if you qualify. You as a Persons avail themselves to rights, only if you qualify. The rights are peoples rights.
In Heller or even the first amendment….it’s not a personal right till he is qualified and licensed.
That is ONLY a particular group of persons, not everyone.
“The Supreme Court affirmed the decision of a lower court: “Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.”

 

[Captain Caveman]

No, that's wrong.

SUUUUUUUUURE you did!

So you are saying the majority own guns in America. The majority of 32%, lol

What Percentage of Americans Own Guns?

 

[Captain Caveman]

It is called Liberty. You wouldn't understand.

I fully understand, but obviously you don't, if you had checked out the Freedom and Liberty thread, you wouldn't have posted such a post.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No they have not. Read the Heller decision. It’s a personal right ONLY if you qualify. You as a Persons avail themselves to rights, only if you qualify. The rights are peoples rights.
In Heller or even the first amendment….it’s not a personal right till he is qualified and licensed.
That is ONLY a particular group of persons, not everyone.
“The Supreme Court affirmed the decision of a lower court: “Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.”

keep being immensely stupid.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I've owned and used guns. I'm British and the 2nd Amendment is outdated.

Again, it has nothing to do with the Amendment, it has to do with the case law.

Indeed, depending on how the Amendment is interpreted by the courts, it could be used to validate the types of regulation you support.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Again, it has nothing to do with the Amendment, it has to do with the case law.

Indeed, depending on how the Amendment is interpreted by the courts, it could be used to validate the types of regulation you support.

It's outdated. You have gun nuts running about with guns, yet they haven't got the brain power to list Japan's gun incidents and mass shooting stats.

But....Japan has gun control? So how was the Prime Minister shot? Breaking news.....

Yep...the majority of those are suicides....but Faun won't let the truth get in the way of a good lie... Meanwhile, Japan murdered 3 million innocent civilians during the war....unarmed civilians... Also, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Smoking and drinking isn't a right it's a privilege not the license attached to them. You're right minors don't have the same rights adults have. So you're saying 20 year olds are minors? 18-21 should not have adult rights if you take the right to self-defense away.

This is a lie.

The right to self-defense for those under 21 is not being ‘taken away.’

It is lawful for those under 21 to possess firearms; those under 21 my obtain firearms via face-to-face intrastate transactions with fellow state residents or by having a firearm gifted to them.

 

[Flash]

I fully understand, but obviously you don't, if you had checked out the Freedom and Liberty thread, you wouldn't have posted such a post.

You are confused. Anybody that would post that the Second should be abolished doesn't have a clue what Liberty is all about.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You are confused. Anybody that would post that the Second should be abolished doesn't have a clue what Liberty is all about.

You've obviously not checked out the Freedom and Liberty thread. If you had and checked the link, you would have found the indices used to rank countries, and the indices from which countries. Then you have further seen that America is included in what to use to rank countries.

So instead of repeating the same ole sound bites year in, year out, go and educate yourself. Freedom and Liberty obviously doesn't mean the same your definition and/or agenda.

 

[Flash]

So you are saying the majority own guns in America. The majority of 32%, lol

What Percentage of Americans Own Guns?

You believe crap that a telephone pollster says? Talk about being a dufus.

There are more guns in the hands of US citizens than all the rest of the world combined, including all the militaries.

 

[Jarlaxle]

you are beyond stupid.

No, he is a combination of dishonest and evil.

So you are saying the majority own guns in America. The majority of 32%, lol

What Percentage of Americans Own Guns?

If you believe those numbers, I have a BEAUTIFUL beach house for sale really cheap. It's an hour north of Wichita.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is a lie.

The right to self-defense for those under 21 is not being ‘taken away.’

It is lawful for those under 21 to possess firearms; those under 21 my obtain firearms via face-to-face intrastate transactions with fellow state residents or by having a firearm gifted to them.

It not a lie you ******* lying sack of shit. Smoking and drinking is not a right. It's a privilege and exactly where is what I said wrong? If you deprive anyone 21 years old or younger of their basic right to self-defense they should not have any adult rights.

Smoking and drinking isn't a right it's a privilege not the license attached to them. You're right minors don't have the same rights adults have. So you're saying 20 year olds are minors? 18-21 should not have adult rights if you take the right to self-defense away.