Utah governor signs collective bargaining ban for teachers, firefighters and police unions

[Zincwarrior]

Ignorant fool, teachers in NJ are drawing 2 to 3 pensions on the taxpayers dime. Teachers in NJ are teaching classes with only 3 students in them because they refuse to consolidate schools. Teachers on the left coast are RAPING taxpayers and have been for years. You don't want to have this conversation with me, now run away and hide.

Please cite the salaries of teachers in NJ vs. comparable salaries in NJ. You could be right, but you should support your statement.

 

[BluesLegend]

Please cite the salaries of teachers in NJ vs. comparable salaries in NJ. You could be right, but you should support your statement.

LMAO have you seen the insane property taxes in NJ? (said with dripping sarcasm) There, statement supported.

 

[Polishprince]

It's high time to end the PUBLIC employee union/elected politician corruption and bilking of taxpayers. The elected politicians are supposed to be representing the taxpayers. Instead they are in cahoots with the public employee unions to screw over the taxpayers. The politicians jack up the taxes, give the money to the unions, who kick back part of the money to the politicians to get re-elected. It's an unholy alliance of corruption.

Exactly, well spoken.

When you are talking about government employee unions and collective bargaining, they really don't negotiate with the people paying the salaries of their rank and file.

They "negotiate" with the politicians that they support in office and finance their campaigns through COPE, PAC's, superpacs, etc. That puts them on the same page as those who they are pretending to negotiate with. And it puts the old lady taxpayers who pay the freight without anyone at the negotiating table.

Nothing really stops politicians from bestowing high salaries on the civil servant class unilaterally, without a union being present. But then they would have to answer to the taxpayers at the polls and not being able to hide behind the lie that the wages were fairly "collectively bargained" and thus beyond their authority to stop.

And also, there would by no kickbacks from the union bosses to finance their reelection campaigns.

Government employee unions are just a money laundering racket.

 

[GMCGeneral]

federal employees can not strike....it should be that way for the lessor govt employees....

You refer to the Federal Hatch Act, the same law that forced Reagan to shitcan the PATCO workers for staging an illegal strike. New York has the Taylor Law and right now, corrections officers are picketing the Elmira and Gowada facilities in clear violation of the Taylor Law.

 

[BluesLegend]

Exactly, well spoken.

When you are talking about government employee unions and collective bargaining, they really don't negotiate with the people paying the salaries of their rank and file.

They "negotiate" with the politicians that they support in office and finance their campaigns through COPE, PAC's, superpacs, etc. That puts them on the same page as those who they are pretending to negotiate with. And it puts the old lady taxpayers who pay the freight without anyone at the negotiating table.

Nothing really stops politicians from bestowing high salaries on the civil servant class unilaterally, without a union being present. But then they would have to answer to the taxpayers at the polls and not being able to hide behind the lie that the wages were fairly "collectively bargained" and thus beyond their authority to stop.

And also, there would by no kickbacks from the union bosses to finance their reelection campaigns.

Government employee unions are just a money laundering racket.

AND teachers constantly LIE! Every damn tax increase is 'do it for the kids', 'for books and computers and building maintenance'. Then as soon as the money is appropriated the teachers union swoops in and scoops all the money into their bank accounts. It doesn't go to all the things they told taxpayers they were increasing the taxes to pay for. DOCUMENTED cases of this, repeatedly.

In my district the corruption is so bad, they changed the tax laws to SCAM taxpayers. It used to be that to increase school taxes required that at least 50% of registered voters vote on it. Well when taxpayers repeatedly refused to approve tax increases or the dozens of 'special' elections they deployed to try to catch taxpayers sleeping at the wheel failed because 50% of voters didn't vote, well they changed the law requiring only 25% of registered voters to vote to approve tax increases. AND when the increase is voted down, they are back in 2 months with yet another 'special' election to try to get the tax increase passed. Again, and again and again until they hit that 25% threshold and sneak it through. It's worth noting that after they changed this law, the amount of tax increases they requested SKYROCKETED, shocker there.

 

[BluesLegend]

And I'm not talking about some teacher in an Iowa corn field, I'm talking about the corrupt teachers in these corrupt Dem blue states who have figured out how to steal money from taxpayers.

Another example, at one point there was 1 'administrator' for every 2 teachers in Oregon. Because so many teachers got sick of teaching kids and wanted a fatter salary do nothing administrator job. That kind of bloated top heavy structure does not exist anywhere outside of corrupt taxpayer funded public education.

 

[Polishprince]

Government unions are also a work around for politicians to get around civil service laws as well as the Hatch Act.

According to civil service rules, employees aren't allowed to donate to politicians' campaigns and politicians aren't allowed to solicit donations from the employees. Its a two-way street.

But union bosses and business agents aren't government employees at all. They can be shaken down for money without a problem, and they get that money from exacting tribute from the paychecks of the teachers and other civil service covered staff.

In other words its all bullshit, just way to get taxpayers money to the politicians legally.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Oh cry me a river over teachers wages holy shit, they have 2nd homes at the shore and drive the most expensive European cars after retiring only working 20 years with fat pensions and free healthcare for life paid for by taxpayers for decades.

I don't know what state you live in.

I work in School System in VA:

• Our average Teacher Salary is $67K, you ain't buying two homes on that.
• I don't see Teachers driving expensive European cars. Most drive Chevy's, Fords, Honda, Subaru, and Toyota.
• I'm in the same pension system as Teachers and to qualify for retirement you have to have 30 years creditable service to retire at age 50 (the youngest you can "retire").
• As I said I'm in the same system as Teachers and will retire this year with 25 years of creditable service (Navy was my first career) and I'll draw about 1/3rd of my current salary as a pension. Teachers are not retiring here after 20 years with a "fat pension".
• There is no healthcare for life paid for by the school system. Retirees at age 65 must enroll in Medicare - they are not eligible for employer sponsored health insurance. Retires under age 65 can stay on our policy but are required to pay the full Health Insurance Premium (Employee + Employer Portions). For employee only that runs a little over $5,000 per year, employee + spouse a little over $10,000 per year. You need employee plus family? That's about $15,000 per year.

Now just go ahead and respond with a flippant insult.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How dare firefighters want a living wage! Those bastards!

Where was your support when teachers were denied collective bargaining in the majority of states?

 

[justoffal]

Utah governor signs collective bargaining ban for teachers, firefighters and police unions

Utah’s Republican governor has signed a collective bargaining ban that experts are calling one of the most restrictive labor laws in the country, despite overwhelming opposition from union members.

apnews.com

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) Utah's Republican governor on Friday signed a collective bargaining ban that experts are calling one of the most restrictive labor laws in the country, despite overwhelming opposition from union members.

Beginning July 1, unions serving Utah teachers, firefighters, police officers, transit workers and other public employees will be banned from negotiating on their behalf for better wages and working conditions.

Gov. Spencer Cox announced his decision Friday evening following a week of rallies outside his office in which thousands of union members from the public and private sector urged him to veto the bill. The Republican-controlled Legislature had narrowly approved it last week after its sponsors abandoned a proposed compromise that would have removed the outright ban.


Government workers don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money.

When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers.

F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.” .... At least one thing I agreed with him on.

I understand where he's coming from but I think he may be violating federal labor laws.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And I'm not talking about some teacher in an Iowa corn field, I'm talking about the corrupt teachers in these corrupt Dem blue states who have figured out how to steal money from taxpayers.

Another example, at one point there was 1 'administrator' for every 2 teachers in Oregon. Because so many teachers got sick of teaching kids and wanted a fatter salary do nothing administrator job. That kind of bloated top heavy structure does not exist anywhere outside of corrupt taxpayer funded public education.

Your school board authorized that. You need to adjust your aim.

 

[Polishprince]

I understand where he's coming from but I think he may be violating federal labor laws.

I don't think state and local government employees are covered by federal labor laws.

 

[Polishprince]

Your school board authorized that. You need to adjust your aim.

You are right of course.

But the school board would just explain that there was nothing they could do, they are also "victims" as the collective bargaining contract with the teachers union requires it.

The existence of collective bargaining for teachers give them the coverage to the voters to do what they wanted to do anyhow.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I don't think state and local government employees are covered by federal labor laws.

Depends, Federal labor laws are large and complex. LGE (Local Government Entities) can be exempt from some, others still apply. It really depends on what you are talking about.

WW

 

[Deadstick]

how does not being able to strike mean the Employer can dish out anything he wants.?.....



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Because striking is the final weapon in the Unions handbook, they could always work to rule but how long before that is taken away.?

 

[The Duke]

Fucked around with what? do you think putting workers rights back to the 19th century a good idea?

Employees that get paid by tax dollars should never have unions.

 

[Deadstick]

Government employees - especially local employees, like police, fire, teachers - have the capacity to directly impact the elections of the people who employ them - city town, county governments and school boards. As such, they have undue power over the elected officials during contract negotiations in that they have the ability to threaten their jobs -- if you do not give us the raises we want, we'll elect someone who will.

For this reason alone, these employees should not be able to unionize.

So they should be at the mercy of the Employer, Unions have been under attack in the UK for decades if not for Union leaders like Mick Lynch they would probably have been banned, that ***** Thatcher started the onslaught, Pinochet was a friend of hers and we know who that bastard dealt with Unions he executed some trade Unionists, watch Mick educate the Media filth.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So they should be at the mercy of the Employer,

Um... who do you think their employer is?

 

[Polishprince]

So they should be at the mercy of the Employer,

The employer of civil servants are the taxpayers, and they have no one at the bargaining table.

 

[Deadstick]

Um... who do you think their employer is?

well as for the railways in the UK it's all been privatized but they still think they are entitled to UK tax payers money to bail them out when they fail, other public services are run by the Government, what your problem? Teachers firefighters nurses and Doctors are not raving revolutionaries and yet for years the Government have been at war with them, go figure.