Utah governor signs collective bargaining ban for teachers, firefighters and police unions

[initforme]

Good for Utah! Those fucking corrupt Police Unions hinder the firings of Officers who should not be on the Force.

Trolling trolling

 

[Polishprince]

The “right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances” protects two distinct rights: assembly and petition.

The right isn't going to be happy until they completely gut the Constitution.

No one has a problem with this at all.

government employees can organize unions all they want, and make whatever petitions they want.

The Utah law is about "collective bargaining" not freedom of association.

BTW, nothing in the law prevents any governor from increasing wages for teachers or anyone else in his line of command, with the approval of the legislature. Its just that they can't do it through collective bargaining

 

[Deadstick]

Governor Cox has a good point. The people the teachers would be striking against to win more money are little old ladies being forced to eat cat food in order to pay the extra taxes they are demanding.

It isn't like the teachers are confronting Henry Clay Frick or someone able to stand up to them.

And what makes it worse for the old ladies is that the governors are often in cahoots with the unions, so both sides of the union negotiations are in agreement that the old ladies need to be fucked over.

It isn't the teachers who are fucking old ladies over if anyone it's the Government.

 

[Deadstick]

P&O is not a .gov entity....They hire and fire at their pleasure.

The history of P&O Ferries, which made 800 workers redundant, explained

The company has said its business isn't 'viable' and that these changes are needed for their survival

inews.co.uk

I never used the Company again they are scum.

 

[Deadstick]

What ametica wants is public employees working for free.

That is the logic of some people, in my working life i never met anyone who turned down a pay rise or better working conditions won by the Union even though some were always slagging off the Unions.

 

[initforme]

That is the logic of some people, in my working life i never met anyone who turned down a pay rise or better working conditions won by the Union even though some were always slagging off the Unions.

The american way right? Please work for less for us.

 

[Deadstick]

No one has a problem with this at all.

government employees can organize unions all they want, and make whatever petitions they want.

The Utah law is about "collective bargaining" not freedom of association.

BTW, nothing in the law prevents any governor from increasing wages for teachers or anyone else in his line of command, with the approval of the legislature. Its just that they can't do it through collective bargaining

Collective bargaining benefits the Employer as well as the workforce, that is unless the Employers have their heads in the 19th century.

 

[Polishprince]

It isn't the teachers who are fucking old ladies over if anyone it's the Government.

Fair enough observation.

But the government makes it seem as if they had no choice to fuck the old ladies, it was just a bargained contract.

 

[Crepitus]

Utah governor signs collective bargaining ban for teachers, firefighters and police unions

Utah’s Republican governor has signed a collective bargaining ban that experts are calling one of the most restrictive labor laws in the country, despite overwhelming opposition from union members.

apnews.com

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) Utah's Republican governor on Friday signed a collective bargaining ban that experts are calling one of the most restrictive labor laws in the country, despite overwhelming opposition from union members.

Beginning July 1, unions serving Utah teachers, firefighters, police officers, transit workers and other public employees will be banned from negotiating on their behalf for better wages and working conditions.

Gov. Spencer Cox announced his decision Friday evening following a week of rallies outside his office in which thousands of union members from the public and private sector urged him to veto the bill. The Republican-controlled Legislature had narrowly approved it last week after its sponsors abandoned a proposed compromise that would have removed the outright ban.


Government workers don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money.

When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers.

F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.” .... At least one thing I agreed with him on.

And now they will leave either the profession or the state.

The governor has just doomed the whole state to mediocrity.

 

[1srelluc]

Trolling trolling

No, he's not wrong.....If you have ever tried dealing with Rikers Island in NY you would understand that at least half of the staff there need to be fired but the union protects them.

 

[Deadstick]

P&O is not a .gov entity....They hire and fire at their pleasure.

The history of P&O Ferries, which made 800 workers redundant, explained

The company has said its business isn't 'viable' and that these changes are needed for their survival

inews.co.uk

Indeed like a 19th century mill owner or a South East Asian sweat shop owner, the civilized World has moved on since then but some assholes didn't get the M.emo

 

[Crepitus]

Problem is some employers have a very bad habit of changing those conditions.

Also not allowing for inflation

 

[1srelluc]

Also not allowing for inflation

We got COLA every year on top of a raise....Well most years we got a raise.

 

[Harry Dresden]

27 states have laws prohibiting collective bargaining/strikes by public employee unions.

Make that 28 now.

federal employees can not strike....it should be that way for the lessor govt employees....

 

[Deadstick]

federal employees can not strike....it should be that way for the lessor govt employees....

Why? in other words the Employer can dish out anything he wants.

 

[Deadstick]

I just realized, you're a foreigner.

That explains volumes

Do you have something against Foreigners?

 

[Deadstick]

No, he's not wrong.....If you have ever tried dealing with Rikers Island in NY you would understand that at least half of the staff there need to be fired but the union protects them.

Some people always know someone else who needs sacking but not them.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why? in other words the Employer can dish out anything he wants.

no they cant....thats why the union is there....

 

[pknopp]

No one has a problem with this at all.

government employees can organize unions all they want, and make whatever petitions they want.

The Utah law is about "collective bargaining" not freedom of association.

BTW, nothing in the law prevents any governor from increasing wages for teachers or anyone else in his line of command, with the approval of the legislature. Its just that they can't do it through collective bargaining

Nothing can stop the teachers from saying "All the same or we walk". No, you can't just replace them all.

 

[Deadstick]

no they cant....thats why the union is there....

That's my point.