USA probably would have won WW2

[regent]

Japan never believed she could win the war, her intentions were to make America pay for territory and eventually make some kind of peace. In the peace Japan would acquire some of the Pacific's natural resources. So assuming we accepted that peace, America could turn her entire attention to Germany. A bigger question, were we willing to pay the price, or would we have made some accomodations with Germany? If we invaded Europe, we would not have Britain as a staging area, so the invasion would likely have to take place in what Churchill called the soft underbelly. There was also the American people, by 1945 they were already tired of the war, and what of Germany, Hitler was a dying man and the German people were tired of war. Nope we would have made some kind of peace with Germany. Except for one thing, the Atomic bomb and the means to deliver it.

 

[rightwinger]

You're right!

Allies found paperwork indicating that Germany set its goal to go after America after it finished dominating Europe including Moscow.

With Japan, we didn't have a choice after Pearl Harbor. It was them or us.

Germany did not have a Navy capable of invading England. They never could have invaded the US

 

[rightwinger]

even if Germany had defeated and occupied Great Britain and theSoviet Union, and Japan had conquered China.

Because we had an unassailable land base, mighty industrial production, huge population - and were angry

It would have resulted in tens of millions of US casualties. The American public never would have tolerated it

 

[tjvh]

even if Germany had defeated and occupied Great Britain and theSoviet Union, and Japan had conquered China.

Because we had an unassailable land base, mighty industrial production, huge population - and were angry

We also had nuclear bombs.

And what a game changer they were.

 

[Peach]

The 3rd Reich didnt have any surface navy to speak of.

USA would have taken care and nuked Japan just like they actualy did -and their forces - first to liberate Britain - and from there -launch a D-d ay, liberate Europe, and the Nazis probably would have given up in Russia.

Am thinking around 1948 or so.

Hitler deemed the US a mongrel nation; had Pearl Harbor not been bombed, the right in the US would NEVER have agreed to war. Their hatred of the president who kept the nation together and brought us out of the Great Depression bordered on insanity. And for the extremists, Germany declared war on the US, we did NOT "invade".

 

[Peach]

You don't know jackshit ginscpy.

Well, ignoring Hitler's fatal mistake (invading the USSR) was just an oversight, I'm sure.

 

[tjvh]

The 3rd Reich didnt have any surface navy to speak of.

USA would have taken care and nuked Japan just like they actualy did -and their forces - first to liberate Britain - and from there -launch a D-d ay, liberate Europe, and the Nazis probably would have given up in Russia.

Am thinking around 1948 or so.

Hitler deemed the US a mongrel nation; had Pearl Harbor not been bombed, the right in the US would NEVER have agreed to war. Their hatred of the president who kept the nation together and brought us out of the Great Depression bordered on insanity. And for the extremists, Germany declared war on the US, we did NOT "invade".

What... Do you have some sort of crystal Ball, or time machine? You would have people believe that you know exactly what would have happened were Pearl Harbor not attacked... Very impressive indeed!

 

[rightwinger]

The 3rd Reich didnt have any surface navy to speak of.

USA would have taken care and nuked Japan just like they actualy did -and their forces - first to liberate Britain - and from there -launch a D-d ay, liberate Europe, and the Nazis probably would have given up in Russia.

Am thinking around 1948 or so.

Hitler deemed the US a mongrel nation; had Pearl Harbor not been bombed, the right in the US would NEVER have agreed to war. Their hatred of the president who kept the nation together and brought us out of the Great Depression bordered on insanity. And for the extremists, Germany declared war on the US, we did NOT "invade".

What... Do you have some sort of crystal Ball, or time machine? You would have people believe that you know exactly what would have happened were Pearl Harbor not attacked... Very impressive indeed!

The right wing fought war preparation right up till Pearl Harbor. If Japan had not attacked, the isolationists would have blocked entering the war

 

[rightwinger]

As it is, the US did most of the fighting in the Pacific and the USSR did most of the fighting in Europe

 

[tjvh]

Hitler deemed the US a mongrel nation; had Pearl Harbor not been bombed, the right in the US would NEVER have agreed to war. Their hatred of the president who kept the nation together and brought us out of the Great Depression bordered on insanity. And for the extremists, Germany declared war on the US, we did NOT "invade".

What... Do you have some sort of crystal Ball, or time machine? You would have people believe that you know exactly what would have happened were Pearl Harbor not attacked... Very impressive indeed!

The right wing fought war preparation right up till Pearl Harbor. If Japan had not attacked, the isolationists would have blocked entering the war

Nobody knows what would have happened if Pearl Harbor wasn't attacked... It's why debate should be based upon facts... Not assumptions.

 

[rightwinger]

What... Do you have some sort of crystal Ball, or time machine? You would have people believe that you know exactly what would have happened were Pearl Harbor not attacked... Very impressive indeed!

The right wing fought war preparation right up till Pearl Harbor. If Japan had not attacked, the isolationists would have blocked entering the war

Nobody knows what would have happened if Pearl Harbor wasn't attacked... It's why debate should be based upon facts... Not assumptions.

Then why are you posting on this thread?

 

[Peach]

even if Germany had defeated and occupied Great Britain and theSoviet Union, and Japan had conquered China.

Because we had an unassailable land base, mighty industrial production, huge population - and were angry

It would have resulted in tens of millions of US casualties. The American public never would have tolerated it

EXACTLY, FDR faces opposition to Lend Lease and even the the war, from the far right. Nor could the US have defeated the Axis without a prolonged war, with three to five times the massive casualties had Britain, the USSR, the Free French, China, and many other nations not been standing with us.