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SecondedThank you for your service.
I am sorry that you had to go through that, but my family, and our Country, sincerely appreciate it.
Thirded...lol.
Seriously, thanks for your service. We all appreciate the sacrifices you made to serve our country. If I was worthy, I'd salute you.
Fred Hampton comes to mindExactly who did the FBI "take out"? I wasn't aware we "disappeared" people here in America.Others saw it for what it was at the time. It's just that mentioning the truth in public was likely to get the COINTELPRO sent to keep tabs on you before the FBi took you out.it's easy to say in HINDSIGHT what was really going on behind the scenes
You can look at conflicts going on today and see the same factors at work. Sometimes it's more evident than others and you do sometimes encounter 'true believers' (as with someof today's jihadist elements), but even then even those movements can ultimately be traced back, directly or indirectly to their roots in class struggle (the ruling class among various groups using religion to secure their hold on power, for instance, gave rise to the Sunni/Shiite divide- and religion continues to be a useful tool for those who use it to control the masses, giving rise to the divides that fuel the current conflicts between Western neochristian and post-Liberal societies, traditional Jews/Zionists, and Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East).
It's debatable how many among the Taliban, for instance, are true believers and how many (especially among the most influential persons) simply recognize the power of religion as a tool of uniting and controlling the masses.
again, pawns of the ruling elite- an old story played out many times in the history of the worldPerhaps. Perhaps I would have been in prison or Canada as a conscientious objector. Perhaps I would have been taken out by the FBI for being associated with groups sympathetic to world democracy.but if you were 18 at the time, you would have been there right next to gadfly.
How, exactly, was suppressing Viet Namese self-determination fighting to give Bran liberty and choice?Seconded
Thirded...lol.
Seriously, thanks for your service. We all appreciate the sacrifices you made to serve our country. If I was worthy, I'd salute you.
Bran,
You ARE worthy; you're an American, you're free; and you don't have to salute anything or anyone(until and unless you put on the uniform yourself). That's what all our wars were fought for, to give you that liberty and choice. It's a gift, freely given; use it well, and wisely.
Seconded
Thirded...lol.
Seriously, thanks for your service. We all appreciate the sacrifices you made to serve our country. If I was worthy, I'd salute you.
Bran,
You ARE worthy; you're an American, you're free; and you don't have to salute anything or anyone(until and unless you put on the uniform yourself). That's what all our wars were fought for, to give you that liberty and choice. It's a gift, freely given; use it well, and wisely.
Newsflash: VietNam is halfway around the globe
Gadfly wasn't defending us from anything, noone was invading- your rhetoric isn't applicable here
Care to try again?
Newsflash: VietNam is halfway around the globe
Gadfly wasn't defending us from anything, noone was invading- your rhetoric isn't applicable here
Care to try again?
I didn't say a damn thing about Vietnam dipshit. I said I appreciate his service. It wouldn't matter if he served in Vietnam or Kosovo, I appreciate him being in the military on the premise of serving his country.
Whether I agree with the reasons we were there in the first place doesn't amount to shit.
So we're down to homophobia and violence.I wish you could tell him your opinions in person so I could watch him beat the queer out of you.
Newsflash: VietNam is halfway around the globe
Gadfly wasn't defending us from anything, noone was invading- your rhetoric isn't applicable here
Care to try again?
I didn't say a damn thing about Vietnam dipshit. I said I appreciate his service. It wouldn't matter if he served in Vietnam or Kosovo, I appreciate him being in the military on the premise of serving his country.
'Serving his country'? How, exactly? The fascist elite is the country? You thanked him for his 'service'- in VietNam suppressing self-determination and attempting to preserve the system in which the peasantry was exploited by a foreign power.Whether I agree with the reasons we were there in the first place doesn't amount to shit.
If you pay taxes then you suppor the "facist elite" correct? You talk about having the lack of nuts to abandon ship to Canada....do you have the balls to not pay your taxes? Because it's funding your "elite."
So you thank Bin Laden for his service to the cause whether you agree with it or not? And the redcoats who tried to prevent American self-determination and preserve colonial rule?
I think Bin Laden fights for what he believes in. It just happens to be the exact opposite of what I believe. Oh, and let's not forget that his obligation is to the radical view of his religion where as a United States soldier's obligation is to the nation...completely different scenarios...your logic holds no water here.
Or are we back to your religion [nationalism] preventing you from being honest with yourself and considering the questions before you?
Religion has nothing to do with it. Men in the military are there to protect your right to be the blathering asshole you are.
Again, not all who were drafted went- some went to Canada or accepted imprisonment. Somewhere along the lines, he decided to go where they sent him, during a time when he likely had a good idea where he'd end up.
I didn't say he was drafted shit stain. What if he was already in the military and was sent over there? You ever think of that shit-for-brains? What if he went for the brothers he trained with? What if he went to support and help fight with them? Rather than abandon them when they needed him most?
That he refuses to defend that decision shows the he knows he was wrong in what he did. That he can't defend that decision even on pragmatic grounds (eg: 'I didn't want to be labeled a criminal'), let alone state why he felt/feels he was right to take part in that conflict on the side of the imperialists speaks volumes about what he really believes and knows to be true, even if he can't admit it to himself.
So we're down to homophobia and violence.I wish you could tell him your opinions in person so I could watch him beat the queer out of you.
Why do people always resort to violence when they're unable to defend their religion and too cowardly to be honest with themselves and consider what they believe and why?
The problem with most wars is that "old men in suits," sitting in Washington, put the lives of young people at risk for causes that can't be won and/or aren't worth dying for.
After WW2, most Americans in Vietnam actually disliked the French far more than Ho Chi Minh. American support of the French return to Vietnam was a political "trade-off" - the US needed France's support against the Soviets during the Cold War.
Ho Chi Minh may have been a communist, but he was first and foremost a Vietnamese nationalist. Ho's biggest concern was never the Americans, but with Vietnam's traditional enemy - China!
Like Iraq, American politicians never really understood the complexity of the situation on Vietnam and as a result they sent alot of brave, young, well-intentioned US men and women to their deaths.
After Vietnam, America's military leadership swore that it would never allow itself to be put in that kind of a situation again, but the civilians in the Bush Administration refused to listen!
Somali has no Government. There is no way to bring pressure on a non existent Government to stop the pirates. Leaving just two other options. One option would be to sink any unidentified ships in the region on sight. That of course has many draw backs to it. But would eventually deprive the Somali pirates of the larger craft they need to get into some of the shipping lanes.The second option would be to deploy troops onto the coast of Somali seizing all ports and small villages, burning all shipping and destroying all port facilities of any size. This also has many draw backs. Either way problem solved.
The only solution is for the Europeans and Chinese, who combined to destroy the Somalian' entire way of life - fishing - to send them billions and rebuild the country. Until the Somalians have some way of feeding themselves/making a living as they did for thousands of years - by fishing in their coastal waters, they will have no options but to strike out.
If someone dumped nuclear fucking waste in my waters after completely taking all of the fish, you'd better damn well believe I'd be rather hostile.
Is that just another wild unsubstantiated claim or do have any actual Evidence that someone dumped Nuclear waste off the coast of Somalia?
THE huge waves which battered northern Somalia after the tsunami in December are believed to have stirred up tonnes of nuclear and toxic waste illegally dumped in the war-racked country during the early 1990s.
Apart from killing about 300 people and destroying thousands of homes, the waves broke up rusting barrels and other containers and hazardous waste dumped along the long, remote shoreline, a spokesman for the United Nations Environment Programme (Unep) said.
Initial reports indicate that the tsunami waves broke open containers full of toxic waste and scattered the contents. We are talking about everything from medical waste to chemical waste products, Nick Nuttal, the Unep spokesman, told The Times.
We know this material is on the land and is now being blown around and possibly carried to villages. What we do not know is the full extent of the problem.
Mr Nuttall said that a UN assessment mission that recently returned from the lawless African country, which has had no government since 1991, reported that several Somalis in the northern areas were ill with diseases consistent with radiation sickness. We need more information. We need to find out what has been going on there, but there is real cause for concern, he added. We now need to urgently send in a multi-agency expert mission, led by Unep, for a full investigation.
Perhaps. Perhaps I would have been in prison or Canada as a conscientious objector. Perhaps I would have been taken out by the FBI for being associated with groups sympathetic to world democracy.
What, exactly, are you thanking him for?
where did i imply that nothing should be done mini14....i didnt....
i said..that the ships need to defend themselves...i posted a link to a security company that specializes in defending ships....
not once did i say that the problem should be ignored....i simply dont think the us is policeman to the world...
naive or realistic?
and i see sgt still doesnt answer....how many ships have they sank?
you made the statement ......apparently one out of ignorance
